Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2012-07-16)
by Bill Nottingham
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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-07-16)
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Meeting started by notting at 17:01:35 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-16/fesco.2012-07-...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (notting, 17:01:50)
* #889 Retire orphaned packages only after co-maintainers have been
notified as it happens in the nonresponsive maintainers procedure
(notting, 17:12:13)
* AGREED: notting (or other person doing this task) will CC:
comaintainers on orphan mails (notting, 17:20:29)
* #890 F18 Feature: KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.9 -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE49 (notting, 17:25:02)
* AGREED: feature KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.9 is approved (+:6, -:0,
0:0) (notting, 17:27:09)
* #891 F18 Feature: Eucalyptus -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Eucalyptus (notting,
17:27:28)
* AGREED: feature Eucalyptus is approved (+:6, -:0, 0:0) (notting,
17:29:42)
* #892 F18 Feature: GNOME IBus Integration -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration
(notting, 17:29:56)
* postponed to next week (notting, 17:52:59)
* #893 F18 Feature: GSS Proxy -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/gss-proxy (notting, 17:53:14)
* AGREED: feature GSS Proxy is approved (+:6, -:0, 0:0) (notting,
18:00:10)
* #894 F18 Feature: ibus-libpinyin -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ibus-libpinyin (notting,
18:00:24)
* AGREED: feature ibus-libpinyin is approved (+:6, -:0, 0:0)
(notting, 18:02:22)
* #895 F18 Feature: Ibus-Typing-Booster -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Typing-Booster (notting,
18:02:35)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/english-typing-booster
(nirik, 18:05:12)
* AGREED: feature Ibus-typing-booster is approved (+:6, -:0, 0:0)
(notting, 18:06:36)
* Open Floor (notting, 18:06:42)
* mass rebuild for F-18 scheduled to start this week (Wednesday)
(notting, 18:06:59)
* see https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/896 for discussion on
Fixing The Feature Process (notting, 18:16:43)
Meeting ended at 18:18:20 UTC.
Action Items
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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* notting (73)
* mitr (41)
* nirik (33)
* jwb (33)
* t8m (20)
* limburgher (17)
* mclasen (15)
* zodbot (11)
* gd (7)
* gholms (6)
* drago01 (3)
* abadger1999 (1)
* pjones (1)
* mmaslano (0)
* mjg59 (0)
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11 years, 9 months
Meeting Summary/Minutes from today's EPEL meeting (2012-07-13)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: EPEL (2012-07-13)
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Meeting started by nirik at 16:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-13/epel.2012-07-1...
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Meeting summary
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* init process/agenda (nirik, 16:00:01)
* python-werkzeug (nirik, 16:07:49)
* Overlap policy discussion part 27 (nirik, 16:14:27)
* LINK:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages
). (nirik, 16:18:18)
* will try and come up with a new proposal based on the RHEL5 AP ->
RHEL6 channels mappings. (nirik, 16:27:06)
* Misc stuff status (nirik, 16:27:15)
* Open Floor (nirik, 16:32:45)
Meeting ended at 16:39:07 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (65)
* maxamillion (16)
* ianweller (10)
* Jeff_S (10)
* zodbot (4)
* smooge (4)
* abadger1999 (3)
* rsc (2)
* relrod (2)
* densebits (1)
* tremble (0)
* dgilmore (0)
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16:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting EPEL (2012-07-13)
16:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jul 13 16:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
16:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
16:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname epel
16:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
16:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process/agenda
16:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge tremble dgilmore
16:00:01 <nirik> EPEL meeting ping abadger1999 rsc stahnma tremble dgilmore smooge nb maxamillion tremble Jeff_S HackMan
16:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore nirik smooge tremble
16:00:09 <nirik> any folks around for an epel meeting?
16:00:28 <ianweller> hi
16:00:32 <densebits> woot
16:02:06 <Jeff_S> .
16:02:09 <nirik> happy friday the 13th. ;)
16:02:31 <maxamillion> heh
16:02:37 <maxamillion> s/the 13th.//
16:02:46 * abadger1999 here
16:03:09 <maxamillion> I'm just happy its Friday, that means I get to sleep at some time in the forseeable future ;)
16:03:22 <nirik> sleep? whats that? ;)
16:03:47 <maxamillion> nirik: :P
16:05:05 <nirik> ok, so for agenda I have: our favorate overlap policy discussion, and some misc progress reports/call for help on various things I keep not getting to.
16:05:15 <nirik> anyone have additional items before we get started?
16:05:26 <ianweller> not sure if you have the python-werkzeug thread on the agenda
16:06:53 <nirik> sure, we can add that.
16:06:57 <nirik> anything else?
16:07:02 * relrod here
16:07:31 <maxamillion> nothing I can think of
16:07:44 <nirik> ok, shall we start with that then?
16:07:49 <nirik> #topic python-werkzeug
16:08:02 <ianweller> you switch to that and then my dog starts barking, oops
16:08:23 <maxamillion> coincidence?
16:08:24 <nirik> ha.
16:08:36 <nirik> anyhow, the discussion here was upgrading that in epel?
16:08:41 <nirik> is the new version incompatible?
16:09:51 <ianweller> the discussion is about upgrading it in EPEL
16:10:14 <ianweller> according to abadger1999 the changelog didn't look all that incompatible, mostly improvements
16:10:27 <ianweller> however i'm bringing it up under the incompatible policy just in case... so others can take a look
16:10:36 <ianweller> the package is also orphaned on the EL branch last i checked
16:10:57 <ianweller> was, until relrod took it
16:11:12 <abadger1999> It does have some incompatibilities.
16:11:16 <nirik> ok, so it's currently 0.6.2
16:11:18 <abadger1999> But it is mostly improvements
16:11:41 <nirik> so, my suggestion would be:
16:12:20 <nirik> a) build the new one and push it to epel-test. b) announce to epel-announce that it's in test, ask people to test or complain if there's issues, c) wait an extra long time in test, d) profit.
16:12:33 <ianweller> so basically the rest of the incompatible upgrade policy? :)
16:12:40 <nirik> yeah
16:13:11 <relrod> alright, I'll get it built/ready to be pushed to epel-test today.
16:13:36 <ianweller> nirik, abadger1999, relrod: thanks
16:13:46 <nirik> thanks for bringing it up.
16:14:27 <nirik> #topic Overlap policy discussion part 27
16:14:49 <nirik> So, I was hoping to sit down this week and re-read things and try and come up with a new proposal, but I didn't get the time to do so.
