FUDCon EMEA 2012 meeting minutes
by Kévin Raymond
Hi there,
Please find bellow the meeting minutes[1].
Apologies, we moved to -meeting-1.
Thanks for reading.
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#fedora-meeting-1: FUDCon EMEA 2012
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Meeting started by shaiton at 18:03:31 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-08-02/fudcon_emea_...
.
Meeting summary
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* LINK:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2012-August/0038...
(shaiton, 18:10:03)
* hotel (shaiton, 18:11:06)
* LINK:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2012-June/003699...
(shaiton, 18:12:46)
* LINK:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2012-June/003715...
(rbergeron, 18:13:51)
* LINK:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2012-June/003716...
(rbergeron, 18:15:05)
* ACTION: rbergeron to make the hotel reservation announcement to the
announce mailing list (once funding is open) (shaiton, 18:17:38)
* ACTION: pingou to blog post about the hotel reservation (shaiton,
18:17:50)
* ACTION: shaiton to get the number of reservation already made
(shaiton, 18:18:34)
* funding (shaiton, 18:20:31)
* for subsidy purpose - a total stay for one person is EUR122 (3
days), 40,5EUR per person per night (rbergeron, 18:29:55)
* room cost is EUR81 per night; people expected for 3 nights total
(rbergeron, 18:30:11)
* LINK:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Paris_2012#Budget_summary
(shaiton, 18:31:03)
* ACTION: shaiton to make budget needs clear (shaiton, 18:32:16)
* ACTION: rbergeorn to open subsidies tomorrow (aug. 3) and close on
aug. 15, send an announcement+reminder on hotels tomorrow.
(rbergeron, 18:36:40)
* design (shaiton, 18:38:05)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/233 (shaiton,
18:38:08)
* ACTION: shaiton to ping the design team (shaiton, 18:38:51)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fudcon_paris11_draft.png
(eseyman, 18:41:16)
* ACTION: eseyman to add the above pics on the design ticket
(shaiton, 18:43:25)
* other tasks (shaiton, 18:43:31)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process#FUDcon_Team_Ge...
(shaiton, 18:44:01)
* LINK: http://www.openworldforum.org/en/Schedule (shaiton,
18:49:31)
* ACTION: shaiton to call Constance and see how to deal with
translations (shaiton, 18:50:39)
* ACTION: (shaiton, 18:52:00)
* ACTION: shaiton sponsors (shaiton, 18:52:09)
* ACTION: shaiton to update our schedule about OWF and FUDCon TODOs
(shaiton, 19:01:17)
* ACTION: shaiton to add the Free Amazing Topic Proposal on the
registration wiki page (shaiton, 19:09:56)
* HELP: everyone, you will then be able to add your wishes there! see
^ (shaiton, 19:10:18)
* Open Floor (shaiton, 19:10:29)
* ACTION: pingou to confirm the meeting time (shaiton, 19:13:02)
Meeting ended at 19:13:57 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* rbergeron to make the hotel reservation announcement to the announce
mailing list (once funding is open)
* pingou to blog post about the hotel reservation
* shaiton to get the number of reservation already made
* shaiton to make budget needs clear
* rbergeorn to open subsidies tomorrow (aug. 3) and close on aug. 15,
send an announcement+reminder on hotels tomorrow.
* shaiton to ping the design team
* eseyman to add the above pics on the design ticket
* shaiton to call Constance and see how to deal with translations
*
* shaiton sponsors
* shaiton to update our schedule about OWF and FUDCon TODOs
* shaiton to add the Free Amazing Topic Proposal on the registration
wiki page
* pingou to confirm the meeting time
Action Items, by person
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* eseyman
* eseyman to add the above pics on the design ticket
* pingou
* pingou to blog post about the hotel reservation
* pingou to confirm the meeting time
* rbergeron
* rbergeron to make the hotel reservation announcement to the announce
mailing list (once funding is open)
* shaiton
* shaiton to get the number of reservation already made
* shaiton to make budget needs clear
* shaiton to ping the design team
* shaiton to call Constance and see how to deal with translations
* shaiton sponsors
* shaiton to update our schedule about OWF and FUDCon TODOs
* shaiton to add the Free Amazing Topic Proposal on the registration
wiki page
* **UNASSIGNED**
* rbergeorn to open subsidies tomorrow (aug. 3) and close on aug. 15,
send an announcement+reminder on hotels tomorrow.
