Hi Paul, Sorry for breaking the thread; issue with the tools, digest-mode and Gmail's IMAP. I recently got involved in the Chinese Fedora Community... and try to assist them anyway possible by being the bridge between language and culture. With several ambassadors I set out a long term vision for the Chinese community: "Growing the Chinese community into a self-organizing and healthy community. The main goal is to enlarge the Chinese Fedora Community and seeking new talents to contribute to the mainstream development. We pursue a very good involvement with and from the Western Fedora Community and having a yearly FAD"... and show China can be a host for a FUDcon in the APAC area ;-). In a document I set out several points to focus on: Mirroring possibilities, Packaging and Development, Translation work, MIPS port of Fedora, Organizing a Fedora event, Ambassadors and Mentoring, Creating a better platform for the community and Marketing. A solution to the gap and have the Chinese community more involved, was to have the Chinese mailinglist hosted by Fedora. This is now done... but still more can be done. As you pointed out in another email, having the planet hosted in the same way would be great! The biggest issue is that the Fedora brand is not very well known. That is the reason why I want to focus on the marketing side of Fedora. Distributions like Ubuntu and Gentoo have a large group of followers and enthusiasts; IMO Fedora would be a perfect solution between these. But for this there needs to be means to convey the message; who we focus on, what we provide, the four foundations, etc. At the moment, this kind of material is non-existent. I would seldom talk about them, but the other issue is of course the 'cultural difference'. For example, most Chinese I spoke did not have the sense of Summer Coding... as they saw this as Western-only 'competition'. After explaining them what it means and could provide them, it opens them up more and they see it as a competitive advantage... but until now, I have not seen any of them enter the FSC. But we also have simple problems which can easily be addressed: the Fedora Ambassadors have no shirts. I am planning to have these made in China, according to the logo guidelines, so we can issue these. Goal: the Ambassadors should be able to promote the brand during for instance a local Software Freedom Day 2010 event! (and of course as a general means to show their involvement). This was the first thing I started to work when I approached Mel an Kaio. By that time four active mirrors were available for all of China. Mike McGrath told me that Chinese seldom approach them about mirroring options; this is also not something in the nature of the Chinese. My goal was to gain two new mirrors before the release of Fedora 13. After a long haul we finally gained an extra mirror in Beijing. For the moment I think we have a good foundation to cope with community and userbase growth (a good start to focus on the brand and getting people involved) ;-). As you can see, a lot has been started... but it is far from done. kind regards, Gerard - 吉拉德 Fedora Ambassador Project-lead Fedora-MIPS Member of Fedora 中文用户组