4:05 p.m.
Folks,
As Fedora continues to become more and more real, it's clearly time to
figure out what role the Fedora marketing team needs to play. There will,
of course, be some issues to be negotiated around what the Fedora
marketing team can and cannot do based on Red Hat policy -- but:
a. There's plenty of things that a Fedora marketing team *can* do, now;
b. Fedora marketing should be pushing Red Hat to help define those limits.
So. Since Colin Charles is the owner of this list and one of its
originators, I've asked him to start putting together the pieces, to make
Fedora marketing its own project.
Good luck, Colin. Take us to the promised land. :)
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9:44 a.m.
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 17:05 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
As Fedora continues to become more and more real, it's clearly
time to
figure out what role the Fedora marketing team needs to play. There will,
of course, be some issues to be negotiated around what the Fedora
marketing team can and cannot do based on Red Hat policy -- but:
a. There's plenty of things that a Fedora marketing team *can* do, now;
b. Fedora marketing should be pushing Red Hat to help define those limits.
I'd like to offer my help. I certainly don't have a good feel for the
total scope of what Fedora marketing should be doing. However, I was
thinking recently about gathering up information on:
* What Fedora is
* When Fedora is appropriate as opposed to RHEL
* How can someone get involved with the project:
As someone using Fedora (user, admin, programmer)
As someone packaging their software for Fedora
As someone who has other skills to offer (writer, marketer, etc.)
By putting this together in the form of a presentation, I was thinking
that it would help us all sing from the same sheet music (so to speak).
Also, busy people wouldn't have to start from scratch if they just
wanted to give a talk on Fedora to the local LUG.
I also think that it's possible to have a story about what Fedora is
that is respectful of Red Hat Inc. and Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Clarity
will help everyone, I believe. Thoughts?
-- Chris Negus
2:19 a.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 09:44 -0500, Chris Negus wrote:
I'd like to offer my help.
Hi Chris! Help is always welcome.
I certainly don't have a good feel for the
total scope of what Fedora marketing should be doing.
I don't really think any of us do, we're making it up as we go along.
It's fun!
However, I was
thinking recently about gathering up information on:
* What Fedora is
* When Fedora is appropriate as opposed to RHEL
* How can someone get involved with the project:
As someone using Fedora (user, admin, programmer)
As someone packaging their software for Fedora
As someone who has other skills to offer (writer, marketer, etc.)
By putting this together in the form of a presentation, I was thinking
that it would help us all sing from the same sheet music (so to
speak).
Also, busy people wouldn't have to start from scratch if they just
wanted to give a talk on Fedora to the local LUG.
This would be totally awesome! A pre-built media pack if you will,
sanctioned by Red Hat folks and Fedora community as well. I think this
would be very very nifty!
I also think that it's possible to have a story about what Fedora
is
that is respectful of Red Hat Inc. and Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
Clarity
will help everyone, I believe. Thoughts?
Please let us know what you would need in order to get started on this.
Even though I'm not with Red Hat, I'm almost positive that this word
would not go unused or unnoticed.
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3:25 p.m.
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 17:05 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
Folks,
As Fedora continues to become more and more real, it's clearly time to
figure out what role the Fedora marketing team needs to play. There will,
of course, be some issues to be negotiated around what the Fedora
marketing team can and cannot do based on Red Hat policy -- but:
a. There's plenty of things that a Fedora marketing team *can* do, now;
b. Fedora marketing should be pushing Red Hat to help define those limits.
Hey,
First of all I would like to say that it has been a great pleasure
working with Colin over the past few months, and I know that his strong
vision and leadership will help make the most out of the marketing
project.
The one suggestion I have right now is, and I've spoken to the RH
videographer about this, perhaps the time has come to make a Fedora
Project video, similar to the videos Red Hat has up on the site now
about a variety of topics, such as truth happens. The suggestion
actually came from the videographer, and he stated that although Fedora
is crucial to RH, not too much open marketing like that is done. I
don't think it would hurt, especially given the new videography intern
to try and get something like this done. Anyone agree?
