8:17 p.m.
Just a note that Fedora is listed on Dell's Linux Survey[1] as an option
for a potential OS to be preinstalled on future Dell hardware. I
encourage people to vote by March 23rd. Hopefully there will be a high
number of votes for Fedora and/or RHEL depending on what people think is
the better choice for Dell to ship. Getting support from a big name
hardware vendor for Fedora or even a Fedora-based distribution such as
RHEL would be really cool for Fedora.
Feel free to forward this on to others.
[1] http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey
2:37 a.m.
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From: "Christopher Aillon" <caillon(a)redhat.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Dell Linux Survey has Fedora as an option
Just a note that Fedora is listed on Dell's Linux Survey[1] as an
option
for a potential OS to be preinstalled on future Dell hardware. I
encourage people to vote by March 23rd. Hopefully there will be a high
number of votes for Fedora and/or RHEL depending on what people think is
the better choice for Dell to ship. Getting support from a big name
hardware vendor for Fedora or even a Fedora-based distribution such as
RHEL would be really cool for Fedora.
Feel free to forward this on to others.
[1] http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey
Reading the comments from the posts below is a bit disheartening.
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/03/13/7985.aspx#comments
It seems that a lot of people's perception of Fedora is that of an unstable
server centred OS which to me seems contradictory to what it is.
We have a lot of work to do.
Regards,
Marc
3:53 a.m.
Indeed, tiresome to see all the fanboys trying to impose what they feel
is "the best thing" as the standard for the yet-to-see Dell preloaded
Linux distro.
Sure, Fedora had and continues to have (minor) bugs, just like any
distro, but I can't help thinking that much of the anti-Fedora prejudice
is pure hearsay. Have the Fedora-bashers ever used it?
In the end, to a lot of people it doesn't matter what Dell preloads
because they will install their own favourite distribution instead. Yet
much is, theoretically, at stake here. If people, especially those new
to Linux, try it out and buy such a Dell machine, and they like what
they see, they won't uninstall it.
Anyway, we all know it will be either Suse or Ubuntu, unless Red Hat is
going to subsidise Dell a little, which I don't think is their business
model. (?)
If Dell preloads Ubuntu, it will be blob time soon. What has the
Linux/FOSS world gained then?
herman
Op wo, 14-03-2007 te 16:37 +0900, schreef Marc Wiriadisastra:
>
Reading the comments from the posts below is a bit disheartening.
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/03/13/7985.aspx#comments
It seems that a lot of people's perception of Fedora is that of an unstable
server centred OS which to me seems contradictory to what it is.
We have a lot of work to do.
Regards,
Marc
5:04 a.m.
hymno3 wrote:
Indeed, tiresome to see all the fanboys trying to impose what they
feel
is "the best thing" as the standard for the yet-to-see Dell preloaded
Linux distro.
The nature of the survey almost guarantees that. It's very interesting
to see Fedora as one of the three choices which is based on the earlier
ideastorm user requests. Regardless of some of the comments Fedora
remains very much relevant to a lot of folks.
In the end, to a lot of people it doesn't matter what Dell
preloads
because they will install their own favourite distribution instead. Yet
much is, theoretically, at stake here. If people, especially those new
to Linux, try it out and buy such a Dell machine, and they like what
they see, they won't uninstall it.
Yes and perhaps more importantly if Fedora happens to be preloaded you
can move over to anything you want without being struck on binary blobs.
Anyway, we all know it will be either Suse or Ubuntu, unless Red Hat
is
going to subsidise Dell a little, which I don't think is their business
model. (?)
If you are talking about Fedora then subsidising on a Free software
distribution doesn't make much sense. For OEM systems all vendors are
willing to cut down rates to get better volumes.
Rahul
2:14 p.m.
2007/3/14, hymno3 <crazymulgogi(a)gmail.com>:
Indeed, tiresome to see all the fanboys trying to impose what they
feel
is "the best thing" as the standard for the yet-to-see Dell preloaded
Linux distro.
It is rather disheartening. Linux distributions are (mostly)
cooperating with each other, but some of the users are definitely
doing each other more harm than taking away from Microsoft.
Sure, Fedora had and continues to have (minor) bugs, just like any
distro, but I can't help thinking that much of the anti-Fedora prejudice
is pure hearsay. Have the Fedora-bashers ever used it?
Most of them, probably not. There's the fantasyland of Red Hat being
the next Microsoft (this dates back to even before RHEL's launch).
In the end, to a lot of people it doesn't matter what Dell
preloads
because they will install their own favourite distribution instead. Yet
much is, theoretically, at stake here. If people, especially those new
to Linux, try it out and buy such a Dell machine, and they like what
they see, they won't uninstall it.
Anyway, we all know it will be either Suse or Ubuntu, unless Red Hat is
going to subsidise Dell a little, which I don't think is their business
model. (?)
If Dell preloads Ubuntu, it will be blob time soon. What has the
Linux/FOSS world gained then?
I commented on the blog, advocating that making Linux drivers
available is more important than what distribution is shipped by
default. Considering Dell just switched their supported Linux
configuration to SLES/D, I do agree with you that they'd probably go
with either SuSE or Ubuntu .. hopefully, if it's the former it's
openSUSE (no silly Microsoft extortion money), and if it's the latter,
we'll still get free drivers.
Dell's computers can normally be configured to use components with
free drivers (e.g. for wireless, you can choose between Dell Wireless
and Intel 3945 -- the latter is *almost* free; for graphics you can
choose b/w Intel and nVidia), so the only two things we need is
1) Linux certification: the hardware works without non-FOSS drivers
2) BIOS updates, etc. are released in a way that they can be applied
without Windows onboard
I made these points on the blog; please add anything else you could think of.
--
Michel Salim
http://hircus.wordpress.com/
4:40 p.m.
Le mercredi 14 mars 2007 à 15:14 -0400, Michel Salim a écrit :
2007/3/14, hymno3 <crazymulgogi(a)gmail.com>:
> Indeed, tiresome to see all the fanboys trying to impose what they feel
> is "the best thing" as the standard for the yet-to-see Dell preloaded
> Linux distro.
>
It is rather disheartening. Linux distributions are (mostly)
cooperating with each other, but some of the users are definitely
doing each other more harm than taking away from Microsoft.
> Sure, Fedora had and continues to have (minor) bugs, just like any
> distro, but I can't help thinking that much of the anti-Fedora prejudice
> is pure hearsay. Have the Fedora-bashers ever used it?
>
Most of them, probably not. There's the fantasyland of Red Hat being
the next Microsoft (this dates back to even before RHEL's launch).
Actually, it's funny
Whatever the hiped distro of the year is, it attracts new users that
defend it with the faith of new converts. Used to be Mandriva, then
Gentoo and now Ubuntu. They all settle down after a while, and don't
need Fedora-bashing to assert themselves.
Witness the very tame messages of this year's Gentooers/Mandrivers.
--
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