F17 Beta Blocker Bug Review #2 Minutes
by Adam Williamson
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#fedora-bugzappers: F17-beta-blocker-review-2
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Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-03-09/f17-beta-bl...
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-03-09/f17-beta-bl...
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-03-09/f17-beta-bl...
Meeting summary
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* roll call (adamw, 17:02:19)
* Introduction (adamw, 17:07:47)
* Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and
nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor
the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have
bugs. (adamw, 17:07:57)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
(adamw, 17:08:04)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Beta_Release_Criteria
(adamw, 17:08:07)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
(adamw, 17:08:11)
* 9 Proposed Blockers (adamw, 17:08:30)
* 7 Accepted Blockers (adamw, 17:08:48)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=801782 (adamw, 17:09:48)
* AGREED: 801782 is a blocker per beta criterion "The default update
manager in release-blocking desktops must not periodically check for
updates when the system is booted live, but must periodically check
for updates when running on an installed system" (adamw, 17:14:28)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787744 (adamw, 17:16:31)
* AGREED: 787744 is rejected as a blocker: it doesn't really prevent
direct kernel boot of the installer from working, you just need to
specify some parameters for it. i.e. it's 'easily workaroundable'.
accepted as NTH, if the fix is not too invasive. (adamw, 17:44:58)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800316 (adamw, 17:45:29)
* AGREED: 800316 is not a blocker as the impact is fairly small (it
affects only the rarely used 'skip bootloader' option). we have
other bugs for more serious problems with bootloader handling on
upgrade (adamw, 17:54:07)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=797507 (adamw, 17:54:20)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800205
(pschindl, 17:59:33)
* AGREED: 797507 is a dupe of 785815, we also have 800205 for the
preupgrade case (which could be fixed on preupgrade side if it is
not fixed on anaconda side) (adamw, 18:13:59)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=736993 (adamw, 18:16:31)
* AGREED: 736993 is a beta blocker: general consensus that serial
console should be beta blocking, we will tidy up the criteria to
reflect this (adamw, 18:25:02)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748964 (adamw, 18:25:32)
* AGREED: 748964 can now be considered a dupe of 736993 as that's been
re-opened for F17 Beta. 736993 is accepted as a beta blocker as it
breaks serial install. (adamw, 18:34:39)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799174 (adamw, 18:35:32)
* AGREED: 799174 is not a blocker: dependency issues in
updates-testing are pretty common place and don't affect releases
unless the problems get pushed to stable, which we would catch later
(adamw, 18:38:19)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800205 (adamw, 18:38:31)
* AGREED: 800205 is a blocker per criterion "The installer must be
able to successfully complete an upgrade installation from a clean,
fully updated default installation (from any official install
medium) of the previous stable Fedora release, either via preupgrade
or by booting to the installer manually. The upgraded system must
meet all release criteria" (adamw, 18:41:14)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591630 (adamw, 18:41:25)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591630#c19
(adamw, 18:42:47)
* AGREED: 591630 is a blocker: the bug infringes criteria cited in the
report in the specific case of 'IPv6-only network'. we are making
the determination that this is a significant enough case at this
point in time to make the bug a blocker. we will report this
decision to devel list and FESCo for their review (adamw, 18:50:11)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800376 (adamw, 18:51:24)
* AGREED: 800376 is not a blocker: it's likely not the desired design,
but in practice, upgrade *does* work with the default option. if
anaconda team want to improve the design that's great, but it's not
a blocker (adamw, 19:03:51)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=742207 (adamw, 19:04:49)
* an updates.img is available for 742207, so it's on QA to check that
out and give feedback to bcl (adamw, 19:05:30)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=753421 (adamw, 19:06:55)
* 753421 has an updates.img available for testing, so again, needs us
to test (adamw, 19:08:24)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787461 (adamw, 19:09:18)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787461 (adamw, 19:09:53)
* AGREED: 787461 has morphed into a much less serious bug than
initially reported, let's re-close it and ask hongqing to report his
bug as a new one (adamw, 19:18:45)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787893 (adamw, 19:19:01)
* fix for 787893 is in Beta TC1 and needs testing - simple f16 to f17
upgrade test should be enough (adamw, 19:21:50)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796155 (adamw, 19:22:02)
* bcl says this bug should go away with the landing of noloader, which
will happen Real Soon Now: ball is in anaconda team's court on this
one (adamw, 19:25:05)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798373 (adamw, 19:25:24)
* 798373 fix is in and tested by kparal but needs to be pushed stable
and added to beta tc2 compose (adamw, 19:26:16)
* http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=754568 (adamw, 19:27:25)
* ACTION: adamw to bug ajax about 754568 (adamw, 19:30:08)
* 754568 no movement from developer (adamw, 19:31:17)
* AGREED: meeting was unacceptably short. let's not make that mistake
again. (adamw, 19:32:22)
* open floor (adamw, 19:32:47)
Meeting ended at 19:34:54 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* adamw to bug ajax about 754568
People Present (lines said)
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* adamw (336)
* kparal (160)
* bcl (56)
* fenrus02 (55)
* maxamillion (47)
* pschindl (35)
* buggbot (20)
* nirik (15)
* brunowolff (14)
* zodbot (4)
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Fedora QA Community Monkey
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http://www.happyassassin.net
12 years, 1 month
Summary & minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-03-12)
by Tomas Mraz
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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-03-12)
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Meeting started by t8m at 18:02:05 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-12/fesco.2012-03-...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (t8m, 18:02:39)
* #699 Proposal to remove the package "tzdata" from Critical Path (t8m,
18:05:03)
* LINK:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fesco/fesco.2011-11-21-18.00.log.h...
(nirik, 18:13:02)
* Deferred to next meeting (t8m, 18:54:26)
* #800 Feature Freeze exception: JBoss AS 7 (t8m, 18:54:29)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JBossAS7 has the packaging
status (nirik, 18:56:52)
* AGREED: The feature freeze exception for JBoss AS 7 is granted.
(t8m, 18:57:42)
* #820 Feature Freeze exception: Mingw-w64 cross-compiler (t8m,
18:58:13)
* AGREED: The feature freeze exception for Mingw-w64 cross-compiler
is granted (t8m, 19:00:47)
* #707 Updates to language on FESCo Election page (t8m, 19:01:45)
* AGREED: The updates to the FESCo Election page as described in the
ticket are approved. (t8m, 19:04:14)
* ACTION: t8m will update the page (t8m, 19:05:45)
* #819 Please review our determination of IPv6 issue blocker status
(t8m, 19:06:03)
* AGREED: FESCo agrees with the IPv6 issue blocker status. (t8m,
19:07:54)
* #808 Unretiring policy (or Fedora policies in general) needs a "common
sense" clause (t8m, 19:08:21)
* AGREED: Packages may be unretired without review up to 2 weeks after
retirement providing that the package has ever previously been
reviewed (t8m, 19:19:00)
* ACTION: t8m will update the orphaning page and announce it on devel
(t8m, 19:20:40)
* Next week chair (t8m, 19:24:08)
* ACTION: limburgher will be the next week chair (t8m, 19:27:23)
* Open floor (t8m, 19:28:24)
Meeting ended at 19:31:23 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* t8m will update the page
* t8m will update the orphaning page and announce it on devel
* limburgher will be the next week chair
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* limburgher
* limburgher will be the next week chair
* t8m
* t8m will update the page
* t8m will update the orphaning page and announce it on devel
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* t8m (101)
* nirik (63)
* mjg59 (55)
* mitr (47)
* notting (31)
* pjones (29)
* limburgher (29)
* zodbot (10)
* adamw (5)
* dgilmore (1)
* sgallagh (0)
* mmaslano (0)
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Docs meeting summary -- 12 March 2012
by Ben Cotton
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (bcotton, 13:00:50)
* Follow up on last week's action items (bcotton, 13:04:50)
* ACTION: bcotton to check on guide owners for F17 (bcotton,
13:05:04)
* ACTION: suehle to nicely poke lingering * beat owners (bcotton,
13:05:52)
* Release Notes (bcotton, 13:06:11)
* If your beat is done, don't forget to mark a 1 in the table
(bcotton, 13:07:16)
* ACTION: bcotton to send a note to Docs ML for beat-writing party
(bcotton, 13:15:53)
* AGREED: Beat Writing Party at 3pm EDT on Wednesday 14 March
(bcotton, 13:16:10)
* Guide Status (bcotton, 13:25:41)
* LINK:
http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-docs-tree-tasks.html
(bcotton, 13:25:53)
* Outstanding BZ Tickets (bcotton, 13:37:46)
* LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (bcotton, 13:37:54)
* Open Floor Discussion (bcotton, 13:39:13)
* ACTION: pkovar to address meeting times on docs ml (bcotton,
13:47:33)
Meeting ended at 13:49:08 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* bcotton to check on guide owners for F17
* suehle to nicely poke lingering * beat owners
* bcotton to send a note to Docs ML for beat-writing party
* pkovar to address meeting times on docs ml
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* bcotton
* bcotton to check on guide owners for F17
* bcotton to send a note to Docs ML for beat-writing party
* pkovar
* pkovar to address meeting times on docs ml
* **UNASSIGNED**
* suehle to nicely poke lingering * beat owners
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* jjmcd (54)
* bcotton (51)
* pkovar (18)
* claneys (18)
* shaiton (8)
* randomuser (3)
* zodbot (3)
* fnadge (1)
* LoKoMurdoK (1)
* sgordon (1)
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-12/fedora_docs.20...