*
People Present (lines said)
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* shaiton (130)
* rbergeron (92)
* pingou (19)
* eseyman (13)
* zodbot (10)
* number80 (4)
* thunderbirdtr (3)
* kwizart (2)
* zoltanh7211 (1)
[1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-08-02/fudcon_em...
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Kévin Raymond
(Shaiton)
11 years, 8 months
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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-08-02)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-08-02)
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-02/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* Ola! (nirik, 18:00:00)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:05:50)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:11:43)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:23:20)
* getting our private cloud machines setup. (nirik, 18:23:45)
* updated bios and IMM in all the servers. (nirik, 18:23:55)
* decomissioned some old servers (nirik, 18:24:04)
* inventory and labeling (nirik, 18:24:23)
* cleaning out some bad tapes from the tape library. (nirik,
18:24:34)
* mediawiki upgraded from 116 to 119 (nirik, 18:24:47)
* gitweb-caching removed in favor of cgit (nirik, 18:24:57)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:28:29)
* 2012-07-30 to 2012-08-03 PHX2 trip for smooge (nirik, 18:28:40)
* 2012-08-07 to 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 18:28:40)
* 2012-08-08 drop inactive apprentices. (nirik, 18:28:40)
* 2012-08-08 hosted03-> hosted01/02 migration (tenative) (nirik,
18:28:40)
* 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha release. (nirik, 18:28:40)
* 2012-08-31 end of 2nd quarter (nirik, 18:28:41)
* 2012-09-11 to 2012-09-25 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:28:43)
* 2012-09-25 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:28:45)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:32:24)
Meeting ended at 18:38:47 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (81)
* pingou (22)
* mahrud (10)
* puiterwijk (10)
* abadger1999 (9)
* relrod (8)
* zodbot (5)
* lmacken (4)
* threebean (3)
* tensov_ (3)
* urlugal (2)
* jds2001 (2)
* OzBorne (1)
* mdomsch (1)
* shaiton (1)
* tflink (1)
* smooge (0)
* ricky (0)
* skvidal (0)
* dgilmore (0)
* CodeBlock (0)
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18:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-08-02)
18:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 2 18:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:00 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:00 <nirik> #topic Ola!
18:00:00 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean
18:00:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean
18:00:38 * threebean is here
18:01:14 * abadger1999 here
18:01:33 * pingou here
18:01:39 * puiterwijk here
18:01:42 * tflink is around
18:02:11 * lmacken
18:02:13 <pingou> nirik: isn't infra at 19utc ?
18:02:22 <mdomsch> this is right
18:02:42 <nirik> pingou: nope...
18:02:52 <pingou> ok, then I have two meetings at the same time :)
18:02:53 <nirik> it was for a time, we moved it back
18:03:30 <OzBorne> Ola was a french trademark of a gsm operator
18:03:36 <pingou> nirik: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel we should update the page then
18:03:58 * relrod here
18:04:20 <nirik> pingou: ah, missed that one.
18:04:26 <nirik> it's so out of date in other places. ;(
18:04:53 * shaiton is sending a note, FUDCon EMEA meeting on #fedora-meeting-1 now, as the wiki/Meeting_channel is not up to date…
18:05:15 <nirik> sorry about that shaiton
18:05:50 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
18:06:02 <nirik> If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices would like to ask general questions, they can do so here.
18:06:06 <pingou> Aurelien couldn't make it tonight
18:06:14 <tensov_> Hi
18:06:19 <urlugal> Hi
18:06:25 <tensov_> I'd like to introduce myself
18:06:43 <puiterwijk> Hi, I have been too late next week and would like to introduce myself
18:07:11 <tensov_> I'm Unai from Bilbao (spain) and it would be great to help as much as I can
18:07:12 <urlugal> I work in network operations at a FOIP company and want to get involved in working on the site and the wiki.