16:15:16 <nirik> I think the new info we have is a mapping of old RHEL5 AP to RHEL6 channels, which we could use to base things on.
16:16:00 <nirik> anyone have a proposal? or thoughts on next steps or ?
16:16:27 <maxamillion> I must have missed something, is there a link to this?
16:17:04 <Jeff_S> maxamillion: there is a few books worth of email exchanges on the EPEL list ;)
16:17:16 <Jeff_S> or was there something specific you missed?
16:17:32 <maxamillion> Jeff_S: is there a current proposal?
16:17:55 <nirik> yeah, basically, it boils down to: What is the EPEL6 policy on when to allow packages that RHEL ships in random channels.
16:18:15 <nirik> My last stab at it was:
16:18:17 <nirik> "EPEL6 will not normally ship packages that are shipped already in the
16:18:18 <nirik> following RHEL channels: os, optional, lb, and ha. Any overlapping
16:18:18 <nirik> packages must be to provide binary packages on arches not provided by
16:18:18 <nirik> RHEL ( following:
16:18:18 <nirik> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages ).
16:18:18 <nirik> Additional channels may be added to this list, based on a criteria the
16:18:20 <nirik> EPEL sig has yet to decide on."
16:18:35 <rsc> (since when is there a EPEL sig, again?)
16:18:36 <nirik> but there were people who still didn't like that.
16:18:38 <maxamillion> ohhhhh ok, yeah .. I remember this from a couple meetings ago
16:18:58 <Jeff_S> rsc: "when is a SIG not a SIG?"
16:18:59 <nirik> rsc: we started meeting again with this overlaps policy discussion...
16:19:44 <Jeff_S> I like what nirik just shared FWIW... we're never going to get something "perfect", and need to be flexible because, as we've seen, RH will keep changing stuff out from under us
16:20:14 <rsc> Jeff_S: sorry, I mixed up SIG vs. commitee. My fault.
16:20:16 <nirik> I think the main objections to the last proposal I had was that the list of channels seemed arbitrary. Why lb and ha?
16:20:23 <Jeff_S> rsc: np :)
16:20:49 <nirik> rsc: EPEL is weird. It's been a SIG, a subproject and a SIG again... I don't think it really matters. ;)
16:21:05 <Jeff_S> we like packages...
16:22:52 <nirik> ok, so I guess we try and add a new proposal on the list and discuss? or does anyone have anything on this to discuss right now?
16:24:05 * nirik listens to the crickets chirp
16:24:48 <Jeff_S> nirik: sure... I just think we're going to have an endless discussion :)
16:25:01 <Jeff_S> so let's get something that doesn't piss off *too* many people, and go with it
16:25:06 <nirik> Jeff_S: well, at some point we hopefully will mostly reach consensus and just do it.
16:25:09 <nirik> yeah
16:26:11 <nirik> I think we can try a proposal using the mapping of AP stuff... that should be less arbitrary, and more in line with things since thats what we don't overlap with in EPEL5
16:26:20 <nirik> but I need to sit down and figure that out.
16:26:24 <Jeff_S> seems reasonable to me
16:27:06 <nirik> #info will try and come up with a new proposal based on the RHEL5 AP -> RHEL6 channels mappings.
16:27:15 <nirik> #topic Misc stuff status
16:27:43 <nirik> So, I have a list of stuff that I keep not getting to... just thought I would mention them here if anyone wants to help:
16:27:56 <nirik> a) weekly broken dep reports.
16:28:22 <nirik> b) tracking down overlaps with baseos/optional (since we know we shouldn't overlap there) and filing bugs/getting them removed.
16:28:48 <nirik> So, if anyone wants to work on those, see me and I can fill you in.
16:29:27 <maxamillion> nirik: I might get with you on the overlaps for baseos and optional because I might be able to carve off some time or find someone from my team who could ... that is something that's rather important to us :)
16:29:38 <maxamillion> nirik: just going to depend on my schedule though :X
16:30:07 <nirik> maxamillion: that would be lovely. I have a partial list, but it needs to be manually checked thru, as it contains some packages that are in for the arch compatibility stuff.
16:31:05 <maxamillion> nirik: ah ok
16:31:26 <nirik> just takes time and I guess access to rhn to check each package.
16:31:29 <maxamillion> nirik: I'm sure there could be something about it scripted with a list from maybe koji and one from ftp.redhat.com ... or something
16:31:56 <nirik> currently the list I have doesn't take into account ppc64...
16:32:07 <nirik> possibly something could be automated there, hard to say
16:32:08 <maxamillion> hrmm...
16:32:11 <maxamillion> yeah
16:32:45 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
16:32:50 <maxamillion> I've been getting somewhat familiar with koji queries lately for some build automation stuff I've worked on for $dayjob ... I'll write it on my TODO list to revisit
16:32:53 <nirik> anything for open floor? questions, comments, flames?
16:33:11 <nirik> maxamillion: ok. cool.
16:33:40 <smooge> sorry for my delay in getting to the meeting
16:33:57 <smooge> I have a question for open floor.
16:34:11 <smooge> has anyone tested or looked at the mediawiki119 package in epel-testing?
16:34:23 * nirik hasn't. ;(
16:34:26 <nirik> well, aside from review.
16:34:45 <nirik> smooge: I think we should update stg soon and see what blows up...
16:35:12 <smooge> ok thanks
16:36:27 * nirik wonders if anyone else uses mediawiki in epel... they sure seem to be quiet if so
16:37:46 <nirik> ok, if nothing else, will close things out in a minute or two.
16:39:03 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone.
16:39:07 <nirik> #endmeeting
11 years, 9 months
Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-07-12)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-07-12)
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-12/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* Howdy Fedora Folk (nirik, 18:00:01)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:02:56)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:07:41)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:28:16)
* FAD (nirik, 18:35:18)
* cgit and gitweb-caching retirement (nirik, 18:36:40)
* LINK:
http://git.ao2.it/gitweb_cgit_migration.git/commitdiff/ae0a642af73350c149...
(nirik, 18:39:12)
* LINK:
http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/ibus-indic-table.git/commit/?id=0a4a64ee...