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-12/fedora_docs.20...
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-12/fedora_docs.20...
--
Ben Cotton
Fedora Docs Leader
12 years, 1 month
Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes :: 2012-03-09
by Robyn Bergeron
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Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-09/cloud_sig.2012...
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-09/cloud_sig.2012...
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#fedora-meeting: Cloud SIG
==========================
Meeting started by rbergeron at 19:00:44 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-09/cloud_sig.2012...
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Meeting summary
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* Gathering of the minds and roll call (rbergeron, 19:00:59)
* Eucalyptus (rbergeron, 19:04:05)
* Euca is very close to having packages done/cleaned-up with only 5 or
6 pkgs left, but many more need reviews (rbergeron, 19:07:37)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Eucalyptus (rbergeron,
19:08:00)
* Things needing review are listed on the Euca wiki page on fp.o and
that page is up to date (rbergeron, 19:08:20)
* ACTION: mull and mgoldmann to swap reviews because they both need
them :) (rbergeron, 19:08:38)
* AS7 progress (rbergeron, 19:08:58)
* AS7 has 84 pkgs in total; 59 in rawhide/f17, 24 in progress
(rbergeron, 19:11:27)
* cleared licensing issues blocking about 10 pkgs, including JTA
(rbergeron, 19:11:39)
* will likely end up with about 100pkgs (rbergeron, 19:11:52)
* mgoldmann was able to deploy his first web app on Fedora / JBoss AS7
:) (rbergeron, 19:12:57)
* also planning with carlo to run TCK test on the resulting RPM, so
that what is shipped is "certified" - ie: it is what it really
should be :) (rbergeron, 19:15:15)
* OpenStack (rbergeron, 19:15:31)
* OpenStack test day is "over" but instructions are still a nice way
to get started with openstack (rbergeron, 19:18:33)
* LINK:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-test-day/2012-03-08/openstack_tes...
(rbergeron, 19:18:57)
* Essex release is coming along, RC1 should be out soon (rbergeron,
19:19:23)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-03-08_OpenStack_Test_Day
(rbergeron, 19:20:48)
* AWS/S3 (rbergeron, 19:23:16)
* won't be going live with mirror until at least 3/19 due to
migrations, OoO stuff (rbergeron, 19:26:16)
* s3sync code seems to work well eough; md5 checking code is
heavyweight on the FI storage backend, but necessary because
repodata/* files change content but not names frequently. better
solution welcome. (rbergeron, 19:26:44)
* robyn having keyboard sadness today (rbergeron, 19:26:54)
* OpenNebula (rbergeron, 19:27:42)
* THEY HAZ A PACKAGE! (rbergeron, 19:27:57)
* currently in mock build testing right now; selinux looking okay, not
running into issues; spstarr to work on cleaning it up more this
weekend (rbergeron, 19:28:47)
* spstarr working closely with upstream (rbergeron, 19:32:42)
* Open Floor (rbergeron, 19:33:36)
* EC2 images for F17 won't work until
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=801650 is fixed (fix is
upstream, shouldn't take long to get to Fedora) (rbergeron,
19:41:56)
* ACTION: jforbes to send a quick note re: bz 801650 to the cloud-sig
list (rbergeron, 19:43:12)
Meeting ended at 19:45:29 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* mull and mgoldmann to swap reviews because they both need them :)
* jforbes to send a quick note re: bz 801650 to the cloud-sig list
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* jforbes
* jforbes to send a quick note re: bz 801650 to the cloud-sig list
* mgoldmann
* mull and mgoldmann to swap reviews because they both need them :)
* mull
* mull and mgoldmann to swap reviews because they both need them :)
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* rbergeron (140)
* mgoldmann (32)
* spstarr_work (26)
* russellb (15)
* mull (12)
* jforbes (11)
* mdomsch (9)
* nirik (3)
* zodbot (3)
* kkeithley (3)
* tdawson_ (2)
* pingou (1)
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FUDCon KL Meeting Minutes :: 2012-03-08
by Robyn Bergeron
Thanks for attending the first FUDCon planning meeting for Kuala Lumpur
today. I'll be announcing hte opening of subsidy requests very very soon. :)
-Robyn
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-03-08/fudcon_kl_pla...
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-03-08/fudcon_kl_pla...
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#fudcon-planning: FUDCon_KL_planning
====================================
Meeting started by rbergeron at 13:59:25 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-03-08/fudcon_kl_pla...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (rbergeron, 13:59:57)
* anyone who does not yet have a Fedora account, please get one.
(rbergeron, 14:01:30)
* LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ (rbergeron,
14:01:37)
* tickets can't be assigned without an account name :) (rbergeron,
14:02:04)
* Agenda (rbergeron, 14:02:42)
* Welcome, Immediate items to verify, Budget planning, Opening of
subsidies and figuring out the closing date for subsidies
(rbergeron, 14:03:18)
* Welcome to the first KL meeting (rbergeron, 14:04:28)
* We will be meeting in the same time/same channel every week between
now and FUDCon. (rbergeron, 14:06:14)
* FUDCon KL is set for May 18-20 (rbergeron, 14:06:28)
* Immediate tasks (rbergeron, 14:07:20)
* ACTION: rbergeron to take tasks from this meeting and turn them into
tickets (rbergeron, 14:07:34)
* rbergeron has already added Kuala Lumpur to the list of events in
trac at https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ (rbergeron,
14:08:00)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012 is up
(KageSenshi, 14:08:44)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012
(KageSenshi, 14:09:02)
* conference room space/venue has been confirmed (rbergeron,
14:11:00)
* ACTION: rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and
capacities for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to
wiki (rbergeron, 14:13:55)
* ACTION: rebelk0de to send the information to the fudcon-planning
mailing list about room capacities, names, etc. (rbergeron,
14:14:53)
* ACTION: mavjs to call and check options on discounts for group
bookings (rbergeron, 14:22:37)
* Budget Planning (rbergeron, 14:26:35)
* We have at least $15k USD for budget; possibly more (I am confirming
before I say anything more) (rbergeron, 14:27:08)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Budget#Current_Est...
(KageSenshi, 14:27:15)
* Subsidies to close on 20th at 23:59:59 UTC (rbergeron, 14:42:02)
* March 20th to be clear (rbergeron, 14:42:07)
* ACTION: rbergeron to include that information in the blog post for
subsidies (after she gets everything in trac properly) (rbergeron,
14:42:26)
* Open Floor (rbergeron, 14:43:44)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Organization
(KageSenshi, 14:44:01)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines
(rbergeron, 14:50:09)
Meeting ended at 15:08:16 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* rbergeron to take tasks from this meeting and turn them into tickets
* rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and capacities
for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to wiki
* rebelk0de to send the information to the fudcon-planning mailing list
about room capacities, names, etc.