18:07:12 <nirik> go ahead all... and welcome.
18:08:14 <puiterwijk> I am currently a student from the Netherlands, and have been coding already last week for infra, and would like to continue to help
18:08:30 <nirik> excellent.
18:08:46 <pingou> puiterwijk: nice, where ?
18:09:06 <nirik> please do chime in on our other channels: #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc or #fedora-apps... we can point you to things to get you started and such after the meeting.
18:09:27 <puiterwijk> pingou: Well, I have been working mostly with the services (web) part until now, and scripting (admin-scripts)
18:09:44 <pingou> puiterwijk: where in the NL ? We might be neighbour
18:09:52 <puiterwijk> pingou: In Utrecht
18:09:58 <pingou> puiterwijk: we 30min away
18:10:01 <pingou> +'re
18:10:27 <nirik> cool.
18:10:29 <pingou> puiterwijk: Wageningen here
18:10:44 <puiterwijk> pingou: cool :) I pass by Wageningen on the way to university every day :) (Nijmegen)
18:10:55 <pingou> puiterwijk: we should meet :)
18:11:35 <puiterwijk> pingou: agreed over here :) I'll talk to you in #fedora-admin after the meeting ;)
18:11:40 <nirik> ok, welcome all new folks. do see us after the meeting in admin and we can sort things out. ;)
18:11:43 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:11:52 <nirik> so, new application news or plans from last week or upcoming?
18:12:04 <nirik> threebean / lmacken / abadger1999 / pingou / ianweller
18:12:09 <pingou> I've arranged a phone conf with Aurelien tomorrow about HK/KS
18:12:22 <abadger1999> pingou: Grat!
18:12:25 <abadger1999> GReat!
18:12:40 <lmacken> I'm working on getting a new bodhi1 release into staging today. I merged a lot of patches from till, bochecha, and the fedmsg branch from threebean.
18:12:54 <nirik> note that we start F18 alpha freeze next tuesday.
18:12:57 <abadger1999> pingou: what time is that?
18:12:59 * lmacken wants to do a bunch of testing before pushing it to production
18:13:05 <pingou> abadger1999: early afternoon CEST time
18:13:07 <nirik> lmacken: excellent.
18:13:13 <pingou> abadger1999: want to make it later so you can join ?
18:13:16 <threebean> fedmsg stuff here.. I wrote a note to the infra list about the pieces I'm hoping to get into production before Tuesday.
18:13:35 <threebean> abadger1999 helped today with the stuff on pkgs01. almost done!
18:13:37 <nirik> threebean: yeah, saw that. Hopefully it will go smoothly.
18:14:10 <abadger1999> pingou: even if I can't be on the phone, I might be able to be around on IRC.
18:14:13 <abadger1999> pingou: It's friday tomorrow, so unless it conflicts with something today, I can stay up or wake up early.
18:14:36 <pingou> abadger1999: we can also just postpone it by 2h so you are awake
18:14:42 <abadger1999> heh :-)
18:14:56 <pingou> abadger1999: I don't think that would be a problem (if we have something to make phone conf with 3 ppl)
18:15:47 <nirik> abadger1999 / relrod: was the plan for fas release to be after the freeze? or before? or with an exception in freeze?
18:16:03 * nirik will be right back, have to step away for a sec.
18:16:13 <abadger1999> pingou: I think RH has the capability to run conf calls in France and US. Maybe we can ask spot about that after the meeting.
18:16:45 <relrod> nirik: Was going to be before but we decided to wait until after because there's a few things we still want to add (like completed translations and a few extra patches from the fas trac)
18:16:56 <pingou> abadger1999: sounds nice :)
18:17:09 <pingou> abadger1999: and it would become handy for us in the future I believe
18:17:41 <abadger1999> <nod>
18:18:14 <nirik> relrod: sounds good. thanks.
18:18:17 <nirik> ok, any more apps news?
