8:40 p.m.
When did I say, we have to include close source software with Fedora? I
didn´t say it. All I just wish, easiest way of the solutions of this issues.
So more people will start using Fedora.
I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core. Everything is easy
for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to Linux, can
you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu? In Ubuntu he
can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily install all kind of
multimedia software, he can easily install nvidia/ati driver. He can do this
thing graphically, and anyone can easily do it. But in case of Fedora, he
need to googleing to install close source software, as well as, codecs and
other drivers. Now tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as
Ubuntu is also an Open Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of
free and freedom? Nop. Ubuntu is also free. They also don´t include close
source software, but it´s very easier to enable close source. Now, if there
is some other reason (please explain, i dont know) you can say, why they
should use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, then I´ll say, users doesn´t care about
those reasons at all. Prove is, Ubuntu is now most popular Linux OS.
Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies for
opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I´ll change my strategy to
promoting Fedora (I´ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try Fedora,
not a new user).
At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did I open this
thread? I am giving the answer, it´s so simple, because I love Fedora, I
want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I want to see,
other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours impression is, I want to
break Fedora´s goal. Please, open your mind. Try to understand. I have my
study, I have my work. I don´t have any reasons to arguing with you.
--
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Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel
Fedora -- Freedom² and rapid innovation
1:58 a.m.
New subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect?
1st Apologies for cross post. (aaagh, Top-Post)
Can we centralise all future-replies be kept to Ambassadors-List.
Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote:
When did I say, we have to include close source software with Fedora?
I
didn´t say it. All I just wish, easiest way of the solutions of this
issues. So more people will start using Fedora.
1:
Not closed-source, but patented.
There is a fundamental difference between:
O.S.S. and F.O.S.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software#Open_source_software_vs...
I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core. Everything is
easy for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to
Linux, can you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu?
In Ubuntu he can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily
install all kind of multimedia software, he can easily install
nvidia/ati driver. He can do this thing graphically, and anyone can
easily do it. But in case of Fedora, he need to googleing to install
close source software, as well as, codecs and other drivers. Now tell
me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu is also an Open
Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of free and freedom?
Nop. Ubuntu is also free.
2:
Refer:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg...
They also don´t include close source software,
but it´s very easier to enable close source. Now, if there is some
other
reason (please explain, i dont know) you can say, why they should use
Fedora instead of Ubuntu, then I´ll say, users doesn´t care about those
reasons at all. Prove is, Ubuntu is now most popular Linux OS.
3: refer 1:
Most EU citizens will use Ubuntu, not so much because it's easier to
use, but imho because it's EU based.
Google the amount of complaints re. the latest Ubuntu release.
Particularly wireless.
http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2008-November/100179.html
Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies
for
opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I´ll change my strategy to
promoting Fedora (I´ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try
Fedora, not a new user).
Fedora is for All Users, and like anything.
It takes getting used to, that is where the Ambassador comes in,
with a printed list of where to get help.
At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did I open
this thread? I am giving the answer, it´s so simple, because I love
Fedora, I want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I
want to see, other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours
impression is, I want to break Fedora´s goal. Please, open your mind.
Try to understand. I have my study, I have my work. I don´t have any
reasons to arguing with you.
I fully understand your love for Fedora it can be seen.
I too in school, have given Fedora 10 media to students.
They in many cases have never heard of Linux.
But one of the five, that got media is now dual-booting with Vista.
My tutor is now using FEL, and another tutor is interested.
These have been breastfed on Proprietary O.S.
Frank
2:50 a.m.
New subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect?
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)fedoraproject.org>wrote:
Not closed-source, but patented.
There is a fundamental difference between:
O.S.S. and F.O.S.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software#Open_source_software_vs...
I apologies for the mistake. I meant patented software here.
3: refer 1:
Most EU citizens will use Ubuntu, not so much because it's easier to
use, but imho because it's EU based.
Google the amount of complaints re. the latest Ubuntu release.
Particularly wireless.
http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2008-November/100179.html
Nop. People are using Ubuntu from all over the world. And that´s why Ubuntu
is most popular.
> Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies for
> opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I´ll change my strategy to
> promoting Fedora (I´ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try
> Fedora, not a new user).
Fedora is for All Users, and like anything.
It takes getting used to, that is where the Ambassador comes in,
with a printed list of where to get help.
Yes. Ofcourse Ambassadors are helping users. But just think, Ubuntu (October
20, 2004) is a new distro then Fedora. But it already passed everyone by in
users and also popularity.
> At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did
I open
> this thread? I am giving the answer, it´s so simple, because I love
> Fedora, I want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I
> want to see, other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours
> impression is, I want to break Fedora´s goal. Please, open your mind.
> Try to understand. I have my study, I have my work. I don´t have any
> reasons to arguing with you.