* mavjs to call and check options on discounts for group bookings
* rbergeron to include that information in the blog post for subsidies
(after she gets everything in trac properly)
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* jipang_menjerit
* rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and capacities
for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to wiki
* KageSenshi
* rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and capacities
for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to wiki
* rbergeron
* rbergeron to take tasks from this meeting and turn them into tickets
* rbergeron to include that information in the blog post for subsidies
(after she gets everything in trac properly)
* rebelk0de
* rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and capacities
for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to wiki
* rebelk0de to send the information to the fudcon-planning mailing
list about room capacities, names, etc.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* mavjs to call and check options on discounts for group bookings
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* rbergeron (137)
* KageSenshi (99)
* rebelk0de (27)
* bckurera (25)
* jipang_menjerit (18)
* zodbot (17)
* MavJS (14)
* meng (12)
* choirboy (12)
* sweemeng (9)
* gunesh (7)
* kaio (7)
* lufkin (7)
* tuanta (6)
* siDz (4)
* FranciscoD (3)
* kulll (2)
* ALmol (1)
* jsmith (1)
* TYSSeries (1)
* motionman (1)
* Ck007 (1)
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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-03-08)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-03-08)
============================================
Meeting started by nirik at 20:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-08/infrastructure...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Robot Roll Call (nirik, 20:00:01)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 20:02:14)
* new folks, hang out in #fedora-admin and say hi to get started.
(nirik, 20:03:54)
* two factor auth status (nirik, 20:03:58)
* ACTION: nirik to look around for C coders to work on pam_url for us.
(nirik, 20:07:39)
* Staging re-work status (nirik, 20:09:51)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 20:10:27)
* we should really try and fix logging of applications so we can send
them easily to a log host. (nirik, 20:20:33)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 20:23:41)
* 2012-03-07 to 2012-03-14 - Pycon (nirik, 20:23:46)
* 2012-03-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 20:23:47)
* 2012-03-20 to 2012-04-03 - F17 Beta Freeze (nirik, 20:23:47)
* 2012-03-27 - drop inactive maintainers from packages. (nirik,
20:23:47)
* 2012-04-01 - nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 20:23:47)
* 2012-04-03 - F17Beta release day (nirik, 20:23:47)
* 2011-04-03 - gitweb-cache removal day. (nirik, 20:23:49)
* 2012-04-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 20:23:51)
* 2012-04-24 to 2012-05-08 - F17 Final Freeze. (nirik, 20:23:53)
* 2012-05-01 - nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 20:23:55)
* 2012-05-08 - F17 release (nirik, 20:23:57)
* ACTION: nirik to look into possibly doing a bapp02 (rhel6) for
migration. (nirik, 20:33:15)
* will revisit next week on more migrations of builders to vm's
(nirik, 20:41:32)
* Ssh keypair changes still needed. (nirik, 20:41:36)
* ACTION: skvidal to bug people in this state. Any we can't reach will
get another email, then be admin_locked. (nirik, 20:48:14)
* Tickets from Ages past (nirik, 20:48:44)
* LINK:
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/1?sort=created&asc=1
(nirik, 20:50:16)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/506 <-
just close this (skvidal, 20:53:06)
* Open Floor (nirik, 20:59:50)
* skvidal to post to list and gather info on what we actually use in a
Config mgmt system. (nirik, 21:16:11)
* mdomsch will be uploading a infra version of s3cmd until patches are
upstreamed. (nirik, 21:18:31)
* will be deploying mirror sync on bapp01 once it's re-installed.
(nirik, 21:18:44)
Meeting ended at 21:20:14 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* nirik to look around for C coders to work on pam_url for us.
* nirik to look into possibly doing a bapp02 (rhel6) for migration.
* skvidal to bug people in this state. Any we can't reach will get
another email, then be admin_locked.
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* nirik
* nirik to look around for C coders to work on pam_url for us.
* nirik to look into possibly doing a bapp02 (rhel6) for migration.
* skvidal
* skvidal to bug people in this state. Any we can't reach will get
another email, then be admin_locked.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (179)
* skvidal (170)
* smooge (21)
* mdomsch (20)
* abadger1999 (18)
* pingou (15)
* CodeBlock (14)
* zodbot (6)
* dgilmore (6)
* adrianhannah (3)
* rbergeron (2)
* wsterling (1)
* lmacken (0)
* ricky (0)
* Codeblock (0)
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20:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-03-08)
20:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 8 20:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
20:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
20:00:01 <nirik> #topic Robot Roll Call
20:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal Codeblock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch
20:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
20:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Codeblock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge
20:00:28 * CodeBlock is here
20:00:32 * skvidal is here
20:00:45 * pingou is here
20:00:46 <smooge> is here
20:00:53 <nirik> who all is around for a lovely, exciting, thrilling, action packed, adventure infrastructure meeting?
20:01:09 <CodeBlock> Rainy, tired-ey, last-day-of-school-before-spring-break kind of day.
20:01:46 <pingou> the last one sounds cool :)
20:02:10 <CodeBlock> :)
20:02:11 <nirik> :) ok, lets go ahead and get started then...
20:02:14 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
20:02:20 <nirik> If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices
20:02:20 <nirik> would like to ask general questions, they can do so here.
20:03:01 <nirik> anyone? ;)
20:03:14 <nirik> we did have a number of new folks on the list... but the meeting time may not be great for them.
20:03:24 * wsterling here
20:03:54 <nirik> #info new folks, hang out in #fedora-admin and say hi to get started.
20:03:58 <nirik> #topic two factor auth status
20:04:05 <nirik> skvidal: any news on this in the last bit?
20:04:19 <skvidal> yah
20:04:28 <skvidal> so the cgi is posted at github
20:04:36 <skvidal> and I've sent pam_url off to some folks to audit
20:04:42 <skvidal> ricky got back to me and was not happy about pam_url
20:04:48 <skvidal> for a couple of good reasons
20:04:55 <skvidal> one of which looks pretty easy to fix
20:05:00 <skvidal> the others are going to be annoying
20:05:06 <nirik> bummer. ;(
20:05:15 <skvidal> so I'm waiting to hear back from bressers
20:05:16 <nirik> would one of the other implementations be better to go with then?
20:05:25 <skvidal> they are all going to require some hacking now
20:05:40 <nirik> yeah, I wonder if we couldn't ask someone who does security code to pick one and hack on it for us. ;)
20:05:41 <dgilmore> buenos
20:05:42 <skvidal> to get them to work like we want
20:05:51 <skvidal> nirik: I doubt it...
20:06:14 <nirik> possibly not, but we could ask around if we need to.
20:06:20 <skvidal> nirik: but I would love it. C is not my native language (so to speak) and it would be easier to fix pam_url if I was more capable at C
20:06:25 <skvidal> nirik: got any ideas?
20:06:28 <skvidal> on whom to ask?
20:06:40 <smooge> what was that think about pam_python someone mentioned earlier...
20:06:44 <nirik> not sure, I could ask bressers who to ask. ;)
20:07:01 <nirik> but let me ask around, see if I can find anyone.
20:07:02 <skvidal> smooge: 1. it's not in any distribution of anything we have
20:07:16 <smooge> oh got it
20:07:16 <skvidal> 2. pam_python makes a big point on its site of saying how much slower it is to exec python
20:07:29 <skvidal> smooge: believe me, I looked
20:07:36 <smooge> pam_pypy?
20:07:39 <nirik> #action nirik to look around for C coders to work on pam_url for us.
20:07:53 <smooge> I think that would have made a great GSOC
20:07:58 <nirik> so, once we have pam_url working we can setup a test instance and then hopefully deploy?
