On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Ryan Rix <ry(a)n.rix.si&gt; wrote: Well, I wouldn't say -entirely- ad-hoc; traditionally, as well as per the now-existing SOP (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP), Talking Points are derived from the current release's Feature List, with the exception of the Spins listed in talking points. So, Feature List for F14 looks like this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList: .... which pretty much leaves us with a few options: #1) We take things like MeeGo and KDE and forego putting them in a "Spins" category on the Talking Points, move them up to End User talking points instead, and just add some blurbs about "and this will be a spin." #2) We break with tradition, and pull some stuff out of our hats that we can find that are End-User Talking Point worthy. I won't call it policy (perhaps someone else will, but I'm a happy little rulebreaker!!) - but Talking Points coming from Feature List it is a guideline we've had for some time. However, this point for "Talking Point Criteria" may be interesting - "Talking points should be about brand new features, or a very significant follow-on to early groundwork from a previous release. The latter isn't the same as adding support for additional hardware models or regular expansion of an existing feature." I'd say that if we can find something that maybe was an significant upgrade / brand new feature, but perhaps just wasn't called out on Feature List for whatever reason, we could consider it - but keeping in mind that once we bend the rules a little bit, it will be very hard in the future to go back to being more strict about what can / cannot be a Talking Point. (And as I said, if someone feels differently about #2 here, please pipe up.) #3) We acknowledge that End-User Features are... not abundant this cycle, and mostly limited to Spins. Aside from these possibilities, just as a point.... maybe in the future we (Marketing, FESCo, Fedora in general) should think about saying, oh hai, Feature List is due in 1 month, 3 weeks, one week, and we're not seeing any end-user Feature List items, and now would be a great time for someone to have one. :) While marketing certainly can't and doesn't dictate what needs to be made/accomplished, we can certainly help in pointing out gaps that could be great opportunities for new contributors. -Robyn

+1 to this. btw, I plan on doing an "upstream marketing" (how to market stuff you work on!) session at FUDCon Tempe so that developers et al can start thinking about marketing strategy, making feature profiles, etc. for their own projects without waiting for "the marketing team" to do the work. It'll also be good motivation for me to work on better templates and SOPs for that sort of thing. :) I envision our team here as a center of excellence/advice/help for folks who want to make things happen for their own projects, similar to how Infrastructure operates. So this may be something we can point people towards for F15, looking down the road, if we get some "why doesn't my thing have marketing-shiny in F14?" comments. --Mel