Hi All, First off appologies in advance if question has been covered before and this isn't the right list, has there ever been any thought to have a Fedora store where proceeds from T-Shirt, laptop bag, stickers, and coffee mugs could benefit the Fedora project?  Basically something like the store for the GNOME project.  I am sure there must be a good reason why this doesn't already exist for the Fedora project, but I haven't found it as of yet.  Oh and yes I know of the Red Hat mini Fedora store. -- Mike -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Ok thank you for the response. I wasn't envisioning a large store like Mozilla but something more along the lines of GNOME's Zazzle store. It is a bit of a shame as I would love to buy Fedora gear that I knew was benefiting the project rather than some person who randomly put up a Fedora shirt on Cafepress. Since RHT already has a small offering of Fedora gear has there been any thought about enhancing that offering with new items/designs, ideally taking input from the Fedora Project but handling the finance/legal aspect of it?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Michael Dinon <mdinon(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hi All, > > First off appologies in advance if question has been covered before and this > isn't the right list, has there ever been any thought to have a Fedora store > where proceeds from T-Shirt, laptop bag, stickers, and coffee mugs could > benefit the Fedora project? Basically something like the store for the > GNOME project. I am sure there must be a good reason why this doesn't > already exist for the Fedora project, but I haven't found it as of yet. Oh > and yes I know of the Red Hat mini Fedora store. > > -- > Mike > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > So we've had numerous opportunities and even sub-projects attempting to do so but it boils down to a few issues. The biggest is, we have no way do handle inbound money. Fedora is legally a non-entity. So RHT is the de facto entity when Fedora comes up, and the landscape for dealing with sales and corporate taxes is so laden with landmines that every time we've discussed taking money it appears impossible even from outside of RHT, I can only imagine there are RHT-Finance and RHT-Legal types that automatically begin consuming antacid when it's brought up. :) The second is, for expansive web stores like Mozilla and Ubuntu have it requires a large commitment upfront, and management fees. This is effectively 25% of Fedora's annual disretionary budget. While it's likely that we'd recoup some if not all of that money, it's a big chunk of change, and one does have to question if the return on investment would be worthwhile. Fedora-fr maintains a spreadshirt site in France, but it's largely shirts and clothing. Fedora's regional ambassadors do produce large amounts of swag including, bathrobes, shirts, tattoos, buttons, stickers, case badges, etc. These are freely given out at events that fedora appears at. --David

When I read the $SUBJECT, I had a different impression. What came to mind was why Fedora does not have something similar to the Marketplace/Appstore paradigm not about t-shirts and other swag. I would like us to have a discussion marketplace/appstore paradigm and hence the subject change. If we rebrand the System->Administration->Add/Remove Software to something like Fedora Depot or Fedora Mart or some of the name-not-already-taken, we can ride on the well understood notion of a marketplace/appstore (thanks to the mobile platforms). Let the flames begin :-). Harish

We already have an "app store". It's free in all senses of the word and its name is yum.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Harish Pillay <hpillay(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > When I read the $SUBJECT, I had a different impression. > What came to mind was why Fedora does not have something > similar to the Marketplace/Appstore paradigm not about > t-shirts and other swag. > > I would like us to have a discussion marketplace/appstore > paradigm and hence the subject change. > > If we rebrand the System->Administration->Add/Remove Software > to something like Fedora Depot or Fedora Mart or some of the > name-not-already-taken, we can ride on the well understood > notion of a marketplace/appstore (thanks to the mobile > platforms). > > Let the flames begin :-).

On 04/01/2011 08:10 PM, Harish Pillay wrote: >> We already have an "app store". It's free in all senses of the word and its >> name is yum. > It is not about $0 or freedom. It is about the non-techie user seeing > what they are seeing in the mobile devices with a marketplace/appstore. > They don't see the equivalent of yum. > > My suggestion is to brand the Add/Remove Software menu item to something > the models the meme that has gained traction. It helps with the conversation > with those whom we are trying to encourage adopting Fedora. You might want to take a look at http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/01/18/Cross-distribution-meeting-o...

+1 Will be good just to see to see the name "add and remove" programe being rename to something like "Fedora App" or "App Market".

And will have a default icon placed in the Gome desktop on fresh installed. Just like the "home" icon.

> We already have an "app store". It's free in all senses of the word and its > name is yum. It is not about $0 or freedom. It is about the non-techie user seeing what they are seeing in the mobile devices with a marketplace/appstore. They don't see the equivalent of yum. My suggestion is to brand the Add/Remove Software menu item to something the models the meme that has gained traction. It helps with the conversation with those whom we are trying to encourage adopting Fedora.

The PackageKit GUI (convenient screenshots here: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-screenshots.html) does not have the same feel as a marketplace/appstore.

It does not speak to the non-techie user.

Consider: "Oh, you want an app that allows you to capture business card info?" "Ok, go to System->Administration->Add/Remove Software" conversation or would this: "Oh, you want an app that allows you to capture business card info?" "Ok, go to Fedora Mart and search for 'business card reader'" be better?

You are missing the point. it is NOT about *selling* anything per se. It is riding on an awareness that "this is how you add/remove apps" in a form that clicks with what has been done elsewhere.

* on the Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 06:16:02PM +0200, Fabian A. Scherschel was commenting: > On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Harish Pillay <hpillay(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > You are missing the point. it is NOT about *selling* anything per se. > > It is riding on an awareness that "this is how you add/remove apps" > > in a form that clicks with what has been done elsewhere. > > So your idea is basically to mislabel our package manager because app stores > are currently "cool"? You are aware of the fact that Apple & Co. only love > this concept and push it because their stores include DRM and they make > shitloads of cash, not because it is inherently a better name or easier to > use or recognise, right? It is not trying to be cool or to mislabel anything. It is to clarify and encourage self-discovery for users who would otherwise be saying that "oh, this is Linux. it is difficult." I'm game to alias PackageKit to be something more obvious to the growing group of users who have understood what a app store is. You are reading more into the whole idea by pulling in DRM and payment issues. When users use a Fedora Mart and realize that all of the stuff available is DRM-free and zero cost, I am sure they will appreciate Fedora for what it really is. The idea and suggestion is simple and clear. Please tell me what is still unclear. Harish -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Harish Pillay <hpillay(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > * on the Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 06:16:02PM +0200, Fabian A. Scherschel was > commenting: > > On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Harish Pillay <hpillay(a)redhat.com&gt; > > wrote: > > It is not trying to be cool or to mislabel anything. It is to clarify > and encourage self-discovery for users who would otherwise be saying > that "oh, this is Linux. it is difficult." You are misunderstanding me: In calling it a software STORE (or some derivative of it), you *are* mislabeling, if you want or not. "Add/Remove Software" is very clear. It does exactly what it says. Do you have any case studies of users being confused by that? I can't imagine *anybody* who wouldn't be clear about what that label means, to be honest...