20:08:01 <skvidal> smooge: umm I doubt it
20:08:13 <skvidal> nirik: I think so - we can definitely get it running and tested
20:08:17 <smooge> if we had people who understand C etc etc.
20:08:45 <skvidal> nirik: I'm even happy with someone who commonly codes in C who can answer some questions for me
20:08:47 <skvidal> w/o mocking me for it
20:08:55 * skvidal is not joking about that last part
20:09:20 <nirik> ok, I'll see what/who I can find.
20:09:25 <nirik> anything else on this?
20:09:47 <skvidal> nothing so far
20:09:51 <nirik> #topic Staging re-work status
20:10:05 <nirik> ok, I meant to work on this some this week... but kept getting sidetracked. ;)
20:10:15 <nirik> I'll try again soon...
20:10:27 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
20:10:43 <nirik> abadger1999 and threebean and lmacken are all out at fudcon...
20:10:44 <skvidal> I think everyone working on apps is at pycon
20:10:47 <skvidal> pycon
20:10:50 <skvidal> not fudcon
20:10:54 <nirik> yeah, sorry, pycon.
20:11:05 <nirik> anyhow, anyone else have any news on any apps?
20:11:10 * pingou updates fedora-gather-easyfix's spec file
20:11:14 <nirik> CodeBlock: how's the search crawler going?
20:11:16 * abadger1999 wishes those were synonymous... 200+ people at fudcon would be awesome
20:11:21 <abadger1999> 2000+
20:11:48 <CodeBlock> well I made some tweaks to the crawler config... some helped, some didn't... still need to tweak more...also need to try to make the web UI faster
20:11:55 <nirik> pingou: is the thought to deploy that to bapp01 and rsync to proxies like we do for websites? or run it on apps? or ?
20:11:55 <CodeBlock> it gets slow with a lot of results sometimes
20:12:28 <nirik> CodeBlock: daMaestro said he could help out, he's run dpsearch before, so ping him if you like.
20:12:41 <CodeBlock> oh cool, will do
20:12:45 <pingou> nirik: the version packaged at the moment is a simple html, rsync is easy, but with the integration with the bz, there is css and js file in addition
20:13:02 <pingou> (but it would still run as a cron)
20:13:28 <pingou> we should see what's the best way
20:13:43 <nirik> ok.
20:14:04 <nirik> any other applications news?
20:14:05 <abadger1999> pingou: would you like to ask for package review on the packages you have that need to get into epel for us to deploy? (me is busy at pycon) could be an easyfix if people are already packagers
20:14:16 <nirik> oh, I have one note:
20:14:25 <pingou> abadger1999: done and done :)
20:14:33 <abadger1999> Cool.
20:14:39 <nirik> we now have a way to send httpd error_logs to log02... which could help us when looking for application problems.
20:14:49 <pingou> abadger1999: I meant the two reviews , fedora-gather-easyfix and python-tgcaptcha2
20:14:53 <nirik> however. Some apps are so noisy that it's useless. we need to fix that first
20:15:47 <skvidal> nirik: you're talking about the noise from fas that looked like info-logs?
20:15:58 <nirik> I tried looking at how fas logs for example, but got confused. ;) So, we may want to look at having a VFAD on application logging someday...
20:16:03 <nirik> yes.
20:16:03 <skvidal> ah, yues
20:16:03 <skvidal> :)
20:16:05 <skvidal> sorry
20:16:34 <nirik> if we can get apps to log just tracebacks to error_log (or actual, you know, errors), we can send them to log02 and it will be much easier to see whats happening.
20:16:55 <smooge> skvidal, I can ask around with my former group.. they did various pam stuff for Science!
20:17:00 <skvidal> nirik: I have a dumb question on some of the error logs
20:17:04 <skvidal> I can fix this
20:17:05 <skvidal> File does not exist: /srv/web/favicon.ico
20:17:08 <skvidal> obviously
20:17:21 <skvidal> does anyone care if I do?
20:17:29 <abadger1999> +1
20:17:36 <nirik> yes, please fix.
20:17:42 <skvidal> ok
20:17:44 <nirik> thats one thing I think logs are good helping us do.
20:18:07 <abadger1999> nirik: Fixing logging (to the point you're talking) may be impossible.... I know we've tried for years.
20:18:16 <abadger1999> nirik: But we might be able to cut it down some.
20:18:18 <nirik> abadger1999: ;( thats sad.
20:18:19 <skvidal> done
20:18:32 <smooge> well should we just put one in there?
20:18:34 <skvidal> abadger1999: what is going on where it is outputting so much to the logs?
20:18:35 <abadger1999> I know skvidal was successful on cutting some down for other apps
20:18:46 <skvidal> abadger1999: that's b/c I cut them down with a butcher knife :)
20:18:49 <nirik> if we can't fix it at that level, we may be able to filter them in rsyslog I guess, but man that seems a kludge. ;)
20:18:59 <skvidal> it's not as graceful as a solution as I'd expect you to come up with ;)
20:19:18 <skvidal> abadger1999: what's creating the logs?
20:19:34 <abadger1999> We don't know what's going on -- something about logging is mising tracebacks when we mess with logging in certain ways.
20:19:38 <abadger1999> skvidal: pyhton's logging module
20:19:57 <nirik> it's not just fas right? other things have the same issue?
20:19:59 <skvidal> oh dear god
20:20:05 * skvidal goes to hide his head
20:20:05 <abadger1999> I'm happy for you to cut through the logs with a butcher knife.
20:20:18 <skvidal> logging makes me want to cry and hurt myself.
20:20:22 <abadger1999> yeah.
20:20:33 <nirik> #info we should really try and fix logging of applications so we can send them easily to a log host.
20:20:44 <abadger1999> I was hoping that python-3 was going to get a different logging module but that's another story.
20:21:04 <nirik> yeah, I doubt it would be at all easy, but perhaps if we got everyone together and hacked on it we could figure something out.
20:21:31 <nirik> anyhow, just wanted to mention it.
20:21:39 <nirik> any other application news?
20:21:57 <CodeBlock> do app *servers* count?
20:22:01 <CodeBlock> Most are built as el6 now
20:22:11 <abadger1999> not this week. Hopefully we'll have some tangential news next week.
20:22:14 <nirik> sure! thanks very much for working on that CodeBlock.
20:22:19 <CodeBlock> np
20:22:25 <skvidal> abadger1999: is there any way to cut down the volume?
20:22:29 <skvidal> abadger1999: or do we lose everything?
20:22:42 <skvidal> you know what... nevermind
20:22:48 <skvidal> I think nirik is right
20:22:48 <nirik> we have just 3 rhel5 boxes left I think now... app07 (which is only serving old community), bapp01 and xen04 (the xen host bapp01 is on)
20:22:50 <skvidal> for post pycon
20:22:55 <skvidal> let's etup a VFAD
20:23:02 <skvidal> so we can spend a day or two just unfucking this
20:23:03 <abadger1999> skvidal: we can cut down the volume... but we tend to lose some tracebacks -- and we aren't sure how to configure logging so that doesn't happen.
20:23:07 <skvidal> either via rsyslog fitlers
20:23:15 <abadger1999> <nod>
20:23:15 <skvidal> or by fixing the app
20:23:20 <skvidal> whatever is more possible
20:23:24 <abadger1999> Cool.
20:23:29 * abadger1999 heads out of room to lunch
20:23:35 <nirik> have fun abadger1999
20:23:41 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
20:23:46 <nirik> #info 2012-03-07 to 2012-03-14 - Pycon
20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-03-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices
20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-03-20 to 2012-04-03 - F17 Beta Freeze
20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-03-27 - drop inactive maintainers from packages.
20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-04-01 - nag fi-apprentices.
20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-04-03 - F17Beta release day
20:23:49 <nirik> #info 2011-04-03 - gitweb-cache removal day.
20:23:51 <nirik> #info 2012-04-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices
20:23:53 <nirik> #info 2012-04-24 to 2012-05-08 - F17 Final Freeze.
20:23:55 <nirik> #info 2012-05-01 - nag fi-apprentices.
