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Originally discussed in a
[https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2016-March/019027.html
cross-posted mailing list thread].
= What =
As was identified by mattdm at DevConf CZ (and earlier discussions),
Python, Python developers, and Python communities are a major target
audience for Fedora in 2016. Ambassadors are encouraged to attend and
promote Fedora in these communities and share how Fedora makes working
with Python easier, more effective, etc. However, we are not sending them
out with any documented talking points! Marketing can help with this area.
= How =
We have a limited set of resources from the past we can work with. Ruth
pointed out on the list that there is an existing
[https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Python_brochure Python brochure]
that was created, but the information on it is old, outdated, and it needs
some touching up.
== Brochure update ==
The solution to this I proposed on the list was:
1. Identify "hot topics" of Python and create a list.
* "What makes Python so great on Fedora?"
* "How is working on Python in Fedora easier than other distros?"
* "What tools and resources does Fedora offer for Python developers?"
* "What kind of support is there for Python developers in the project?"
* "I'm a Python developer and want to help contribute. What can I do to
help?"
2. Submitting a ticket on the Design Team Trac with this info and a
request to update the flyer for distribution in 2016.
== Building our resources ==
Like was mentioned on the list, there are not many resources available
showing or teaching how Fedora is Python-friendly. Perhaps working with
our Infrastructure team to get a list of some of the hottest Python
projects they have and using this as a base is in our interest.
= When =
This is an urgent need. Our Ambassadors either are going out or will be
going out to Python events soon across the world and providing them with
the resources to effectively market Python + Fedora is the first step.
* **Tentative Due Date**: End of March, absolute *latest*
= Open Discussion =
Thoughts, ideas, or ways we can tackle this are welcome. I am intending to
add this ticket to the
[https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2016-03-02
2016-03-02 Marketing meeting agenda].
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Changes (by jflory7):
* keywords: python, nextmeeting => python, meeting
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* cc: kushal, jzb, bkp (added)
Comment:
'''Discussed in [https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-
meeting-1/2016-03-09/marketing.2016-03-09-21.55.html 2016-03-09
meeting].'''
= Banner =
bkp volunteered to update the
[https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Python_brochure Python brochure]
for 2016. The source for the image and the basics are there, but it needs
some refreshing for 2016.
Once the changes are complete, the revisions will be uploaded to the wiki
and a notification will be sent to the Marketing list so we can begin
printing / distributing this across the channels.
= Marketing ideas and approaches =
We had a few ideas come up for how we can approach marketing to
Pythonistas about why Fedora is awesome to work on Python with!
*Â Promote [https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/ Google Summer of Code]
Python projects on the Community Blog, Magazine, and social media
* Get a conversation started on the list about using Python in containers
and how Fedora is a great place to do this kind of work (bring in some
Pythonistas to the conversation, like Nick Coghlan, Kushal Das, etc.)
* Talk to the [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Python Python SIG]
about organizing another Python2 => Python3 vFAD to get some awesome work
done and promote how Python3 is a big thing in Fedora
= Standalone meeting? =
jzb also mentioned the possibility of dedicating an entire meeting time
slot to only this topic. Do we want to make it take over next week's
meeting (or at least leave the first ten minutes for high priority tickets
and the other 50 minutes only for Python)? Or do we want to schedule a new
meeting in a new time slot to try to pull in some Python experts who might
not otherwise be able to attend?
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Comment (by zbyszek):
This might be somewhat niche, but for some people it's important, and it
ties nicely into the university outreach program. Fedora has nice support
for the Python scientific stack, including Python 3. A bunch of packages
has been added recently through the NeuroFedora project
[https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1276941], but also some other
things like python-sphinxcontrib-bibtex. Of course there's numpy, scipy,
matplotlib, ipython, vtk, etc, etc. Altogether this forms a pretty
environment for scientific python work.
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Comment (by churchyard):
As a Python Maint and Python SIG team member and an ambassador I would
love to participate on this.
Random thoughts:
* We also have pypy and pypy3 in Fedora. Remove Jython form the brochure
as it is outdated and maybe nobody works on that.
* When doing some designing, see also https://github.com/fedora-python
/fedora-loves-python
* There is a Python section on http://whatcanidoforfedora.org/
* See http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/
* Our infra project use Python, our tools like Anaconda and dnf use
Python
I was also about to propose some marketing thing with #FedoraLovesPython
hashtag on Twitter etc. (For example on EuroPython, hand over the
sticekrs, ask people to tweet pics of their devices with those stickers
with hashtags #FedoraLovesPython and #EuroPython in order to win some
prices or get a badge or something). Maybe we could use #FedoraLovesPython
also in the brochure.
