6:47 p.m.
Hi,
i've been following the discussion, and I'd like to add variations of the
slogan to be considered:
Fedora: Freedom Capable
Freedom: Not just another feature
Fedora: Freedom Integrated
Fedora: Freedom of Choice (this one's a repeat)
I don't think the word 'feature' is only associated with computer jargon,
but it is indeed its stronger association.
It's been also incorporated to, at least in Argentina, where I come from, to
everyday Spanish because of a lack of an accurate 1 word translation.
AlejoCerrato.
11:24 p.m.
New subject: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature
Alejo Cerrat0 escribió:
Hi,
i've been following the discussion, and I'd like to add variations of
the slogan to be considered:
Fedora: Freedom Capable
Freedom: Not just another feature
Fedora: Freedom Integrated
Fedora: Freedom of Choice (this one's a repeat)
I don't think the word 'feature' is only associated with computer
jargon, but it is indeed its stronger association.
It's been also incorporated to, at least in Argentina, where I come
from, to everyday Spanish because of a lack of an accurate 1 word
translation.
AlejoCerrato.
I thought of a few additions myself to the slogan, but mainly thought
in
Spanish, so the *literal* translation I've made may sound a bit odd, but
I hope to make things relatively clear...
"Fedora: Incluye Libertad"
Would (roughly) translate into:
"Fedora: Liberty included"
Now, I *chose* __Liberty__ instead of "freedom" given the ambiguous
meaning of "free" in colloquial English. Alas even though "freedom" as
such is reasonably enough "universally understood" as a synonym of
liberty (or so is my [limited] understanding of the English language), I
do believe that the Freedom in Fedora and Free and Open Source software
is actually "liberty" (non-ambiguous with gratis or free of [monetary]
cost). In Spanish there is no way to confuse "libre" with "free" (of
cost) unless directly stated (libre de costo)... I'm aware that it may
sound odd, but in the end I believe it does reflect what Fedora stands
for, unambiguously.
6:36 a.m.
New subject: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 12:24:06AM -0400, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
liberty (or so is my [limited] understanding of the English
language), I
do believe that the Freedom in Fedora and Free and Open Source software
is actually "liberty" (non-ambiguous with gratis or free of [monetary]
cost). In Spanish there is no way to confuse "libre" with "free" (of
In English, "freedom" alwys applies to the liberty-related senses of the
word, not to cost-free.
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11:33 a.m.
New subject: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature
El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 00:24 -0400, Gian Paolo Mureddu escribió:
Would (roughly) translate into:
"Fedora: Liberty included"
Now, I *chose* __Liberty__ instead of "freedom" given the ambiguous
meaning of "free" in colloquial English.
"Free" is ambiguous indeed, but "freedom" is not.
Alas even though "freedom" as
such is reasonably enough "universally understood" as a synonym of
liberty (or so is my [limited] understanding of the English language),
It's easy to solve:
http://diccionario.reverso.net/ingles-espanol/freedom
(está clarito, ¿no?)
I
do believe that the Freedom in Fedora and Free and Open Source software
is actually "liberty" (non-ambiguous with gratis or free of [monetary]
cost). In Spanish there is no way to confuse "libre" with "free" (of
cost) unless directly stated (libre de costo)... I'm aware that it may
sound odd, but in the end I believe it does reflect what Fedora stands
for, unambiguously.
The issue about the "free (software)" with the "free" word,
doesn't
interferes here with anything at all! You're messing to yourself.
Daniel
3:42 p.m.
New subject: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature
2007/10/7, M Daniel R Magarzo <b2.mdr.magarzo(a)gmail.com>:
El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 00:24 -0400, Gian Paolo Mureddu escribió:
>
> Would (roughly) translate into:
>
> "Fedora: Liberty included"
>
> Now, I *chose* __Liberty__ instead of "freedom" given the ambiguous
> meaning of "free" in colloquial English.
"Free" is ambiguous indeed, but "freedom" is not.
> Alas even though "freedom" as
> such is reasonably enough "universally understood" as a synonym of
> liberty (or so is my [limited] understanding of the English language),
It's easy to solve:
http://diccionario.reverso.net/ingles-espanol/freedom
(está clarito, ¿no?)
Liberty and freedom are synonymous, but they are used in completely
different contexts.
Liberty is mainly used in social contexts, "may I take the liberty to..", in
political contexts, "liberty as a universal aspiration of man", "the
attack
of the US government on civil liberties is, alas, not met with much
resistance", etc.
Freedom is a much more existential and down-to-earth word, much preferred to
liberty when it comes to slogans such as discussed here. A prisoner wants
freedom, not liberty. Freedom is the abstract yet very concrete 'version' of
liberty.
I think it is a much abused word, especially in some regions of the world.
"God" is much more abused, though, so we can safely use the former.