20:23:57 <nirik> #info 2012-05-08 - F17 release
20:23:59 <nirik> That's what I have upcoming until f17 release day. ;)
20:24:14 <nirik> I'd like to get bapp01 replaced before beta freeze if we can.
20:24:29 <nirik> anyone have any other items they want to schedule or note?
20:24:58 <smooge> mailman password cleanup
20:24:58 * nirik listens to the crickets.
20:25:11 <nirik> smooge: ah yeah, are you gonna get that finished today? tomorrow?
20:25:27 <smooge> tomorrow.
20:25:33 <smooge> it should be a short set of things:
20:25:44 <skvidal> smooge: if oyu need help with spamming users yell at me
20:25:47 <smooge> 1) Email a list of people using seths spam-o-matic script
20:25:50 <skvidal> I have that spammer script which makes hatemail easy
20:25:52 <skvidal> oh okay :)
20:25:54 <skvidal> you know :)
20:26:09 <smooge> 2) Force mailman to do my will.
20:26:52 <nirik> cool. Sounds good.
20:27:13 <nirik> ok, anything else for upcoming?
20:27:22 <smooge> not from me.
20:27:44 <nirik> ok, on to this fun topic:
20:27:48 <nirik> #topic Ssh keypair changes still needed.
20:27:49 <CodeBlock> nirik: what special magic needs to happen to rebuild bapp?
20:27:54 <CodeBlock> bah
20:27:55 <nirik> #undo
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20:28:10 <nirik> CodeBlock: well, bapp01 has a bunch of one-off scripts that only run there.
20:28:27 <nirik> so, we could do a migration instead of a replacement, but I think we can probibly replace it ok.
20:28:47 <nirik> I'd like to wait until toshio is back from pycon to help putting out fires on it.
20:28:59 <nirik> then we just need to schedule a day and replace it and fix anything broken
20:29:07 <CodeBlock> sounds good
20:29:10 * mdomsch votes for "not next week"
20:29:45 <nirik> mdomsch: ok, when are you gonna be around? would be good to have you around too in case. ;)
20:29:53 <nirik> the beta freeze is the 20th. ;(
20:30:27 <nirik> I guess we could do the 19th...
20:30:37 <nirik> and back it out if it became a pain
20:30:54 <smooge> could we do a bapp02 built with el6 and see about putting it in replacement?
20:31:05 <mdomsch> nirik: I'm offline tomorrow 3pm, back Mon 3/19
20:31:34 <nirik> smooge: well we could, but it's going to be a lot more work... having to change what things point to and sync and such. I guess it might be worth it.
20:31:41 <dgilmore> not that it matters im taking tomorrow off
20:31:53 <mdomsch> nothing of MM points at bapp01
20:32:03 <nirik> mdomsch: ok
20:32:08 <nirik> dgilmore: cool. :)
20:32:21 <mdomsch> bapp01 is the source, it pushes to app* from there
20:32:27 <smooge> well I would say it would be a good way to see "what files are on bappX and what ones showed up on bappY and why are they different."
20:32:27 <skvidal> dgilmore: enjoy
20:32:38 <mdomsch> so MM would be fine with a bapp02, get it working, then flip over
20:32:43 <nirik> mdomsch: cool.
20:32:46 <skvidal> dgilmore: before you go - I was meaning to ask - do you have any thoughts on the buildvm boxes?
20:32:55 <skvidal> dgilmore: are they good enough for us to press forward with more of them?
20:33:09 <nirik> ok, I can look again at how much tweaking a bapp02 would be.
20:33:15 <nirik> #action nirik to look into possibly doing a bapp02 (rhel6) for migration.
20:33:27 <CodeBlock> nirik: more than happy to help with that too
20:34:00 <nirik> one other issue is that we would need to make sure to shut off things on bapp01 as we move them... 2 mirrormanagers both pushing to apps might be very bad.
20:34:22 <mdomsch> nirik: right
20:34:36 <dgilmore> skvidal: quick glance they seem ok. but i want to lookat setting up a heavybuilder channel first, and see how that plays into things, especially with the kernel teasm request yesterday
20:34:57 <skvidal> dgilmore: what do they want?
20:35:41 <dgilmore> skvidal: they are signing all modules at build time. need to look at running rngd or see how else we can make sure there is plenty of entropy for them to use
20:36:05 <dgilmore> skvidal: part of that is making a new gpg key at build time
20:36:17 <nirik> rngd is very easy to add. ;) I wrote up the puppet stuff for it, just didn't commit it.
20:37:15 <nirik> ok, we can continue investigating the bapp01 thing...
20:37:40 <nirik> skvidal: what was the next steps on those? we may want to hold off until we know about what hardware we have in the bladecenter.
20:37:58 <skvidal> not really
20:38:12 <skvidal> the x86-## <higher numbers> are not going anywhere
20:38:17 <skvidal> so what I wanted to do was
20:38:18 <nirik> true enough
20:38:25 <skvidal> lemme find the plan
20:38:26 <skvidal> one sec
20:39:21 <skvidal> take 2 more of the blades
20:39:26 <skvidal> turn them into 4 builders per blade
20:39:37 <nirik> ok, the bc02 ones?
20:39:40 <skvidal> yes
20:39:42 <skvidal> on bc02
20:39:47 <skvidal> and then 2 more blades
20:39:50 <skvidal> 1 of them one big VM
20:39:53 <skvidal> and the other 2 VM
20:40:00 <nirik> cool. well, whenever dgilmore is ok with you moving ahead...
20:40:12 <skvidal> ideally
20:40:19 <nirik> I've seen no issues with the current buildvms...
20:40:21 <skvidal> if we can move from the builders we have now over to VMs
20:40:31 <skvidal> then we can dismantle the x86## builders
20:40:46 <skvidal> and grow from there... depending on what we want to do.
20:40:53 <nirik> yep.
20:41:03 <nirik> lets revisit next week then? dgilmore ?
20:41:09 <skvidal> sounds round
20:41:32 <nirik> #info will revisit next week on more migrations of builders to vm's
20:41:36 <nirik> #topic Ssh keypair changes still needed.
20:41:41 <nirik> so, some background:
20:42:01 <nirik> we asked in october of last year for everyone to change their password and generate a new ssh keypair.
20:42:15 <nirik> we marked inactive those people who didn't do that in january.
20:42:30 <nirik> then we checked and a number of them had re-uploaded the same ssh key.
20:42:40 <nirik> so, we marked them inactive again and asked them to please change.
20:43:14 <nirik> as of sunday we had several who reactivated their account and didn't still change their key.
20:43:25 <nirik> I don't want to keep playing wack-a-mole here.
20:43:52 <nirik> I'd like to propose we mark these people admin_locked and ask them to come to us to unlock their account...
20:43:53 <dgilmore> nirik: sure
20:44:11 <nirik> can anyone think of a better way to deal with them? or counterproposals?
20:44:34 <skvidal> nirik: +1 lock them
20:44:47 <CodeBlock> ^
20:44:56 <skvidal> nirik: so dumb question
20:44:56 <adrianhannah> Agreed
20:44:58 <skvidal> who is it left?
20:45:17 <nirik> there were 9 as of sunday.
20:45:23 <skvidal> nirik: might be worth getting their contact info out of fas and chasing them down on the phone, if possible
20:45:33 <nirik> people who re-activated since the last time we inactvated them, but didn't bother to change their key
20:46:20 <smooge> well lets just clear their key
20:46:23 <nirik> I suppose, but I'm not sure I want to have a long phone conversation about 'you must do this'... but...
20:46:39 <nirik> smooge: then they just re-upload it again. ;(
20:46:40 <skvidal> nirik: I enjoy being intimidating to folks on the phone :)
20:46:42 <skvidal> nirik: kidding
20:46:47 <smooge> ok we put in my key
20:46:52 <nirik> skvidal: if you want to do it, thats just fine with me. ;)
20:47:02 <skvidal> nirik: gimme the list
20:47:02 <pingou> we should look for time-zone, making sure there is someone they can talk to if they choose irc
20:47:22 <nirik> skvidal: should be in email to sysadmin-main from sunday.