(nirik, 18:40:12)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:51:41)
* 2012-07-11 migration of last redhat.com lists (smooge) (nirik,
18:51:53)
* 2012-07-12 drop inactive apprentices. (nirik, 18:51:53)
* 2012-07-12 migration of lists.fedorahosted.org (smooge) (nirik,
18:51:53)
* 2012-08-01 nag fi-apprentices (nirik, 18:51:53)
* 2012-08-07 to 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 18:51:53)
* 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha release. (nirik, 18:51:53)
* 2012-09-11 to 2012-09-25 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:51:56)
* 2012-09-25 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:51:58)
* 2012-08-14->2012-08-19 PHX2 trip? (smooge, 18:52:37)
* md5/fips/etc. (nirik, 18:57:48)
* Open Floor (nirik, 19:04:54)
Meeting ended at 19:07:56 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (117)
* skvidal (111)
* smooge (31)
* abadger1999 (25)
* mdomsch (23)
* ianweller (9)
* lmacken (9)
* threebean (8)
* zodbot (5)
* jaysonr (5)
* relrod (3)
* rdieter (2)
* joshbenner (2)
* whiterhino (1)
* sdrfed17 (1)
* dan408 (1)
* dgilmore (1)
* ricky (0)
* CodeBlock (0)
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18:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-07-12)
18:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 12 18:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:01 <nirik> #topic Howdy Fedora Folk
18:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean
18:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean
18:00:16 * lmacken
18:00:19 * skvidal is here
18:00:32 * jaysonr here
18:01:16 * ianweller here
18:01:17 <smooge> good day sirs
18:01:19 * nirik waits a minute or two more for folks to wander in.
18:01:54 * threebean is here
18:02:40 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and get started.
18:02:42 * whiterhino is here
18:02:56 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
18:03:06 <nirik> If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices would like to ask general questions, they can do so here.
18:03:16 * abadger1999 here
18:03:36 <jaysonr> i started working on #3251...ran into some things getting fas running locally
18:03:37 <joshbenner> hello - looking to get involved with the infrastructure team
18:03:46 <abadger1999> .ticket 3251
18:03:48 <zodbot> abadger1999: #3251 (FAS openId auth, Accept should be on the right side of the cancel button) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3251
18:04:01 <jaysonr> I will e-mail the team w/ details, and ask for more help
18:04:13 <jaysonr> *team = infra list :)
18:04:24 <nirik> jaysonr: you can also ask in #fedora-admin or the #fedora-apps channels. :)
18:04:45 <nirik> welcome joshbenner. Are you interested in sysadmin type stuff, or application development/programming?
18:04:51 <jaysonr> nirik: will do - i got some help in #fedora-admin already :)
18:05:35 <joshbenner> programming. I currently work on build scripting in python and app development in c++
18:05:39 <nirik> sometimes folks are busy, but I think we do a reasonable job on helping anyone who asks in channels. ;)
18:06:14 * relrod here (late)
18:06:47 <nirik> joshbenner: great. we can point you the right direction after the meeting in #fedora-admin.
18:07:13 <nirik> any other new folks or apprentice questions off hand?
18:07:41 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:07:49 <nirik> any applications news this week?
18:08:26 <threebean> oh, nirik and I got SCM (pkgs01.stg) into fedmsg yesterday
18:08:36 <relrod> I am, by some chain of evens, now the maintainer of python-flask. ianweller and I are working to get flask 0.9 in epel.
18:08:44 * ianweller is still working on fedora-elections-flask
18:09:07 <relrod> *events too.
18:09:07 * skvidal watches the time tick away on ianweller
18:09:10 <nirik> threebean: when would you like to target moving stuff to production? perhaps draw up a timetable/schedule email to the list? or ?
18:09:10 <skvidal> tick tick tick
18:09:20 <ianweller> skvidal: btw, my 5pm, not yours :)
18:09:23 <threebean> (and I made a little screencast tour of fedmsg -- https://vimeo.com/45614749 )
18:09:32 <skvidal> ianweller: I thought it was 5pm GMT :)
18:09:50 <ianweller> 'pm' and 'gmt' in the same line, oh my
18:09:55 <skvidal> ianweller: :)
18:10:12 <threebean> nirik: I'd like to get fas nailed down in stg (working on it now) and then start moving over the small pieces like tagger first. I'll make sure to make a lot of noise before I touch anything in prod.
18:10:44 <smooge> ianweller, where is it currently?
18:10:53 <nirik> threebean: sounds good. alpha freeze starts 2012-08-07, so it would be good to have a stable bunch of stuff moved by then...
18:10:53 <ianweller> smooge: in my home directory on my laptop
18:10:55 <smooge> and what was the git clone for it?
18:10:59 <ianweller> smooge: goal is to push it somewhere tonight
18:11:06 <ianweller> once i have something useful to push
18:11:07 <smooge> ha! I meant in what status is it at
18:11:11 <threebean> nirik: damn, that's way sooner than I thought.
18:11:23 <ianweller> oh, lol
18:11:40 <nirik> threebean: it doesn't have to all be done by any means, just the part that is done is stable and such.
18:11:48 <ianweller> smooge: half of the admin is done, i got stuck in a loop deciding how to implement this before i decided "this needs more discussion later, just copying over how it's implemented now"
18:12:47 <nirik> is there any news on pkgdb or fas releases before the freeze? or still waiting on finding the time to do them?
18:12:51 <smooge> ah I know that loop so well
18:13:32 <smooge> for my app stuff. I am still helping our GSOC student with a limesurvey implementation. I think nirik figured out some sticking points and I will be trying to get a box testing it soon
18:13:51 <nirik> smooge: thanks for helping on that.
18:14:18 <sdrfed17> hi all, i am in for the meeting too.
18:15:01 <nirik> welcome sdrfed17
18:15:13 <nirik> ok, any other apps news? lmacken / abadger1999 / pingou ?
18:15:24 <abadger1999> nothing from me
18:15:32 <lmacken> nothing really...
18:15:48 <lmacken> blocking on legal for this summer of hardware app.. still putting the finishing touches on it too
18:16:12 <nirik> lmacken: how's your next week? could we schedule a tenative bodhi2.0 meeting next wed or something?
18:16:29 <lmacken> nirik: yep, let's do it
18:16:37 <nirik> yeah, that host should be all set but for the proxy stuff.
18:17:13 <skvidal> lmacken: do you or Mo have the final url you want?
18:17:35 <nirik> lmacken: pick a time this channel is free and announce it out. ;) Or if you pick a time and tell me I can send out an email on it.
18:17:42 <lmacken> skvidal: I think mo had apps.fp.o/openhw2012 in mind, but we probably want to confirm with her because I think she's linking to it already
18:17:49 * nirik would ping dgilmore and adamw at least to see if they could both make it.