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Comment (by amitksaha):
I am the creator/maintainer of Fedora Scientific. Python tools and
libraries are actively being used in the scientific community and Fedora
has its own lab product to cater to those in the form of [http://fedora-
scientific.readthedocs.org/en/latest/python_programming.html Fedora
Scientific].
I think this would make a nice point for what you are after.
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Comment (by rbergero):
FYI that the Ansible address is ansible.com -- not ansible.cc, as shown in
the python brochure.
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Comment (by jflory7):
'''Discussed in [https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-
meeting-1/2016-03-30/marketing.2016-03-30-20.59.html 2016-03-30
meeting].'''
= Review request: Brochure =
Above this comment, bkp attached the latest version of the Python + Fedora
marketing brochure. The content and graphics could hit the printing press
ASAP, but we want some other Python developers and contributors in Fedora
to look this over and verify that everything checks out / makes sense /
isn't going to get Fedora laughed at for a mistake at a conference.
Additionally, if there's any major points you think are missing, feel free
to let us know!
= Next up: Organizing another porting vFAD? =
The next possible step for this ticket is to organize another vFAD and put
a little marketing effort behind it to see if we can help drum up some
extra support for migrating packages. I will contact the Python SIG
mailing list about this idea soon.
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Comment (by jflory7):
I just sat down and took a look through the brochure. I left my comments
in the [https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/434#comment:9 Design
Team ticket], but since we also requested feedback in this ticket, I will
also post them here:
* '''outer: "Learn more at:"'''
* This should probably be https://getfedora.org/ instead of
http://www.fedoraproject.org. Even though it redirects, it's probably more
accurate to use the domain you are redirected to versus the
fedoraproject.org domain. The QR code may need to be updated too.
* '''outer: Python questions? Wiki page'''
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Python
* Linking to the wiki page here might be a good idea too since a lot of
information about how to help / get involved is included here.
* '''inner: Get Fedora'''
* The URL used is get.fedoraproject.org. Should probably be
https://getfedora.org/
* '''inner: Mentioning DevAssistant'''
* DevAssistant is a popular tool to help get development workspaces set
up and ready to go, saving time from having to prepare a workspace
environment. Based on feedback received on the list and also at events, I
think making mention of DevAssistant somewhere in the brochure is a good
idea as well.
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Comment (by zbyszek):
relkease-monitoring.org
hyperkitty moved to https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty
It would be nice to add pagure to the list of infra projects. Maybe
instead of trac.
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Comment (by zbyszek):
dnf install python-thingy does not work anymore. dnf does not support
install by Provides, and most packages are now called python2-thingy or
python3-thingy.
"Get packages" could say:
Want to install what you find?
dnf install python2-thingy
dnf install python3-thingy
I'd also add a blurb like:
Fedora 24 includes 1278 rpms for Python 2.7 and 2873 for Python 3.5.
(This is the result of dnf repoquery --releasever=24 --whatrequires
'python(abi) = 2.7' --qf '%{name}'|sort -u|wc -l. Maybe some better
query
should be used.)
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Comment (by zbyszek):
Oops, 1278 rpms for Python 3.5 and 2873 for Python 2.7.
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Comment (by jflory7):
Replying to [comment:9 zbyszek]:
It would be nice to add pagure to the list of infra projects. Maybe
instead of trac.
+1 from me for replacing Trac with Pagure.
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Comment (by bproffit):
Latest feedback included and SVG files uploaded for review.
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Comment (by ncoghlan):
The SVG's don't contain any content for me, so I don't know what's
already
mentioned :(
General resources to link to: https://developer.fedoraproject.org/
MicroPython and the BBC micro:bit may be worth mentioning, but I'm not
entirely clear on the current status of those. I've requested more info
regarding MicroPython at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1113915#c16
Details on working with the micro:bit are covered in
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Micro_Bit
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Changes (by jflory7):
* cc: mizmo (added)
* owner: => jflory7
* status: new => assigned
Comment:
'''Discussed in [https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-
meeting-1/2016-04-06/marketing.2016-04-06-20.55.html 2016-04-06
meeting].'''
= PyCon NA =
[https://us.pycon.org/2016/ PyCon North America] is happening in Portland,
Oregon, from May 28th to June 5th. This is a major Python event just on
the horizon where we will be able to execute some of these marketing
materials and talking points firsthand.
= Brochure comments =
decause left some comments about the brochure during and after the meeting
for some brainstorming.
== Replacing subtitle text ==
* '''Subtitle text''': "A love story involving Python and
Fedora"
* Suggestion 1:
* Line 1: In a Relationship with Python
* Line 2: Since November 2003
* Suggestion 2: Together, Forever, since 2003
== Leading edge ==
There is a double leading edge on inside panel of "Developing Python on
Fedora".