20:47:44 <nirik> or we can run it again... it's in cron on lockbox01
20:47:48 <skvidal> nod
20:47:51 <skvidal> I'll just run it
20:47:55 <nirik> cool.
20:48:14 <nirik> #action skvidal to bug people in this state. Any we can't reach will get another email, then be admin_locked.
20:48:28 <nirik> ok, anything else on this?
20:48:44 <nirik> #topic Tickets from Ages past
20:49:03 <nirik> ok, I thought I would have some fun and try and clean up old tickets...
20:49:21 <nirik> and just drop 1 or 2 a meeting so we can see if we can close them or do something with them
20:49:39 <skvidal> 'fun'
20:49:40 <nirik> we currently have 171 tickets, some of which are...very old.
20:49:49 <skvidal> got a link?
20:50:16 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/1?sort=created&asc=1
20:50:28 <nirik> this is the list sorted in created order.
20:50:38 <nirik> so, oldest ticket is:
20:50:44 <nirik> .ticket 116
20:50:46 <zodbot> nirik: #116 (Fedora Poll) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/116
20:51:10 <nirik> This was orig going to be a stand along poll for the front page, then a wordpress plugin, then... I don't know what.
20:51:49 <adrianhannah> There are several wp poll plugins
20:51:52 <nirik> we have a similar ticket for a survey app (althought thats slightly different)
20:52:00 <mdomsch> my ancient ones get a little better with the next MM push, if/when i ever get around to it
20:52:06 <nirik> adrianhannah: yeah. Sadly, we are no longer running wordpress. ;)
20:52:26 <mdomsch> mirror push waits on the FI message bus
20:52:28 <adrianhannah> Aha, that makes sense :p
20:52:35 <skvidal> hmm
20:52:39 <nirik> so, do we still want this? close it? rescope to something we could actually do?
20:52:50 <skvidal> this looks like threebean https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/151
20:53:06 <skvidal> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/506 <- just close this
20:53:47 <nirik> skvidal: I kinda thought 506 was nice to do... not that anyone has any time to work on that kind of thing. ;(
20:53:51 <skvidal> right
20:53:56 <smooge> I have a calendering one...
20:53:58 <skvidal> and it will almost immediately be out of date
20:54:31 <skvidal> nirik: so you'll be writing up a doc that will instantly bitrot, yay
20:54:39 <skvidal> s/you/someone/
20:54:51 <pingou> what about a wiki page ?
20:54:51 <nirik> skvidal: perhaps it could be autogenerated somehow.
20:55:01 <skvidal> nirik: from what? the pkgs we have installed?
20:55:18 <skvidal> nirik: I can dump out a list of pkg names on every system b/c.... that will be unhelpful
20:55:53 <nirik> yeah, not sure. ;(
20:57:09 * nirik reassignes 151 to threebean and updates it.
20:57:32 <pingou> #605 should be duable
20:57:40 <nirik> side note on the poll... I was pointed at http://www.primelife.eu/results/opensource/63-dudle
20:57:53 <pingou> check if the user is in more than one group, if so show the options
20:58:05 <nirik> pingou: cool. Would that be an easyfix type thing? or ?
20:58:31 <pingou> nirik: slightly above imo, it includes a db scheme change
20:58:48 <pingou> nirik: I had a web poll python based some time ago
20:58:52 <nirik> pingou: could you update that ticket with info?
20:59:14 <nirik> ok, we are running low on time...
20:59:47 <nirik> feel free to frob the older tickets as you all see fit... if you can get something moving or it looks like an easyfix, update it.
20:59:50 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
20:59:54 <nirik> anything for open floor?
21:00:01 <skvidal> I am going to bring this up on list
21:00:05 <skvidal> but I thought I'd float it out here
21:00:22 <skvidal> I'd like input on what people use/need/want from our config mgmt system
21:00:33 <skvidal> I've been playing with and adding some patches to another tool recently
21:00:38 <skvidal> and it has been making me think
21:00:48 <skvidal> about what we DO use versus what we need to use
21:01:02 <skvidal> and how complicated those can be to disambiguate
21:01:16 <skvidal> so I'd love to hear back from folks about what it is they want from config mgmt
21:01:24 <skvidal> what features are necessary
21:01:30 <skvidal> this is not about any specific tool
21:01:44 <nirik> cool.
21:01:54 <skvidal> I don't care about cfengine vs puppet vs bcfg2 vs salt - I care about what we're USING from those tools
21:02:25 <nirik> it might be worth mining our git puppet repo and seeing how many of each kind of statement there are? not sure thats easily greppable tho...
21:02:50 <skvidal> nirik: well I think it is reasonable to generate a list of requirements of basic requirements
21:02:56 <nirik> worth thinking about. yep.
21:03:01 <skvidal> my short list is this
21:03:06 <skvidal> pkg install/remove
21:03:11 <skvidal> file replacement
21:03:18 <skvidal> command execution
21:03:37 <skvidal> service 'chkconfig'
21:03:47 <nirik> groups of things? (ie, do all this on 'appservers') ?
21:03:47 <smooge> passwd setting/confirmation
21:03:48 <skvidal> process status checks
21:03:50 <pingou> stg vs prod ?
21:04:05 <skvidal> pingou: I consider stg vs prod to be an ANTI-feature, personally.
21:04:25 <skvidal> nirik: so is grouping something that's in the config mgmt?
21:04:31 <nirik> conditionals? if rhel5 {foo}, elseif AIX {doom}
21:04:39 <skvidal> nirik: or is grouping something that's in the tool that pushes the config mgmt?
21:04:57 <skvidal> nirik: so cases/conditions - what about templating?
21:05:25 <nirik> not sure. We seem to not like templating all that much, but I guess it's a feature. ;)
21:05:56 <skvidal> nirik: conditionalized actions?
21:06:06 <skvidal> ie: if file is changed then run this command?
21:06:10 <nirik> yeah, and related... variables?
21:06:23 <nirik> if bacula5 is true, do this
21:06:38 <skvidal> variables inherited from the system AND applied from the mgmt side
21:07:07 <skvidal> does config mgmt implicitly need to include some sort of inventory system or does it need to simply have access to one?
21:07:23 <skvidal> for example - if we moved to a different tool for the config mgmt but kept using 'facter' - just as an example
21:07:33 <nirik> I don't know that it matters... either way.
21:07:34 <skvidal> facter is the inventory system (to a limited extent)
21:07:37 <skvidal> ok
21:08:05 <nirik> one approach to this might be to look at our more complex machines... and ignore puppet and say 'what all needs to be done here to make this from basemachine'
21:08:13 <skvidal> nirik: +1
21:08:18 <skvidal> I like that idea very much
21:08:30 <skvidal> this came up as part of a couple of things I was working on this week
21:08:32 <nirik> then work back from that to see what would need to be known...
21:08:51 <skvidal> specifically trying to figure out all the places we would need to modify to make all of our http errorlogs go to log02
21:08:56 <skvidal> and to put it unkindly
21:09:00 <skvidal> it's a fracking mess
21:09:11 <nirik> yeah
21:09:21 <skvidal> so I started looking at the yaml catalogs in puppet for each node
21:10:03 <skvidal> and it's kinda ugly - but they do make it easier to see what _should_ be happening
21:10:25 <nirik> yeah.
21:10:30 <skvidal> the thing I've been playing with is called ansible (github.com/ansible/
21:10:36 <skvidal> and let's ignore what it's doing
21:10:40 <skvidal> b/c that's immaterial
21:10:44 <skvidal> but there is one bit in there I like
21:10:47 <skvidal> the playbooks.
21:10:59 <nirik> the nice thing about ansible (or something like it) is that you could write scripts in any lang right? whatever you like best?
21:11:00 <skvidal> essentially a description of what to do on the machine to make it 'right'.