18:18:19 <relrod> Somewhat relevant to app discussion: I've marked python-werkzeug 0.8.3 as stable for EPEL 6 last night
18:18:28 <relrod> which puts us a bit closer to having Flask in EPEL
18:18:34 <pingou> relrod: what is left ?
18:19:38 <relrod> pingou: Well - going to probably push Flask 0.9 to testing today or tomorrow
18:19:52 <pingou> relrod: sweet, please ping me when it's on testing
18:19:58 <relrod> pingou: will do
18:20:02 <puiterwijk> more FAS news from me: I have coded the security question system, which is in staging right now
18:20:19 <nirik> puiterwijk: thanks for working on that.
18:20:39 <pingou> puiterwijk: the idea is to be able to retrieve its account through the question ?
18:21:02 <puiterwijk> pingou: yes, the user can email the admins, who can decode the (encrypted) answer to verify it is indeed the owner of the account
18:21:28 <puiterwijk> for example if he loses access to his original email account (employee switch, etc)
18:21:29 <pingou> puiterwijk: sweet
18:21:29 <nirik> another way of getting your account back if you don't control the email it's tied to
18:21:54 <mahrud> I saw an email in the mailing list about s3, *just a reminder*
18:22:03 <jds2001> are we going to shout from the rooftops "hey, go put your question in
18:22:06 <jds2001> ??
18:22:18 <nirik> jds2001: yeah, once it's deployed we should.
18:22:41 <nirik> mahrud: good point. s3cmd is looking for a new maintainer(s)... please see the list posting and/or mdomsch if you are interested.
18:23:10 <nirik> ok, moving on... ?
18:23:20 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:23:29 <nirik> tons of things this week in the sysadmin side of things...
18:23:37 <nirik> smooge is out at our main datacenter this week.
18:23:45 <nirik> #info getting our private cloud machines setup.
18:23:55 <nirik> #info updated bios and IMM in all the servers.
18:24:04 <nirik> #info decomissioned some old servers
18:24:23 <nirik> #info inventory and labeling
18:24:34 <nirik> #info cleaning out some bad tapes from the tape library.
18:24:39 <nirik> Additionally, this week...
18:24:47 <nirik> #info mediawiki upgraded from 116 to 119
18:24:57 <nirik> #info gitweb-caching removed in favor of cgit
18:25:10 <nirik> There are still some redirects we need to fix up for the gitweb migration.
18:25:56 <nirik> any other upcoming or recent sysadmin stuff to note?
18:26:01 <mahrud> nirik: also you might want to post it on devel-maillist, apparently some folks there didn't hear it from infra-list
18:26:20 <nirik> mahrud: I did actually post there too. ;) I can post another followup that it's done.
18:26:33 <nirik> I'm going to also be making a 'fedorahosted-announce' list...
18:26:46 <nirik> so we can more easily notify hosted folks of any upcoming changes or issues.
18:27:06 <mahrud> cool
18:27:43 <nirik> also, skvidal has been working some more on buildsys stuff... moving closer to a way to easily build and produce repos for folks.
18:28:08 <nirik> ok, I think thats mostly it...
18:28:18 <nirik> #topic topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:28:23 <nirik> #undo
18:28:23 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x1a74bc10>
18:28:29 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:28:40 <nirik> #info 2012-07-30 to 2012-08-03 PHX2 trip for smooge
18:28:40 <nirik> #info 2012-08-07 to 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha Freeze
18:28:40 <nirik> #info 2012-08-08 drop inactive apprentices.
18:28:40 <nirik> #info 2012-08-08 hosted03-> hosted01/02 migration (tenative)
18:28:40 <nirik> #info 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha release.
18:28:41 <nirik> #info 2012-08-31 end of 2nd quarter
18:28:43 <nirik> #info 2012-09-11 to 2012-09-25 F18 Beta Freeze
18:28:45 <nirik> #info 2012-09-25 F18 Beta release
18:28:52 <nirik> I might move the hosted migration later, since we have been doing so much to hosted of late.
18:29:02 <nirik> any other upcoming items or tasks folks would like to note?