18:17:51 <skvidal> lmacken: :)
18:18:10 <skvidal> lmacken: okay. keep us in the loop so we can help
18:18:29 <lmacken> skvidal: will do
18:18:32 <mdomsch> abadger1999: have you looked at shibboleth at all?
18:18:34 <lmacken> nirik: cool, will do
18:18:42 <mdomsch> it came to my attention this week on another unrelated matter
18:18:47 <skvidal> mdomsch: please don't make me die
18:18:59 <skvidal> mdomsch: I worked with/on shib at duke
18:19:07 <abadger1999> mdomsch: For auth? I asked about it at one poiint and got ^ that answer :-)
18:19:14 <skvidal> mdomsch: A good friend of mine works on it now
18:19:24 <skvidal> mdomsch: he has special medicine he takes
18:19:38 <skvidal> mdomsch: on the plus side
18:19:43 <skvidal> the major legal issue that USED to exist
18:19:45 <skvidal> has been overcome
18:19:47 <skvidal> which is nice
18:19:53 <skvidal> it used have patent issues
18:20:00 <skvidal> and a REALLY Dodgy license
18:20:01 * nirik hasn't really used it or heard much about it.
18:20:09 <mdomsch> internet2 is pushing it with their InCommon SSO project
18:20:09 <skvidal> nirik: it has been almost exclusively higher-ed
18:20:36 <threebean> RIT adopted it
18:20:43 <mdomsch> and our Dell Cloud properties are about to get I2 connections
18:20:56 <threebean> met some py developers on pysaml2 (which is *kinda* synonymous with shib?)
18:20:57 <skvidal> it's a federated authn/z infrastructure
18:21:06 <skvidal> threebean: s/synonmous/related/
18:21:25 * threebean nods
18:21:26 <skvidal> shib ends up being a set of compnents a shire(?)-provider
18:21:37 <skvidal> shit - I'm going to forget the other jargon
18:21:46 <mdomsch> k. just thought I'd ask, given FAS is going to need porting at some point, is there something else we could use as an Identity Provider and Service Provider framework
18:21:47 <nirik> so, if we looked at this it would be a fas replacement? or perhaps we could look at it from the side of interfacing fas with it? or ?
18:21:49 <skvidal> essentially - each site hosts their own auth mechanism
18:21:53 <skvidal> nirik: it doesn't do that
18:21:58 <skvidal> it fits in at about the same place as openid
18:22:05 <nirik> ah, ok
18:22:10 <skvidal> well openid + OAUTH
18:22:23 <mdomsch> IdP == accounts; SP == services that decide authz based on data from IdP
18:22:25 <skvidal> so if you think of each person as having a home authority
18:22:35 <skvidal> then if you are somewhere else
18:22:37 <skvidal> or on another website
18:22:40 <skvidal> you go there
18:22:44 <skvidal> you select your authority
18:22:47 <skvidal> you login to your authority
18:23:01 <skvidal> which passes back who you are and what your authZ is at that authority
18:23:25 <skvidal> and then the remote site you're trying to access can use that to determine what you get
18:23:39 <skvidal> it was started so that univ didn't up duplicating a billion user accounts
18:23:43 <mdomsch> we could go either way, with FAS as the Identity Provider, or FAS-consuming apps as Service Providers
18:23:44 <skvidal> when folks were collaborating
18:24:03 <skvidal> mdomsch: so - last time I worked on it
18:24:12 <skvidal> mdomsch: it had no local user/uid/etc provider of any kind
18:24:17 <nirik> so if this gets more popular, perhaps we look at fas providing auth for it like we do for openid?
18:24:29 <skvidal> so FAS-app consuming would only work for web apps, at most
18:24:44 <skvidal> it would definitely not work for any kind of local login - unless they've come up with some sort of uid mapper
18:24:45 <mdomsch> nirik: it's only interesting if you're federated with a group that's meaningful to your org it seems
18:25:00 <nirik> ok
18:25:08 <mdomsch> e.g. http://www.incommon.org/participants/
18:25:23 <mdomsch> which is "a bunch of universities and related research groups"
18:25:54 <nirik> well, happy to investigate more, perhaps on list or out of band?
18:25:57 <mdomsch> skvidal: I've seen reference to a PAM plugin, but seems unmaintained if it exists at all
18:26:15 <skvidal> mdomsch: the pam plugin only works for an up/down auth
18:26:21 <mdomsch> boo
18:26:24 <skvidal> mdomsch: you have to have some sort of matching local account
18:26:33 <skvidal> mdomsch: it's really a web-app auth mechanism
18:26:37 <skvidal> it came along before openid
18:26:43 <skvidal> and being a university thing
18:27:01 <skvidal> the amount of force required to break university inertia on anything is massive
18:27:09 <skvidal> several jovian planets, massive
18:27:33 <nirik> always fun.
18:27:42 <nirik> ok, shall we move on then? or anything more on this?
18:28:16 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:28:27 <nirik> news in the sysadmin side of things this week?
18:28:45 <nirik> we had rhel 6.3 updates + new kernel update. We will be scheduling some rebooting for next week sometime.
18:29:23 * mdomsch finally got s3-mirror-eu-west-1 functional a couple days ago
18:29:32 <skvidal> so - I've been moving ahead on the builders revamp
18:29:32 <nirik> skvidal has been working on easy re-install for koji builders.
18:29:40 <mdomsch> decent uptake of EPEL5 and 6; minimal uptake on anything Fedora
18:29:45 <smooge> RHIT did not contact me tuesday or wednesday about the mailing list change. I am going to ping and find out what I missed
18:29:55 <smooge> mdomsch, hurray
18:30:22 <mdomsch> smooge: what mailing list change?
18:30:26 <nirik> cool.
18:30:40 <smooge> EPEL from redhat.com -> epel(a)fedoraproject.org
18:30:41 <mdomsch> skvidal: have you given it an FTBFS run yet?
18:30:46 <skvidal> dgilmore is working on a module for kojira to let us maybe get out of the koji-admin builder disable
18:31:13 <skvidal> mdomsch: besides the one I did earlier, no - I've been reformatting boxes so we have as many builders as I can find
18:31:35 <skvidal> mdomsch: currently I should be able to come up with about 15 builders - I have to reformat some more x86 builders
18:31:54 <skvidal> mdomsch: looking good for kicking a ftbfs tomorrow
18:31:58 <skvidal> barring drama of some kind
18:32:04 <nirik> hurray.