21:11:12 <skvidal> nirik: yah - you write modules in whatever language
21:11:17 <skvidal> as long as they can execute on the remote node
21:11:20 <skvidal> that's all that matters
21:11:31 <skvidal> it pushes them all over to the remote system (using ssh/sftp) and runs them
21:11:46 <skvidal> and reports back results to the person calling them
21:11:51 * nirik nods.
21:11:55 <skvidal> but that's all the 'how they do it' bits
21:12:02 <skvidal> I was comparing a puppet recipe
21:12:04 <skvidal> to a playbook
21:12:15 <smooge> I have to head out to go to a school meeting.
21:12:20 <skvidal> puppet is describing the state
21:12:26 <mdomsch> !
21:12:27 <skvidal> whereas a playbook is describing what to do
21:12:34 <skvidal> mdomsch: ?
21:12:46 <mdomsch> typo
21:12:49 <skvidal> heh
21:12:59 <nirik> I guess there's kinda two parts here... 'is this machine the way it should be now?' if not 'how do I make it be that way'
21:13:13 <nirik> unless you want to just blindly replace files every run or the like.
21:13:21 <skvidal> well you don't have to replace all the files
21:13:23 <skvidal> like puppet
21:13:28 <skvidal> you can xfer a copy
21:13:33 <skvidal> diff the two
21:13:40 <skvidal> if they don't match, then the local one is wrong
21:13:41 <skvidal> replace it
21:13:43 <nirik> sure.
21:13:46 <skvidal> and take action accordingly
21:13:53 <skvidal> but, essentially, the assertion is this
21:13:58 <skvidal> the server is always right
21:13:58 <nirik> I'm just saying it seems like there's a 'collect info on the machine now' and 'act on that'
21:14:03 <skvidal> the node is potentially always wrong
21:14:08 <nirik> right
21:14:23 <mdomsch> skvidal: that sure sounds like puppet or chef to me...
21:14:36 <skvidal> mdomsch: I didn't say it wasn't
21:15:12 <skvidal> mdomsch: like I said - I don't want to hear about the specific tools - I'm trying to figure out what we USE and need to use
21:15:19 <mdomsch> yeah, ok
21:15:26 <nirik> anyhow, we are over time... so do post to list and we can continue discussions. ;)
21:15:31 <skvidal> ok
21:16:09 <mdomsch> new topic - S3 mirror
21:16:11 <nirik> #info skvidal to post to list and gather info on what we actually use in a Config mgmt system.
21:16:20 <nirik> mdomsch: oh yeah... go ahead
21:16:21 <mdomsch> I'll have to spin a copy of s3cmd private to FI
21:16:28 <mdomsch> until upstream takes my patches
21:16:37 <nirik> ick. Ok.
21:16:51 <mdomsch> I've got the mirror stuff working fairly well, a little heavyweight (md5 checks read all the RPMs in the tree)
21:16:57 <mdomsch> but functional
21:17:18 <mdomsch> I plan to deploy on bapp* when that's migrated
21:17:21 <nirik> cool.
21:17:48 <mdomsch> we had discussed here a few weeks ago running on releng* or secondary*, but a) bapp01 has the right mounts already; b) they're r/o
21:18:02 <nirik> yeah, I think thats best.
21:18:03 <mdomsch> that's all
21:18:13 <nirik> cool.
21:18:31 <nirik> #info mdomsch will be uploading a infra version of s3cmd until patches are upstreamed.
21:18:44 <nirik> #info will be deploying mirror sync on bapp01 once it's re-installed.
21:18:55 <nirik> cool.
21:18:56 <nirik> anything else?
21:19:07 <nirik> or shall we call it a meeting?
21:19:28 * skvidal has nothing
21:19:41 <rbergeron> "it's a meeting"
21:19:57 <skvidal> rbergeron: zing!
21:20:04 <nirik> rimshot
21:20:11 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
21:20:14 <rbergeron> :)
21:20:14 <nirik> #endmeeting
12 years, 1 month
Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-03-08)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-03-08)
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Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-08/irc-support-si...
Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:00:01)
* Week in review (nirik, 17:02:12)
* LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
(nirik, 17:02:12)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2208 (nirik,
17:07:08)
* Tickets (nirik, 17:12:35)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 (nirik,
17:12:36)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:12:47)
Meeting ended at 17:19:03 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (42)
* DiscordianUK (29)
* FranciscoD (25)
* che_ (8)
* Sonar_Gal (6)
* dailylinux (4)
* zodbot (3)
* VileGent (1)
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17:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-03-08)
17:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 8 17:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:00:12 <nirik> morning folks. Who's around for an irc support sig meeting?
17:00:20 * Sonar_Gal
17:01:05 * che_ waves
17:01:11 * DiscordianUK is
17:01:38 * FranciscoD is here
17:02:06 <nirik> likely a short meeting unless something exciting comes up. ;)
17:02:12 <nirik> #topic Week in review
17:02:12 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
17:02:28 <nirik> pretty normal week over all.
17:03:20 <DiscordianUK> Been quietish
17:03:26 * FranciscoD came in 3rd! yeah!
17:03:35 <dailylinux> nirik, you discuss every week about how the activity is on the #fedora?
17:03:39 <Sonar_Gal> FranciscoD, 4th
17:03:57 <FranciscoD> 3rd :(
17:04:13 <nirik> dailylinux: yep.
17:04:28 <nirik> anything to note over the last week... common support problems, etc
17:04:43 <dailylinux> nirik, ok. I see. What's this rating for?
17:04:46 <nirik> sometimes we can see a pattern of a bug or type of bug.
17:04:50 <DiscordianUK> ATI is a common issue
17:04:58 <DiscordianUK> at the moment
17:05:03 <che_> DiscordianUK, the proprietary driver?
17:05:12 <dailylinux> ATI grahpic card drivers?
17:05:14 <DiscordianUK> People using the ati one yes
17:05:23 <nirik> dailylinux: in the link above? thats number of lines typed per nick. ;) Mostly just a note of who is the most active.
17:05:24 * FranciscoD isnt sure what we can do about it
17:05:29 <che_> do they have problems with the rpmfusion packages?
17:05:37 <DiscordianUK> rather than the rpmfusion one
17:05:43 * nirik recommends against catalyst these days. Almost no one has good luck with it.
17:05:47 <dailylinux> nirik, yes. Ah, i see :)
17:05:48 <che_> ah script driven installs
17:05:54 <che_> nirik, it wfm
17:06:04 <che_> nirik, with a hd 6950 you dont have too much choice atm
17:06:15 <FranciscoD> the rpmfusion package has build issues or something, right?
17:06:21 <DiscordianUK> No people just go to ATIs site
17:06:22 * FranciscoD remembers reading something
17:06:26 <nirik> che_: I know about 5 people now who it works for, but see about 50 that fail to get it working on #fedora. ;)
17:06:38 <che_> nirik, send them to me ;)
17:06:45 <nirik> FranciscoD: yes.
17:06:45 <che_> nirik, i can check what the cause is i guess
17:06:52 <nirik> che_: ok. happy to. ;)
17:06:57 <DiscordianUK> The rpmfusion driver breaks with gnome3
17:07:01 <nirik> FranciscoD: yes.
17:07:08 <nirik> https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2208
17:07:09 <FranciscoD> well, someone needs to step up and take it up in rpmfusion
17:07:13 * FranciscoD is happy with nvidia
17:07:16 <DiscordianUK> We know that
17:07:18 <FranciscoD> never used ATI
17:07:29 <Sonar_Gal> ^^
17:07:38 * FranciscoD looks at the bug
17:08:21 <FranciscoD> hrm, I could try to fix it, but no clue how I'll test it without hardware
17:08:32 * FranciscoD wouldnt know how to test it even if he had hw though XD
17:08:33 <nirik> anyhow, any other things of note last week?