Jack
6:29 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 16:25 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote:
The one suggestion I have right now is, and I've spoken to the
RH
videographer about this, perhaps the time has come to make a Fedora
Project video, similar to the videos Red Hat has up on the site now
about a variety of topics, such as truth happens. The suggestion
actually came from the videographer, and he stated that although Fedora
is crucial to RH, not too much open marketing like that is done. I
don't think it would hurt, especially given the new videography intern
to try and get something like this done. Anyone agree?
As a person who has seen what these videographers can do when allowed to
get creative, I say, let them go to it!
Open marketing. Hmm. I wonder what that really means?
- Karsten
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1:56 a.m.
Hi
As a person who has seen what these videographers can do when allowed
to
get creative, I say, let them go to it!
Open marketing. Hmm. I wonder what that really means?
- Karsten
Probably means a open mailing list such as this one rather than behind
the scenes work to promote a project. Red Hat traditionally has been
more of a doer than a talker but I think its time we talked loudly now ;-)
regards
Rahul
2:26 a.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 16:25 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote:
I
don't think it would hurt, especially given the new videography intern
to try and get something like this done. Anyone agree?
I agree. Perhaps also some footage of the possible up coming FUDConIII
would be cool. Maybe almost a docufilm on the planning and prepping
going into it, and the mad rush the day OF it getting everything going.
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2:28 p.m.
On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 00:26 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> I
> don't think it would hurt, especially given the new videography
intern
> to try and get something like this done. Anyone agree?
I agree. Perhaps also some footage of the possible up coming
FUDConIII
would be cool. Maybe almost a docufilm on the planning and prepping
going into it, and the mad rush the day OF it getting everything
going.
Yes, as long as it doesn't have to be spot, jack, or me ;-)
That aside, I think we should make sure that *all* FUDCon's are
recorded. Even if they're not pressed to DVD, they ought to be available
on the torrent tracker, as per FUDCon I
CC'ing Alex, to make sure that FUDCon II gets recorded well
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12:41 a.m.
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 05:28 +1000, Colin Charles wrote:
Yes, as long as it doesn't have to be spot, jack, or me ;-)
Well thats just the thing. You guys are some of the core people getting
it done, and it would be rather interesting to have a camera somewhat
following you around the day or two leading up to the Con, and during
the Con itself. If I was able to have a more active role in pulling it
off, I would have no problem being filmed while doing it.
That aside, I think we should make sure that *all* FUDCon's are
recorded. Even if they're not pressed to DVD, they ought to be
available
on the torrent tracker, as per FUDCon I
CC'ing Alex, to make sure that FUDCon II gets recorded well
Right, sessions at least need to be filmed, but I'd like to see more
footage of the signups, the common areas, random attendee statements and
all kinds of other stuff like that.
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2:31 a.m.
On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 22:41 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> CC'ing Alex, to make sure that FUDCon II gets recorded well
Right, sessions at least need to be filmed, but I'd like to see more
footage of the signups, the common areas, random attendee statements
and
all kinds of other stuff like that.
Noted. Something like what Greg did for red hat magazine. We'll get to
this, I'm sure
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2:53 p.m.
On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 22:41 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 05:28 +1000, Colin Charles wrote:
> Yes, as long as it doesn't have to be spot, jack, or me ;-)
Well thats just the thing. You guys are some of the core people getting
it done, and it would be rather interesting to have a camera somewhat
following you around the day or two leading up to the Con, and during
the Con itself. If I was able to have a more active role in pulling it
off, I would have no problem being filmed while doing it.
I would be willing to work on it if you are willing to send me to
germany. Here's an idea, theres a new intern for videography, maybe him
and I can go there and do a little docufilm? Especially now that the
foundation is forthcoming, we seriously need to ramp up our promotion
and mindshare strategies.
Jack
5:36 p.m.
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 15:53 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote:
> > Yes, as long as it doesn't have to be spot, jack, or me
;-)
>
> Well thats just the thing. You guys are some of the core people
getting
> it done, and it would be rather interesting to have a camera
somewhat
> following you around the day or two leading up to the Con, and
during
> the Con itself. If I was able to have a more active role in pulling
it
> off, I would have no problem being filmed while doing it.
>
I would be willing to work on it if you are willing to send me to
germany. Here's an idea, theres a new intern for videography, maybe
him
and I can go there and do a little docufilm? Especially now that the
foundation is forthcoming, we seriously need to ramp up our promotion
and mindshare strategies.