18:32:22 <skvidal> nirik: I'll most likely be running the ftbfs from lockbox
18:32:28 <skvidal> writing to the netapp for the results
18:32:30 <nirik> ok, any other sysadmin news, or shall we move on...
18:32:34 <nirik> skvidal: sounds fine to me.
18:32:55 <smooge> nirik I am working on 2 issues currently:
18:33:05 <smooge> 1) following orders for osuosl01/phx2
18:33:19 <smooge> 2) getting sign-vault02 fixed
18:33:31 <nirik> cool.
18:33:32 <smooge> 3) hosted mailing lists -> hosted-lists
18:33:39 <smooge> 4) PHX2 trip in August
18:33:44 <smooge> for very large values of 2
18:34:08 <nirik> smooge: on 3... you were thinking of today, is that pushed back to next week? do you need anyone else to help poke at it?
18:34:32 <smooge> pushed back to next week. I was having problems rsyncing to hosted03
18:34:39 <smooge> I figured it out eventually.
18:34:58 <dgilmore> heya all
18:35:03 <smooge> heya dgilmore
18:35:05 <nirik> smooge: ok.
18:35:10 <nirik> welcome dgilmore
18:35:18 <nirik> #topic FAD
18:35:19 <abadger1999> smooge: what's wrong with sign-vault? /me hadn't heard about that
18:35:25 <nirik> abadger1999: it lost a disk.
18:35:31 <smooge> and no one can find it
18:35:57 <nirik> so, I haven't done much on the FAD. I need to do some more poking at it... will try and do so this week/early next
18:36:03 <nirik> smooge: ?
18:36:11 <abadger1999> smooge: Hopefully that's a joke... 'cuz.... signing ;-)
18:36:23 <smooge> yes it was meant to be a joke
18:36:40 <nirik> #topic cgit and gitweb-caching retirement
18:37:01 <nirik> so, I got cgit working and with some help from tmz when we hit a bug, it seems working nicely now.
18:37:16 <nirik> So, we need to retire gitweb-caching.
18:37:22 <skvidal> as long as descroptions are shorter than 245 chars
18:37:23 <skvidal> right?
18:37:53 <nirik> Should we just say "it's gone as of YYYY-MM-DD, and /git* will redirect to /cgit/ and you can search for what you want"
18:38:07 <nirik> or should we try and add in some redirects that help get near what people expect.
18:38:17 <nirik> skvidal: correct. or 254 or something.
18:38:40 <skvidal> nirik: yes to the date
18:38:42 * smooge wonders how that would deal with unicode.
18:39:12 <nirik> http://git.ao2.it/gitweb_cgit_migration.git/commitdiff/ae0a642af73350c149...
18:39:13 <skvidal> nirik: let's say 2012-08-30
18:39:28 <nirik> thats some long, ugly redirects people have used in such migrations.
18:39:31 <abadger1999> smooge: It's C so I suspect it'll work byte-by-byte
18:39:53 <skvidal> nirik: how about no to the redirs
18:40:08 <smooge> ugh. redirects are an ulcer and worse rolled into one
18:40:12 <nirik> http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/ibus-indic-table.git/commit/?id=0a4a64ee...
18:40:19 <nirik> seems to handle things fine in username
18:40:42 <nirik> yeah, if we do do redirects we probibly would have to keep them for a long time.
18:41:43 <nirik> so, I guess I'm ok with not doing them...
18:41:48 <nirik> but others expressed some concerns.
18:42:44 <mdomsch> no redirects +1
18:42:49 <smooge> I would expect that if we asked those people to maintain those redirects.. they would sing a different tune
18:43:05 * abadger1999 okay without redirects
18:43:26 * skvidal looks
18:43:28 <skvidal> nirik: so
18:43:32 <skvidal> a modest proposal
18:43:36 <skvidal> seriously
18:43:42 <skvidal> is there a way to go half-way
18:43:57 <skvidal> so - let's say someone has a gitweb url pointing to ibus-indic-table.git
18:44:06 <skvidal> could we get them to the same top level in cgit?
18:44:20 <skvidal> so - they don't have to dig to find the repo they were looking for?
18:44:51 <skvidal> so -don't worry about the rest of the string
18:44:54 <skvidal> just parse out the repo
18:45:02 <skvidal> or is that even too much disaster?
18:45:05 <nirik> yeah, quite possibly.
18:45:22 <skvidal> Translation rules
18:45:22 <skvidal> + #
18:45:22 <skvidal> + # Project is a straight redirect
18:45:22 <skvidal> + # ---
18:45:22 <skvidal> + # /?p=(.+)\.git; http://cgit.openezx.org/$1/
18:45:23 <skvidal> + #
18:45:25 <skvidal> + # Action requires a mapping
18:45:27 <skvidal> + # ---
18:45:29 <skvidal> + # a=(blob|tree) /tree/
18:45:31 <skvidal> + # a=(blobdiff|commitdiff) /diff/
18:45:33 <skvidal> + # a=commit /commit/
18:45:37 <skvidal> + # a=(summary) /
18:45:39 <skvidal> + # a=(shortlog|log|history) /log/
18:45:39 * nirik wonders how much skvidal is pasting.
18:45:41 <skvidal> + # a=tag /tag/
18:45:43 <skvidal> + # a=blob_plain /blob/
18:45:43 <dan408> fpaste?
18:45:45 <skvidal> + # a=rss|atom /atom
18:45:51 <skvidal> wow
18:45:53 <skvidal> whoops
18:45:55 <skvidal> sorry
18:45:57 <skvidal> that was supposed to be 1 line
18:45:59 <skvidal> /?p=(.+)\.git; http://cgit.openezx.org/$1/
18:46:01 <skvidal> that was all
18:46:03 <skvidal> that was supposed to be 1 line
18:46:07 <skvidal> sorry
18:46:19 <skvidal> anyway - my point is - a single redir to put them in the right repo
18:46:28 <skvidal> will probably keep some of the whining to a minimum
18:46:30 <lmacken> skvidal: are you on irssi? /set paste_verify_line_count 1 :)
18:46:31 <mdomsch> actually, even that much in a single redirect httpd.conf snippet might not be too bad
18:46:53 <nirik> yeah, I can do minimal I guess.
18:47:12 <nirik> so, is 2012-08-30 a good deadline? sooner? later?
18:47:46 <nirik> how about 2012-07-30 ? too soon?
18:48:26 <skvidal> nirik: it's 2 weeks - if the redirects are in place to go to the repo level then I'm fine with 2 weeks - though maybe a month is nicer?