My idea of a slogan:
"Fedora - not all things free suck"
or:
"Booting freedom... [[[ OK ]]]"
:)
hrmn
5:27 p.m.
New subject: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature
El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 22:42 +0200, Herman Meester escribió:
2007/10/7, M Daniel R Magarzo <b2.mdr.magarzo(a)gmail.com>:
El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 00:24 -0400, Gian Paolo Mureddu
escribió:
Liberty and freedom are synonymous, but they are used in completely
different contexts.
Liberty is mainly used in social contexts, "may I take the liberty
to..", in political contexts, "liberty as a universal aspiration of
man", "the attack of the US government on civil liberties is, alas,
not met with much resistance", etc.
Freedom is a much more existential and down-to-earth word, much
preferred to liberty when it comes to slogans such as discussed here.
A prisoner wants freedom, not liberty. Freedom is the abstract yet
very concrete 'version' of liberty.
I think it is a much abused word, especially in some regions of the
world. "God" is much more abused, though, so we can safely use the
former.
Undestood.
My idea of a slogan:
"Fedora - not all things free suck"
Very hard, not?
or:
"Booting freedom... [[[ OK ]]]"
:)
:-))
hrmn
--
My 2 cents below :-)
Fedora. Here we are.
Fedora. Is your Linux?
Fedora as your Linux.
Fedora is your Linux.
Put a Linux in your Desktop. Put Fedora.
Fedora. A Linux over your desktop.
F8's ready. You?
F8's ready. And you?
Fedora's ready. And you?
You're ready for F?
Aren't you fedoring yet?
Fedora 8 for your mind.
Fedora. For your mind.
Fedora. Take it!
Is Fedora for you? Try it!
Is Fedora your good?
Is Fedora your gift?
Fedora. Our gift.
Fedora. A gift for freedom.
Fedora. My key, my gift.
Fedora. A key for you inside the gift.
Fedora. A gift with the master key.
Fedora. The master key.
Fedora. The gratitude instead.
Fedora. A gift with the key inside.
Fedora, the gift.
Fedora, the master key.
Fedora. Gift and key.
Fedora. Gift and master key.
Fedora. Try out its key.
Fedora. A present for the future.
Fedora. Our present for our freedom.
Fedora. Present for our freedom.
Fedora. A present with the key.
Fedora. A key gift for ours.
Fedora. A key gift.
Fedora. The key gift.
Fedora. A key gift on the Desk.
Fedora. A key gift for our liberty.
Fedora. A key for the ocean.
Fedora. An 8 Linux key.
Fedora. A master Linux key.
Fedora. A master key.
Fedora. Master key.
Fedora. Our key for the ocean.
Fedora. A key to the ocean.
Fedora. A key to open the ocean.
Fedora. A gift for the ocean.
Fedora. A gift for the liberty.
Fedora. Key gift.
Fedora. The key of the ocean.
Fedora. The ocean's key
Fedora. The ocean's need.
Daniel
P.S. Maybe the word "ocean" included into some of them needs somewhat
explanation..
The ocean is something that has to do in some manner with bigger values,
like infinite, its waves are there for ever; it sight is like something
infinite, suggesting, ...
The ocean is freedom too; in front of a single green field without any
tree, just some dull clouds in the sky, the ocean is homogeneous too,
apparently are almost the same, but they have nothing to do: the ocean
is dangerous, mysterious, variable, etc..
The ocean is also a place for the messages, for the communication, it
has also its own sound,...
For those who like the blue, the ocean is bluuue..
And the most important for me, the ocean is what joins all the lands,
continents. It has something magical.
3:38 a.m.
New subject: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature
Im a little late in the disscussion but just wanted to add some
Fedora: More than just Freedom
Fedora: Freedom to operate
Fedora: Powered by Freedom
Lloyd
11:22 a.m.
New subject: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature
El sáb, 06-10-2007 a las 19:47 -0400, Alejo Cerrat0 escribió:
Hi,
i've been following the discussion, and I'd like to add variations of
the slogan to be considered:
Fedora: Freedom Capable
Freedom: Not just another feature
Fedora: Freedom Integrated
Fedora: Freedom of Choice (this one's a repeat)
I don't think the word 'feature' is only associated with computer
jargon, but it is indeed its stronger association.
It's been also incorporated to, at least in Argentina, where I come
from, to everyday Spanish because of a lack of an accurate 1 word
translation.
AlejoCerrato.
--
Well Alejo, believe me if I tell you that here, in Spain, I've never
listened to somebody talking about "esta o esa feature". Apart from
nobody would understand you, they would look at you with amazement.
"Feature" is perfectly translatable to the Spanish, even more... as
usually, there are several possibilities for that word:
http://diccionario.reverso.net/ingles-espanol/feature
Daniel
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