17:08:36 <DiscordianUK> I don;t see what rpmfusion could do
17:09:01 <DiscordianUK> They just repackage the ati stuff in a more friendly way
17:09:09 <FranciscoD> aye
17:09:31 <FranciscoD> nirik: I havent seen any issues on the channel
17:09:39 <DiscordianUK> I have
17:09:42 <FranciscoD> no trolls, no loss of temper (fortunately)
17:09:50 * FranciscoD listens to DiscordianUK
17:09:57 <DiscordianUK> quite frequently this week
17:10:08 <nirik> DiscordianUK: what issues? something you would like to bring up?
17:10:20 <DiscordianUK> Just the ATI thing
17:10:59 <nirik> ah, right, ok.
17:11:07 <DiscordianUK> The problem is that gnome3 doesn't work well with either the ati one or the rpmfusion one
17:11:27 <FranciscoD> anyone tested 17 with ATI?
17:11:28 <DiscordianUK> I can't point at any other common trends
17:11:34 <FranciscoD> how does that work?
17:11:40 <nirik> well, radeon works pretty well, but not so great on very new cards. (as che mentioned)
17:12:12 <DiscordianUK> I use radeon
17:12:33 <nirik> anyhow, moving along
17:12:35 <DiscordianUK> Though in fact catalyst works for me with XFCE
17:12:35 <nirik> #topic Tickets
17:12:36 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1
17:12:41 <nirik> no tickets this week
17:12:47 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:12:52 <nirik> Anyone have anything for open floor?
17:13:27 <DiscordianUK> I think the beta TC1 for f17 has shipped
17:13:46 <nirik> F17 beta has shipped, yes.
17:13:49 <nirik> alpha
17:13:50 <Sonar_Gal> DiscordianUK, Yes It has
17:13:51 <nirik> sorry
17:13:59 <FranciscoD> nirik: alpha, right?
17:14:08 <DiscordianUK> So are we gonna do normal trend for F17?
17:14:09 <FranciscoD> ah, yes, alpha
17:14:09 <nirik> yeah, ENOTENOUGHCOFFEE
17:14:18 <DiscordianUK> Sorry my error
17:14:31 * FranciscoD will update as soon as 17 goes beta
17:14:36 <nirik> yeah, our same process... we can start supporting things after beta.
17:14:42 <DiscordianUK> So support after we ship beta
17:14:44 <DiscordianUK> yes
17:14:59 <nirik> which is around a month out
17:15:01 <nirik> 2012-04-03
17:15:10 * DiscordianUK nodz
17:15:13 <Sonar_Gal> wow no tickets again this week
17:15:23 <DiscordianUK> yeah if it doesn't slip
17:15:42 * VileGent
17:15:58 <nirik> DiscordianUK: we shipped alpha on time for the first time in many releases. ;)
17:16:22 <FranciscoD> yay!
17:16:38 <DiscordianUK> I think adamw said it was the roughest alpha we've done in a while
17:16:52 <nirik> he did, but it seems about normal to me. ;)
17:16:59 <FranciscoD> yeah,
17:17:03 * FranciscoD is running it on virt
17:17:29 <DiscordianUK> So lets hope we make the beta deadline
17:17:34 <nirik> yep.
17:17:40 <Sonar_Gal> agreed
17:17:41 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will close out in a minute...
17:17:47 <DiscordianUK> and ship gold on time
17:17:55 <DiscordianUK> I'm done
17:17:56 <nirik> thanks for helping everyone, and keep up the great work.
17:18:16 <FranciscoD> do remember to update your aliases as f17 comes up :)
17:19:01 <nirik> thanks everyone.
17:19:03 <nirik> #endmeeting
12 years, 1 month
i18n meeting summary (2012-03-08)
by Akira TAGOH
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#fedora-meeting: i18n
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Meeting started by tagoh at 05:04:23 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-08/i18n.2012-03-0...
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Meeting summary
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* agenda and roll call (tagoh, 05:04:35)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-03-08
(tagoh, 05:04:45)
* F17 (tagoh, 05:10:16)
* ACTION: __anish__ will check browser testcase (tagoh, 05:21:25)
* ACTION: jni_ will updates font application testcase (tagoh,
05:22:49)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_i18n_font_application do
we still use system-config-language for setting language? (pravins,
05:23:29)
* ACTION: juhp will check langpack testcases (tagoh, 05:24:36)
* ACTION: tagoh will check input method testcase (tagoh, 05:25:49)
* Input Methods (tagoh, 05:31:42)
* Fonts and Rendering (tagoh, 05:39:02)
* LINK:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fonts/2012-March/001412.html
(tagoh, 05:39:34)
* need to think about changing monospace for Chinese:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fonts/2012-March/001412.html
(tagoh, 05:43:14)
* Open Floor (tagoh, 05:51:55)
* ACTION: fujiwarat to update ibus testcase (tagoh, 05:54:53)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800205 (VICODAN,
05:57:17)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799174 (VICODAN,
05:57:26)
* ACTION: fujiwarat to update docbeats for ibus (tagoh, 05:58:39)
Meeting ended at 06:04:25 UTC.
Action Items
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* __anish__ will check browser testcase
* jni_ will updates font application testcase
* juhp will check langpack testcases
* tagoh will check input method testcase
* fujiwarat to update ibus testcase
* fujiwarat to update docbeats for ibus
Action Items, by person
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* __anish__
* __anish__ will check browser testcase
* fujiwarat
* fujiwarat to update ibus testcase
* fujiwarat to update docbeats for ibus
* jni_
* jni_ will updates font application testcase
* juhp
* juhp will check langpack testcases
* tagoh
* tagoh will check input method testcase
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* tagoh (69)
* juhp (23)
* VICODAN (10)
* pravins (10)
* __anish__ (5)
* zodbot (3)
* fujiwarat (3)
* jni_ (2)
* dueno (1)
* lijli (1)
* paragan (1)
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12 years, 1 month
FAmSco meeting 2012-03-07 minutes
by Christoph Wickert
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-07/famsco.2012-03...
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-07/famsco.2012-03...
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-07/famsco.2012-03...
Meet you again next week
Wednesday, March 14th
at 22:00 UTC
in #fedora-meeting!
Regards,
Christoph
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#fedora-meeting: FAmSCo 2012-03-07
==================================
Meeting started by cwickert at 22:04:32 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-07/famsco.2012-03...
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Meeting summary
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* only four FAmSCo members present: cwickert, herlo, kaio_ph and herlo
(cwickert, 22:06:59)
* no regrets from the other members (cwickert, 22:07:07)
* Roll Call (cwickert, 22:08:23)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 (cwickert,
22:09:15)
* Swag shipping improvements (cwickert, 22:09:32)
* igorps and yn1v have joined the meeting, only gbraad is missing
(cwickert, 22:17:57)
* herlo suggested a wiki page with recommendations for swag wrangling,
possible good idea (herlo, 22:29:46)
* ACTION: herlo will write a wiki page with best swag working
practices (yn1v, 22:41:13)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/draftbudget/ (cwickert, 22:43:56)
* ACTION: cwickert to nag harish about confirming the budget
(cwickert, 22:49:04)
* New FAmSco election rules (cwickert, 22:49:42)
* FUDCon bids 2012 (cwickert, 22:50:42)
* FUDCon APAC will take place at Kuala Lumpur May 18th - 20th 2012
(cwickert, 22:51:38)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:EMEA_2012_Bid_Budapest
(cwickert, 22:58:01)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Paris_2012
(cwickert, 22:58:08)
* FAmSCo is overall very happy with the French bid but has 2 major
concerns: the timing and the overlap with OWF and the costs for the
venue which could be up to 10k EUR (cwickert, 23:17:13)
* FAmSCo likes the Budapest bid, too, but it lacks a lot of
information (cwickert, 23:32:08)
* ACTION: zoltanh721 to update the Budapest bid wiki page with numbers
on budget and other details (cwickert, 23:32:38)
* FAmSCo will revisit the topic next week. final deadline for a
decision is in two weeks from now, that is 2012-03-21 (cwickert,
23:35:26)
* ACTION: : all FAmSCo members to go through the new tickets on
https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 in track by next week
(cwickert, 23:38:49)
Meeting ended at 23:44:38 UTC.
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