18:48:58 <nirik> yeah, a month drops us in alpha freeze tho
18:49:06 <skvidal> not for hosted
18:49:39 <nirik> yeah, but for pkgs
18:49:42 <skvidal> nod
18:50:24 <nirik> lets tenatively try for 2012-07-30... I'll test redirects in stg/hosted01/02
18:50:37 <skvidal> okie doke
18:50:49 <nirik> anything else on cgit?
18:50:58 * nirik thinks it will be nice to not have gitweb-caching to deal with.
18:51:11 <lmacken> will that be the last perl app we have in production? :P
18:51:30 <nirik> not sure... might be. ;)
18:51:41 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-07-11 migration of last redhat.com lists (smooge)
18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-07-12 drop inactive apprentices.
18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-07-12 migration of lists.fedorahosted.org (smooge)
18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-08-01 nag fi-apprentices
18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-08-07 to 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha Freeze
18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha release.
18:51:56 <nirik> #info 2012-09-11 to 2012-09-25 F18 Beta Freeze
18:51:58 <nirik> #info 2012-09-25 F18 Beta release
18:52:01 <nirik> anything anyone would like to schedule or note?
18:52:22 <nirik> Id like to get the hosted03-> 01/02 migration attempted again, but after we do the hosted-lists move.
18:52:37 <smooge> #info 2012-08-14->2012-08-19 PHX2 trip?
18:52:46 <nirik> smooge: any idea when you want to reschedule those lists things?
18:52:47 <nirik> ok.
18:53:09 <nirik> smooge: that does put it in alpha freeze. ;(
18:53:59 <smooge> yeah.. I could look at the next week... but it can't be any later for budget reasons.
18:54:45 <nirik> yeah. So, how about the next week? of course if alpha slips we are still in freeze, but I suppose it's possible we don't. ;)
18:54:48 <smooge> or I could put it at the 07->12 and hope alpha misses a week due ot anaconda
18:55:18 <smooge> nirik, have we ever not missed an alpha? or had it go a week or two longer due to something
18:55:29 <nirik> I think once. ;)
18:55:42 <smooge> that was meant to be a serious question for once :)
18:55:45 <nirik> would the week before work? 30th-3rd?
18:55:52 <nirik> or is that too soon.
18:56:35 <smooge> when talking to RHIT people I got tentative goes for mid august but not before then.
18:56:37 <rdieter> smooge: f17 didnt' slip until beta
18:56:58 <smooge> rdieter, ah ok. alpha freeze isn't usually too tough. it is more of a slush.
18:57:11 <smooge> nirik, I will see if mgalgoci can make 30th->3rd
18:57:12 <rdieter> <nod>
18:57:17 <nirik> smooge: so, if 30th-3rd works for them we could try that... if not, how about 21'st, etc?
18:57:23 <nirik> sounds good.
18:57:48 <nirik> #topic md5/fips/etc.
18:57:59 * skvidal raises an eyebrow
18:58:01 <nirik> abadger1999: you wanted to note https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3358 in the meeting?
18:58:14 <abadger1999> yep
18:58:28 <nirik> basically folks want us to not ever use md5 anywhere. ;)
18:58:40 <abadger1999> got email from sgrubb that we should be moving to sha256sum instead of md5 for lookaside/sources/etc.
18:58:42 <abadger1999> yeah
18:58:52 <nirik> dgilmore looked at what it would take in fedpkg...
18:59:03 <abadger1999> FIPS is kinda beside the point but the original bugzilla was about that.
18:59:10 <abadger1999> <nod>
18:59:24 <nirik> FIPS is completely worthless except for one thing.
18:59:33 <abadger1999> dgilmore doesn't think it will be too hard. I let him know I'm available to do any of the work if he needs me to.
18:59:54 <nirik> is there anything we should worry about from a infra side here? or just keep our eyes out for the changes?
19:00:13 * skvidal hmms
19:00:29 <abadger1999> We'll need to add new directories to the existing lookaside and hardlink the existing sources files into the new directories.
19:00:52 <nirik> yeah.
19:00:53 <abadger1999> The upload.cgi will be updated to check sha256sums and write new content to sha256sum directories.
19:01:04 <skvidal> do we care about puppet, etc?
19:01:09 <abadger1999> Not sure if we should continue to support uploading new content using md5sums or not.
19:01:11 <skvidal> b/c puppet uses md5sums for file comparisons
19:01:18 <abadger1999> hmmm...
19:01:33 <nirik> we have no need for fips mode, so I would say we don't care.
19:01:42 <skvidal> ok
19:01:46 <abadger1999> skvidal: You'd need to ask sgrubb or bressers that.
19:02:08 <abadger1999> It probably wouldn't fall to us to implement changes, just consume new upstream updates if so, though.
19:02:11 <nirik> I would expect that they might be working with upstream puppet to add support for !md5
19:02:12 <skvidal> abadger1999: so - I have a hard time grokking a useful case for an md5sum collision
19:02:18 <mdomsch> s3cmd uses md5sums on the files being uploaded
19:02:33 <mdomsch> because S3 uses MD5 for ETags
19:02:37 <skvidal> again - while flame pointed out the concerns - it's hardly a common case
19:02:44 <abadger1999> mdomsch: <nod> I was thinking specifically about that when I made some of my comments o nthe bugzilla report.
19:03:05 <abadger1999> mdomsch: I think the answer is -- s3cmd wouldn't work in FIPS mode.
19:03:08 <nirik> I think this case needs us to act because end users possibly running FIPS mode might want to maintain packages.
19:03:19 <nirik> internal md5 usage for us matters less
19:03:25 <abadger1999> mdomsch: Which seems like, we're not doing it so upstream might need to worry about that but we don't.
19:04:04 <abadger1999> nirik: also that we're upstream for the software (upload.cgi and fedpkg) so we're the ones that would do the work.
19:04:09 <skvidal> ok
19:04:17 <nirik> abadger1999: yep.
19:04:30 <nirik> ok, anything else on this?
19:04:37 * nirik notes we are over time
19:04:52 <abadger1999> Nope, nothing else there.
19:04:54 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
19:04:56 <mdomsch> I could add sha256 recording into the metadata, just as I have added md5 recording. Easy enough. Not ideal though, because to get that metadata you have to do a HEAD call, where you can get an entire directory worth of files and their ETags with a single HTTP POST call in the API
19:04:58 <nirik> anything for open floor?