>
I fully understand your love for Fedora it can be seen.
I too in school, have given Fedora 10 media to students.
They in many cases have never heard of Linux.
But one of the five, that got media is now dual-booting with Vista.
My tutor is now using FEL, and another tutor is interested.
These have been breastfed on Proprietary O.S.
My whole family is using Fedora now. Also my many friends. About 15 days
ago, I have distributed 100 free Fedora DVD (
http://angel.linux.org.bd/2009/01/22/fedora-infinity-day-2009/) here in
Bangladesh.
> I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core.
Everything is
> easy for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to
> Linux, can you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu?
> In Ubuntu he can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily
> install all kind of multimedia software, he can easily install
> nvidia/ati driver. He can do this thing graphically, and anyone can
> easily do it. But in case of Fedora, he need to googleing to install
> close source software, as well as, codecs and other drivers. Now tell
> me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu is also an Open
> Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of free and freedom?
> Nop. Ubuntu is also free.
2:
Refer:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg...
Fedora = USA Based. (patented Software inforce), this law can stop USA
people (also other country who are following USA) to use Ubuntu, you can
tell them to use Fedora. But not the whole world.
And why you are bothering about patented software? I didnt tell Fedora must
need to include patented software. *I just said, we need a easiest solution
(i meant a GUI, so anyone can do it). What´s the problem, if developer can
get a GUI solution of it?* Why you all are yelling about this? By making it
easy we are not encouraging people to use petented software. If you think
this is, then listen, you can´t push people to use Fedora. Give this
feature, then people will come to try it. But now people are scaring to try
it. So which one is better for promoting Fedora?
--
Angel
GPG key: 0x34001F46
Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance
Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel
Fedora -- Freedom² and rapid innovation
1:35 p.m.
New subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect?
2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel <angel(a)linux.org.bd>:
Nop. People are using Ubuntu from all over the world. And that´s why
Ubuntu
is most popular.
Fedora is used all over the world!
http://fedoraproject.org/maps/f10/f10.i386.png
That is a snapshot of of unique ips that requested a mirror list from
our MirrorManager system in the last day.
Europe is MORE densely populated per km^2 with Fedora installs than
is the US Coasts. Fedora is not a US-only userbase. And thanks to our
mirrormanager stuff, we can actually visually that. In fact we soon
I'll be able to visualize where we are growing the fastest...I have
the pieces in place now.
If you want the longer view as to Fedora's popularity than you can read this:
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3786726/Red+Hat+Fedora+C...
9.5 million! And we have an actually methodology that backs up the
numbers we release to the press!
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics
I dare you to find anyone who can will go on record as to how
Canonical comes up with its Ubuntu install numbers. I DARE YOU.
Canonical reps have yet to go on record anywhere with the methodology
of how they come up with the numbers they quote to the press.
And for the record Canonical has stated the exact same install numbers
for 3+ years now. 3+ years with absolutely no estimated growth..that
is what Canonical is saying. If you want to trust those numbers,
that's your business. But if you are going to talk about it here. I
demand that you dig up the methodology as to how they are counting.
Because we do everything we can to be transparent about it.... because
we care about accuracy and not about hype.
-jef
1:42 p.m.
New subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect?
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Jeff Spaleta <jspaleta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel <angel(a)linux.org.bd>:
> Nop. People are using Ubuntu from all over the world. And that´s why
Ubuntu
> is most popular.
Fedora is used all over the world!
http://fedoraproject.org/maps/f10/f10.i386.png
That is a snapshot of of unique ips that requested a mirror list from
our MirrorManager system in the last day.
Europe is MORE densely populated per km^2 with Fedora installs than
is the US Coasts. Fedora is not a US-only userbase. And thanks to our
mirrormanager stuff, we can actually visually that. In fact we soon
I'll be able to visualize where we are growing the fastest...I have
the pieces in place now.
If you want the longer view as to Fedora's popularity than you can read
this:
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3786726/Red+Hat+Fedora+C...
9.5 million! And we have an actually methodology that backs up the
numbers we release to the press!
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics
I dare you to find anyone who can will go on record as to how
Canonical comes up with its Ubuntu install numbers. I DARE YOU.
Canonical reps have yet to go on record anywhere with the methodology
of how they come up with the numbers they quote to the press.
And for the record Canonical has stated the exact same install numbers
for 3+ years now. 3+ years with absolutely no estimated growth..that
is what Canonical is saying. If you want to trust those numbers,
that's your business. But if you are going to talk about it here. I
demand that you dig up the methodology as to how they are counting.
Because we do everything we can to be transparent about it.... because
we care about accuracy and not about hype.
-jef
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Thanks. After a long time, I have got some good news from you. And positive.
Again thanks.
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