== Mission statement ==
Replacing…
"Fedora incorporates leading-edge..."
…with…
"The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of Free and open
source software and content as a collaborative community."
= Next up! =
After this, we're going to focus on generating some static talking points
about Fedora in Python, probably somewhere on the wiki of something of
that nature doesn't already exist.
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Comment (by churchyard):
Replying to [comment:10 zbyszek]:
dnf install python-thingy does not work anymore. dnf does not support
install by Provides, and most packages are now called python2-thingy or
python3-thingy.
Yes, dnf does support installing by Provides. dnf install python-thingy
still works.
I'd also add a blurb like:
Fedora 24 includes 1278 rpms for Python 2.7 and 2873 for Python 3.5.
(This is the result of dnf repoquery --releasever=24 --whatrequires
'python(abi) = 2.7' --qf '%{name}'|sort -u|wc -l. Maybe some better query
should be used.)
This might help as well http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/
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* cc: churchyard (added)
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Changes (by jdulaney):
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Comment:
micropython is coming to Fedora:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1323966
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Comment (by bproffit):
Updated brochures with feedback from jflory7 and churchyard
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Comment (by churchyard):
You write Pip with capital letter, pypy all lower case, Python sometimes
as Python and sometimes as python :(
Please do not promote DevAssistant in there.
"Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python." - that cool,
but how doea sthe reader relate those things to Fedora?
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Comment (by bproffit):
What's wrong with DevAssistant? I'm not defending it, but a reason would
be helpful.
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Comment (by churchyard):
We don't have resources/time to develop it any further or even fix bugs
etc.
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Comment (by jflory7):
Does the current draft of the brochure check out to everyone? If so, we
can look at getting this to the printing presses sooner than later and let
our Ambassadors in the region know they are a resource available to them.
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Comment (by duffy):
brochure, prepped for print:
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/434
feed back from a python dev who read my print out:
- "the first panel as you open it up makes the call for you to use fedora
- comes on too strong, comes off preachy. ease into it"
- "the last panel on the inside isnt too useful to me at all"
- "there's no mention of fedora workstation or how to get it. that's
focused towards developers. i'd want to learn about that."
take it fwiw.
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Comment (by churchyard):
I wouldn't rush with printing this. Honestly, I think it's far from ready.
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Comment (by churchyard):
"Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python." - that cool,
but how doea sthe reader relate those things to Fedora? - this still
stands.
Also, any chance to promote Python 3 porting activities, such as
http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/ ?
Duffy made a fair point as well.
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Changes (by jflory7):
* keywords: python, meeting => meeting
Comment:
Adjusting keywords for this ticket so it actually shows up in the Trac
report properly. This is on the agenda for tomorrow, we're going to see if
we can begin to finalize details on this ticket then.
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Comment (by kushal):
I think if we can mention that by default Fedora is a Python3, that would
be nice.
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Comment (by churchyard):
Also, the picture here https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedoras-
love-python-continues/ has Gimp in it, that should have been spelled GIMP.
The sentence was never discussed here :(
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Comment (by jflory7):
Replying to [comment:29 churchyard]:
Any ideas of how we can relate that in the brochure? I'm a little sparse
for ideas but I agree with what you're saying.
= Modifying brochure in time for PyCon =
We are in a bit of a time crunch for this ticket due to the upcoming PyCon
events across the world, and the time needed to print the brochures. bkp
and I were going to check in with mizmo about the printing status and if
it was too late to add more (just pinged in #fedora-design). I meant to
follow up sooner on this but it slipped my mind.
To help expedite any potential changes, I have a bullet-point list of the
proposed revisions.
= Proposed changes =
* Add information about Fedora Workstation, how to get it, imply its focus
towards developers
* "By default, Fedora uses Python3 and helps contribute to porting Python2
packages to Python3. You can see more on the Fedora Python Porting
database. http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/"
Anything else to add in here?
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Also, the picture here
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedoras-
love-python-continues/ has Gimp in
it, that should have been spelled GIMP.
The sentence was never discussed here :(
This was an editing mistake on my part. I have just corrected the
capitalization in the announcement. Thanks for catching it!
Replying to [comment:26 churchyard]:
"Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python."
- that cool,
but how doea sthe reader relate those things to Fedora? - this still
stands.
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Comment (by churchyard):
Replying to [comment:26 churchyard]:
> "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python." - that
cool, but how doea sthe reader relate those things to Fedora? - this still
stands.
>
Any ideas of how we can relate that in the brochure? I'm a little sparse
for
ideas but I agree with what you're saying.
Maybe "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python and
available in Fedora"
Anything else to add in here?
You can get a badge for Python 3 porting, maybe show the badge there as
well?
https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/parselmouth
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Comment (by jflory7):
Replying to [comment:31 churchyard]:
Hah, maybe I was overthinking it. This seems great to me.