19:05:39 <nirik> mdomsch: wonder if it would be worth a mode for that? ie, default is md5, but --fips or --sha256 gets you sha256?
19:06:17 * nirik wonders as a side note if the s3cmd upstream ever merged any of mdomsch's changes?
19:06:30 * skvidal wonders if mdomsch is the new upstrea
19:06:34 <mdomsch> nirik: nope - upstream has been silent for months
19:06:45 <nirik> skvidal: yeah, no kidding. ;)
19:06:47 <mdomsch> I'm not the only one with forks - there are a pile of peole who have
19:06:58 <nirik> sad
19:07:26 <nirik> ok, if nothing else in a minute will close out the meeting. ;)
19:07:53 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone!
19:07:56 <nirik> #endmeeting
11 years, 9 months
Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-07-12)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-07-12)
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Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-12/irc-support-si...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:00:01)
* Week in review (nirik, 17:02:34)
* LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
(nirik, 17:02:34)
* ticket 107 - Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members (nirik,
17:04:38)
* ticket 121 - Rude Attitude (nirik, 17:04:55)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/121 (nirik,
17:05:10)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:08:06)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig#Members
(nirik, 17:10:59)
* bacon (dcr226, 17:12:56)
Meeting ended at 17:13:34 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (33)
* dcr226 (10)
* NiveusLuna (7)
* Evil_Sonar_Chick (6)
* zodbot (3)
* N3LRX (2)
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17:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-07-12)
17:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 12 17:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:00:09 <nirik> any folks around for a irc support sig meeting?
17:00:14 * N3LRX
17:00:32 <NiveusLuna> I'm not part of the support SIG... do I count?
17:01:00 <nirik> sure, anyone welcome.
17:01:04 * Evil_Sonar_Chick
17:02:23 <nirik> ok, many folks are out today, so I think we can just breeze thru stuff...
17:02:34 <nirik> #topic Week in review
17:02:34 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
17:03:01 <nirik> anyone care to note anything from the last week? common bugs? problems that are coming up, etc?
17:03:29 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> Nothing here I don't really pay attention to fedora
17:03:56 <nirik> it seemed a pretty typical week to me.
17:04:09 * dcr226 sneezes
17:04:34 <nirik> dcr226: sick? ;)
17:04:38 <nirik> #topic ticket 107 - Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members
17:04:42 <nirik> this is still on me.
17:04:48 <nirik> I'll try and get to it soon.
17:04:55 <nirik> #topic ticket 121 - Rude Attitude
17:05:08 <dcr226> Heh
17:05:10 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/121
17:05:22 <nirik> I think the reporter here was being _WAY_ oversensitive...
17:06:03 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> I agree
17:06:15 <dcr226> +1 fenris02, reporter wasn't making sense
17:06:16 <NiveusLuna> agreed.
17:06:20 <nirik> I think it's fine that they asked in #fedora, but asking in a java specific channel is much more likely to have given an answer.
17:07:17 <nirik> so, would anyone like to step up to answer the reporter and close the ticket?
17:07:32 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> which is what was recommended and ignored!!
17:07:34 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> I will
17:08:01 <nirik> Evil_Sonar_Chick: thank you.
17:08:06 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:08:11 <nirik> anything for open floor?
17:08:57 <dcr226> wait, shouldn't we have had an argument by now?
17:09:11 <N3LRX> lol
17:09:30 <nirik> No! I vehemently disagree with you about having an argument.
17:09:34 <dcr226> Heh
17:09:34 <nirik> </joke>
17:09:59 <nirik> ok, same time next week then... keep up the good helping.
17:09:59 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> dcr226, I can give you a good arguement if that's what you really want
17:10:01 <NiveusLuna> What's needed to join the support sig?
17:10:10 <NiveusLuna> besides heavy knowledge of all things Fedora.
17:10:14 <dcr226> Evil_Sonar_Chick, nah, I'm good ta ;-)
17:10:18 <nirik> NiveusLuna: nothing, you just join by helping out folks in #fedora. ;)
17:10:27 <NiveusLuna> Oh, there's no FAS group?
17:10:59 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig#Members
17:11:07 <dcr226> NiveusLuna, you help out, then someone votes you to reside in the ops channel, then someone votes you for op
17:11:22 <dcr226> (in a nutshell)
17:11:54 <NiveusLuna> ah
17:12:18 <nirik> the page should have the (somewhat convoluted) info about members, voting members and ops. ;)
17:12:35 <NiveusLuna> Yeah, it does. I read it. Thanks.
17:12:41 <nirik> no problem.
17:12:49 <nirik> ok, if nothing else, shall we call it a meeting?
17:12:56 <dcr226> #info bacon
17:12:58 * dcr226 runs
17:13:24 <nirik> ha.
17:13:31 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
17:13:34 <nirik> #endmeeting
11 years, 9 months
i18n meeting summary (2012-07-12)
by Akira TAGOH
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#fedora-meeting: i18n
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Meeting started by tagoh_ at 05:01:50 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-12/i18n.2012-07-1...
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Meeting summary
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* agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 05:01:59)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-07-12
(tagoh_, 05:02:12)
* F18 (tagoh_, 05:05:28)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Typing-Booster
(juhp, 05:11:23)
* ACTION: pravins to create the feature page for Liberation fonts
(tagoh_, 05:11:55)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/ibus-typing-booster/ (juhp,
05:13:31)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ibus-libpinyin
(juhp, 05:16:43)
* ACTION: epico to update Features/ibus-libpinyin with detailed tasks
and changing the default engine for Simplified Chinese (tagoh_,
05:23:31)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FontconfigEnableAutohinting
(tagoh_, 05:25:10)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration
(tagoh_, 05:31:34)
* ACTION: fujiwarat and juhp to improve Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration
(tagoh_, 05:54:41)
* Bugzilla cleanup (tagoh_, 05:56:07)
* Input Methods (tagoh_, 05:58:40)
* Fonts and Rendering (tagoh_, 06:00:35)
* Open Floor (tagoh_, 06:04:40)
Meeting ended at 06:15:36 UTC.