Okay, you know I'd send you there if I controlled $budget. I don't. But
I do know there's a little money available for you to get there (if the
RH sponsored seats are still available)
Now, maybe we just send the videography intern over, and get someone
like Alex to look after him and point him in the right direction? That
can save us cost, and well, you can continue on with your internship :P
Greg, do you know this videographer? Can you send him to FUDCon II? Of
course, if you say yes, we shall draw up plans for him (and let his
creative juices run wild, as well)... If you say no, we can still draw
up plans for future FUDCon's
FWIW, Red Hat / FUDCon organisers *need* to have DV Cams lying
around/available for use. Really. And that's only the start of the
problem. Disk space, beefy machines, do you want to broadcast, etc. all
come into play. Last time we had Pogo give us machines... Jesse has
since left, and next time we ain't going to be so lucky
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7:47 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 15:36 -0700, Colin Charles wrote:
FWIW, Red Hat / FUDCon organisers *need* to have DV Cams lying
around/available for use. Really. And that's only the start of the
problem. Disk space, beefy machines, do you want to broadcast, etc. all
come into play. Last time we had Pogo give us machines... Jesse has
since left, and next time we ain't going to be so lucky
I'll expense one. j/k ;-O
As for hardware sponsorship, Penguin Computing is local(ish) and their
default preload right now is FC3.
I don't personally know if I know anyone there, but we can always knock
on the door.
What do these machines do?
If we want to 'netcast, there is plenty of expertise in the Bay Area.
The key is finding someone who will sponsor for a banner on the FUDCon
page.
/me notes fudcon.org and fudcon.com got snagged on 13 Jan of this year
However, I am now the proud owner of FUDCon.net and will donate it to
the Fedora Foundation hopefully at FUDCon3 this year. And hopefully it
will have better hosting by then. :)
- Karsten
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9:06 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 17:47 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 15:36 -0700, Colin Charles wrote:
> FWIW, Red Hat / FUDCon organisers *need* to have DV Cams lying
> around/available for use. Really. And that's only the start of the
> problem. Disk space, beefy machines, do you want to broadcast, etc. all
> come into play. Last time we had Pogo give us machines... Jesse has
> since left, and next time we ain't going to be so lucky
I'll expense one. j/k ;-O
As for hardware sponsorship, Penguin Computing is local(ish) and their
default preload right now is FC3.
I don't personally know if I know anyone there, but we can always knock
on the door.
Emil Hsieh is someone I know and he approached me a while back about
what duke knows/does about fedora. If you want to talk to me and I can
talk to him or we can talk together, let me know.
-sv
9:04 a.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 17:47 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
As for hardware sponsorship, Penguin Computing is local(ish) and
their
default preload right now is FC3.
Okay.
What do these machines do?
If we want to 'netcast, there is plenty of expertise in the Bay Area.
The key is finding someone who will sponsor for a banner on the FUDCon
page.
Netcast, using gstreamer/fluendo stuff. Big disks, to record it on disk.
Save for later editing... and voila! fun fun later
/me notes fudcon.org and fudcon.com got snagged on 13 Jan of this
year
We know this. They even e-mailed me to ask me if I wanted to *buy* it.
Tha gall. We're just using google juice to point to us. And yes, we had
a discussion about this
However, I am now the proud owner of FUDCon.net and will donate it
to
the Fedora Foundation hopefully at FUDCon3 this year. And hopefully it
will have better hosting by then. :)
Right, nice. Please get in touch with seth to get this setup if need
be.
Seth, we can point it to /srv/web/docroot/fudcon/ on fp.o
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5:25 p.m.
> However, I am now the proud owner of FUDCon.net and will donate
it to
> the Fedora Foundation hopefully at FUDCon3 this year. And hopefully it
> will have better hosting by then. :)
Right, nice. Please get in touch with seth to get this setup if need
be.
Seth, we can point it to /srv/web/docroot/fudcon/ on fp.o
1. http://fudcon.fedoraproject.org now exists which points to the above
dir
2. fudcon.net - just make a cname for www.fudcon.net and fudcon.net to
point to fedora.linux.duke.edu and I can set up the vhost to do all the
same, above.