> > Anything else to add in here?
> You can get a badge for Python 3 porting, maybe show the
badge there as
well?
> https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/parselmouth
= Proposed changes =
* Add information about Fedora Workstation, how to get it, imply its focus
towards developers
* '''Add''': "By default, Fedora uses Python3 and helps
contribute to
porting Python2 packages to Python3. You can see more on the Fedora Python
Porting database (and get a badge for helping).
http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/"
* '''Change''': "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all
built with Python
and available in Fedora."
Anything else to add in here?
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> Any ideas of how we can relate that in the brochure? I'm a
little
sparse for ideas but I agree with what you're saying.
Maybe "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python and
available
in Fedora"
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Comment (by decause):
Stickers:
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/raw-attachment/ticket/442/hexspec-
sticker-python_no-text.pdf
Brochure (under construction):
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/434/python-
fedora.pdf
Tshirts:
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/431#comment:8
Poster:
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/raw-attachment/ticket/444
/fedora_python_poster-landscape.pdf
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Comment (by churchyard):
Replying to [comment:32 jflory7]:
* '''Add''': "By default, Fedora uses
Python3 and helps contribute to
porting Python2 packages to Python3. You can see
more on the Fedora Python
Porting database (and get a badge for helping).
http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/"
Make sure to add spaces between Python and the version number e.g. Python
3, not Python3.
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Comment (by churchyard):
We also have those stickers in Brno https://github.com/fedora-python
/fedora-loves-python
I think some other events might use them as well.
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Comment (by duffy):
bkp - let me make the changes - the brochures converted to scribus for
cmyk so inkscape updates wont be usable. (unless you want to make the
changes in scribus.)
i am going to update the brochure tomorrow at 1 pm eastern us. i cannot
accept any changes after that point.
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Comment (by bproffit):
duffy: Okay that's great, thanks! I will honor (and enforce) your
deadline.
Peace,
BKP
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Comment (by duffy):
Hey so I'm trying to make these changes now and can't:
- Where is the Fedora Workstation text to add?
- Theres isnt space to add the stuff about Fedora using Python 3. I
propose cutting a lot of the Fedora stuff on the leftmost panel of the
inside and placing this there. (Basically the three grey blocks that say
fedora strives to -- blah blah. Just kept the first paragraph about
Fedora, then put in the one about Fedoras porting project for python.)
- I was expecting this to be an obvious change in an existing sentence but
I can't find it so I don't know where this is meantto go. *
'''Change''':
"Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python and available in
Fedora."
Some direction would be great. I would really like to get this finalized
by EOB today so I can prep it for print.
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= Proposed changes =
* Add information about Fedora Workstation, how to get it, imply its
focus towards
developers
* '''Add''': "By default, Fedora uses
Python3 and helps contribute to
porting Python2 packages to Python3. You can see
more on the Fedora Python
Porting database (and get a badge for helping).
http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/"
* '''Change''': "Ansible, OpenStack, and
PiTiVi are all built with
Python and available in Fedora."
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Comment (by duffy):
updated print ready file
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/434/python-
fedora_final.pdf
(previews, etc on design team ticket, including alternate version of PDF
for home printing / digital distrbution)
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/434
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Comment (by churchyard):
Thanks, it looks great!
Some typos:
Pypy -> PyPy
PyPy is written in python -> Python
Fedora Python Porting database -> Fedora Python 3 Porting Database (notice
both capital D and number 3)
to porting Python 2 packages to Python3 -> Python 3
I've marked those with green in:
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Changes (by jflory7):
* keywords: meeting =>
* status: assigned => closed
* resolution: => completed
Comment:
= Brochures off to print =
With the recent update that the brochures have been sent off to the
printer, it seems like we're all set on this ticket! I think from a
Marketing perspective, we're good to close this ticket out. Thanks all to
everyone who collaborated and provided input on this ticket, your time is
really appreciated! This will mark the beginning of a new Marketing
objective for Fedora this year. :)
Replying to [comment:40 churchyard]:
Thanks, it looks great!
Some typos:
Pypy -> PyPy
PyPy is written in python -> Python
Fedora Python Porting database -> Fedora Python 3 Porting Database
(notice both
capital D and number 3)
to porting Python 2 packages to Python3 -> Python 3
I've marked those with green in:
https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/attachment/ticket/219/preview-
inner.png
This feedback missed the deadline to make it for the printer, but I am
going to forward this comment to the [https://fedorahosted.org/design-
team/ticket/434 Design Team ticket 434] so it is logged there for later
correction. These changes won't make it in for this run, but we'll get
them in for next time.
Thanks again everyone! Nice work.
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