Action Items
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* pravins to create the feature page for Liberation fonts
* epico to update Features/ibus-libpinyin with detailed tasks and
changing the default engine for Simplified Chinese
* fujiwarat and juhp to improve Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration
Action Items, by person
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* epico
* epico to update Features/ibus-libpinyin with detailed tasks and
changing the default engine for Simplified Chinese
* fujiwarat
* fujiwarat and juhp to improve Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration
* juhp
* fujiwarat and juhp to improve Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration
* pravins
* pravins to create the feature page for Liberation fonts
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* tagoh_ (104)
* juhp (58)
* pravins (24)
* epico (12)
* fujiwarat (10)
* zodbot (5)
* anish__ (5)
* paragan (1)
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11 years, 9 months
Fedora Board Recap 2012-07-11
by inode0
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_meeting_2012-07-11
Meeting: Board meeting 2012-07-11
== Attendance ==
Present:
Eric Christensen
Peter Robinson
Robyn Bergeron
Garrett Holmstrom
Toshio Kuratomi
Jaroslav Reznik
John Rose
Nick Bebout (late)
Absent:
Christoph Wickert
David Nalley
Today's lucky secretary: John Rose
==Minutes==
===Announcements & welcoming new folks===
* Congratulate Jaroslav on his new role as Fedora Program Manager
===Follow-up: Release naming process===
* Come up with new processes for suggesting release names
* Concern that some proposals are too narrow to be "fun"
* Is "Having a theme" is a proposal or is "The theme is names of
trees" a proposal?
* Some think that having a new art theme each release makes Fedora fun
for consumers to "look" at each release.
* Critique about current proposals -- should include who/how names
would be chosen. For instance, with most theme proposals, there
really isn't a need for people to vote on choices like "redwood,
sequoia, or oak" every release
* Action: Eric Christensen to start conversation on the board list on
release name process and rules to be taken to the community for input.
===New thread: Clarifying fedora positions===
* http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2012-July/011709....
* Board is interested in listing the roles and responsibilities within
Fedora but doesn't see the value in specifically listing who is
employing them.
** Many roles are created by a person interested in the role, not
necessarily by someone being hired
* Action: Robyn and Jaroslav to document the responsibilities of the
Program Manager Role
===Secure Boot ticket===
* Topics
** FSF criticism of being able to run a non-third party dependent service:
*** Users should be able to run this without the MS key.
*** Be able to give people a key that they can import into their UEFI
*** Have a shim that is signed by our key
*** Questions about whether we can have the installer give the choice
or detect which signed shim was needed for a system that it is
installing on
** Legal documentation
*** What are our terms of service with MS for the key?
*** Multiple people unhappy with not having a document that lays out
ways that a key gets blacklisted, and so forth. Makes people worried
about that the key signer doesn't have to treat all signed keys
equally.
** Fairness
*** Desire to mitigate the unfairness to third party repos/remixes
where possible
*** Tools and documentation for how to generate keys in Fedora that
can be imported into UEFI
*** Answer to what pjones meant when saying we could build tools to
import keys (into the kernel?) and whether we can use that to mitigate
unfairness
===Open Floor / Your suggestion here / Who's got good news?===
=== Next meeting: IRC, 2012-07-18 ===
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings
[[Category:Board meetings]]
11 years, 9 months
FAmNA Meeting (11 July 2012)
by inode0
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#fedora-meeting: FAmNA
======================
Meeting started by inode0 at 01:00:35 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-11/famna.2012-07-...
.
Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (inode0, 01:01:05)
* Announcements (inode0, 01:02:44)
* new program manager, jreznik, HOORAY (rbergeron, 01:03:26)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:04:26)
* Tickets (inode0, 01:05:18)
* #26 (Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH) – FAmNA general
trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/26 (inode0, 01:05:52)
* #10 (Texas Linux Fest 2012, Aug 3-4, San Antonio, TX) – FAmNA
general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/10 (inode0,
01:09:09)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TXLF_2012 (inode0, 01:09:27)
* AGREED: TXLF 2012 Budget approved
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TXLF_2012 (inode0, 01:15:07)
* #23 (Community Leadership Summit 2012, Jul 14-15, Portland, OR) –
FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/23
(inode0, 01:24:29)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Leadership_Summit_2012
(inode0, 01:24:40)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Leadership_Summit_2012
(MarkDude, 01:24:56)
* LINK:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvE5AhSte7tVdDFIdV9fTTBXNFoy...
(MarkDude, 01:27:19)
* LINK:
http://www.econolodge.com/hotel-portland-oregon-OR102/Hotel-Photos
(bkerensa, 01:35:07)
* LINK:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvE5AhSte7tVdDFIdV9fTTBXNFoy...
(nb, 01:43:49)
* AGREED: CLS budget of $942 (3 rooms for 3 nights) and $290
(gas/parking for Nixie and Ryan) (inode0, 01:51:43)
* #24 (OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac -
https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/24 (inode0, 01:55:04)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSCON_2012 (inode0, 01:55:15)
* AGREED: Funding for OSCON 2012 - $357 (Sarah air fare), $1257.12 (3
rooms for 4 nights), $310 (gas for Nixie/Ryan) (inode0, 02:00:33)
* Open Floor (inode0, 02:02:32)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 (dan408, 02:04:02)
* LINK:
http://www.amazon.com/inch-Rectangular-Royal-Tablecloth-Polyester/dp/B004...
(bkerensa, 02:21:37)
Meeting ended at 02:23:30 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* MarkDude (135)
* inode0 (119)
* rbergeron (76)
* dan408 (29)
* kk4ewt (23)
* nb (22)
* award3535 (17)
* bkerensa (13)
* zodbot (8)
* quaid (6)
* graphite6 (6)
* suehle (5)
* nixiepixel (3)
* scientes (2)
* izdubar (1)
* Sonar_Gal (1)
* lcameron (1)
John
11 years, 9 months
2012-07-09 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson
As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120709
Next meeting is scheduled for 2012-07-16 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting.
If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please
add them to the Wiki page at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120716 . Thanks!
TOPIC: Anaconda new UI testing
=======================================================================
* snapshot image of the new anaconda UI is available for
testing, see [1] for instructions
TOPIC: Blocker bug analysis
=======================================================================
* bruno is still recovering from rawhide issues and hasn't had
time to work on this yet
TOPIC: Bodhi 2.0 design ideas
=======================================================================
* Luke and Johann weren't available, but nirik has asked
Luke to schedule a bodhi 2.0 sync meeting some time soon
TOPIC: AutoQA Update
=======================================================================
N/A
TOPIC: Open Floor
=======================================================================
* Bug #830482[2] is currently breaking boot for rawhide systems
with encrypted partitions, beware, adamw has pinged halfline
for a fix
ACTION ITEMS
=======================================================================
N/A
1. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-July/108798.html
2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=830482
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora
http://www.happyassassin.net
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