-sv
4:47 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 17:47 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
As for hardware sponsorship, Penguin Computing is local(ish) and
their
default preload right now is FC3.
I don't personally know if I know anyone there, but we can always knock
on the door.
I do. I know Sam Ockman, one of the founders, I can always ask him.
Also despite Jesse leaving, we have forged a good relationship with pogo
and should and will continue to work with them. They are good guys and
always like to help, Jesse or not.
If we want to 'netcast, there is plenty of expertise in the Bay
Area.
The key is finding someone who will sponsor for a banner on the FUDCon
page.
We have already had tremendous success using flumotion from fluendo whom
Thomas Van Der Stichele works for. It is great to use and also does
everything natively in ogg/theora which is a huge plus.
/me notes fudcon.org and fudcon.com got snagged on 13 Jan of this
year
We know. They asked us if we wanted to sign an agreement to get it from
them, part of some open domain thing. We declined due to RH Legal's
dislike of the idea which looks like was the right thing. For now I
suggest we continue to use fudcon.fp.o and do the same when the
foundation is up and running. Although, at that point, we might need to
change the fudcon name.
JAck
12:44 a.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 15:36 -0700, Colin Charles wrote:
FWIW, Red Hat / FUDCon organisers *need* to have DV Cams lying
around/available for use. Really. And that's only the start of the
problem. Disk space, beefy machines, do you want to broadcast, etc.
all
come into play. Last time we had Pogo give us machines... Jesse has
since left, and next time we ain't going to be so lucky
Just because I left doesn't mean I don't still have a good relationship
with the company. The company founders continue to ask me how they can
be more involved in the community. While I was there, I told them by
sending me out as a representative of the company to participate in
things like FUDCon and whatnot. They still have an interest, especially
if these FUDCons become more documented and followed. Having Pogo Linux
as a corporate sponsor along with Red Hat would be pretty good return on
the loan of a PC or two.
I can still approach Pogo about lending systems, OR to give us a great
price break on some used equipment that could easily become permanent
Fedora Marketing Systems for use in such things as FUDCons and whatever
other show a volunteer might want to promote Fedora at.
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3:10 a.m.
HI
Just because I left doesn't mean I don't still have a good
relationship
with the company. The company founders continue to ask me how they can
be more involved in the community. While I was there, I told them by
sending me out as a representative of the company to participate in
things like FUDCon and whatnot. They still have an interest, especially
if these FUDCons become more documented and followed. Having Pogo Linux
as a corporate sponsor along with Red Hat would be pretty good return on
the loan of a PC or two.
very interesting. Bringing in more organisations involved with Fedora
would definiltey be mutually beneficial
regards
Rahul
9:05 a.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 22:44 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
Just because I left doesn't mean I don't still have a good
relationship
with the company. The company founders continue to ask me how they can
be more involved in the community. While I was there, I told them by
sending me out as a representative of the company to participate in
things like FUDCon and whatnot. They still have an interest, especially
if these FUDCons become more documented and followed. Having Pogo Linux
as a corporate sponsor along with Red Hat would be pretty good return on
the loan of a PC or two.
Cool Jesse
I can still approach Pogo about lending systems, OR to give us a
great
price break on some used equipment that could easily become permanent
Fedora Marketing Systems for use in such things as FUDCons and whatever
other show a volunteer might want to promote Fedora at.
Err, then we have the problem of where to store the stuff. And comes a
budget again for expensive UPS/Fedex...
We need to discuss this. TODO list
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8:27 a.m.
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 17:05 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
As Fedora continues to become more and more real, it's clearly
time to
figure out what role the Fedora marketing team needs to play. There will,
of course, be some issues to be negotiated around what the Fedora
marketing team can and cannot do based on Red Hat policy -- but:
a. There's plenty of things that a Fedora marketing team *can* do, now;
b. Fedora marketing should be pushing Red Hat to help define those limits.
So. Since Colin Charles is the owner of this list and one of its
originators, I've asked him to start putting together the pieces, to make
Fedora marketing its own project.
Yes, manifesto time
Good luck, Colin. Take us to the promised land. :)
Since our quick conversation to now, there wasn't much room for it. But
hey, I'm pumped to take this to the next level
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