18:29:40 <relrod> nirik: is there anything on the agenda for "get this done before the freeze in less than a week"
18:30:07 <nirik> I think threebean is hoping to land some fedmesg stuff.
18:30:24 <nirik> lmacken: are you going to try and get bodh1 update out before freeze?
18:30:46 <lmacken> nirik: yeah, hopefully
18:30:54 <nirik> ok.
18:31:15 <nirik> I don't think there's much else we wanted to land before freeze...
18:31:19 <nirik> at least that I can think of
18:31:34 <relrod> alright
18:32:24 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:32:32 <nirik> anything for open floor? questions? comments?
18:33:29 <mahrud> there are many nice tickets in the trac that haven't moved for months
18:33:51 <nirik> yeah, we should probibly make another pass and purge some that never got answers to questions, etc.
18:34:36 <nirik> ok, if nothing else, then we will close out here in a minute.
18:34:44 <mahrud> cool, I especially liked the ones about selinux, but apprentices don't have access to audit logs
18:35:09 <nirik> mahrud: acutally, I think I can get you those if you want to work on it...
18:35:11 <mahrud> nirik: is that dangerous if you increase the permissions on audit logs?
18:35:21 <nirik> we have a daily report that goes out with avcs
18:35:22 <mahrud> nirik: great! thanks!
18:35:37 <mahrud> avcs?
18:35:50 <nirik> if we can reduce those or see hosts that don't have any but aren't enforcing, we can set them to enforcing.
18:36:25 <nirik> forget what it stands for... but a denial.
18:36:32 <nirik> Or would be a denial if it was enforcing.
18:36:50 <mahrud> permissive?
18:37:03 <nirik> yeah, many of our hosts are in permissive mode... some are enforcing.
18:37:27 <mahrud> yeah, I can help with that a lot I think
18:37:32 <nirik> excellent.
18:37:51 <nirik> ok, anything else, or shall we call it a meeting?
18:38:45 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone
18:38:47 <nirik> #endmeeting
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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-08-02)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-08-02)
=============================================
Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:14 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-02/irc-support-si...
.
Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:00:15)
* Week in review (nirik, 17:01:42)
* LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
(nirik, 17:01:42)
* ticket 122: #fedora irc bot requests feedback too often (nirik,
17:02:51)
* AGREED: will keep the frequency as is, alternate wording welcome for
review. (nirik, 17:06:30)
* ticket 123: not being felt welcomed in IRC, might not come back
(nirik, 17:06:49)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/123 (nirik,
17:07:10)
* LINK: http://fpaste.org/6moY/ (EvilBob, 17:17:32)
* AGREED: we thank them for the feedback... tell them that Discordian
is sorry if they were upset, and to try and relax and not focus on
single people if they are upset by them (nirik, 17:23:18)
* ticket 118: Invite FranciscoD to #fedora-ops (nirik, 17:24:24)
* ACTION: nirik will close ticket, new one can be opened if desired.
(nirik, 17:25:40)
* ticket 124: Uban request (nirik, 17:25:50)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/110 (nirik,
17:28:07)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:40:15)
Meeting ended at 17:43:38 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* nirik will close ticket, new one can be opened if desired.
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* nirik
* nirik will close ticket, new one can be opened if desired.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (67)
* EvilBob (59)
* OzBorne (35)
* Discordian (21)
* pingou (19)
* Sonar_Gal (14)
* vwbusguy (7)
* nanonyme (6)
* |N3LRX| (4)
* zodbot (3)
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17:00:14 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-08-02)
17:00:14 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 2 17:00:14 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:00:14 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:00:15 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:00:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:00:15 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:23 <nirik> who all is around for a irc support sig meeting?
17:00:27 * |N3LRX|
17:00:31 * OzBorne
17:00:33 * Discordian is
17:00:38 * EvilBob
17:00:46 * pingou
17:01:23 <vwbusguy> hi
17:01:29 * vwbusguy
17:01:36 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and start on in then...
17:01:42 <nirik> #topic Week in review
17:01:42 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
17:01:59 <nirik> anyone have anything to note from this last week? common bugs or issues we are seeing a lot of?
17:02:42 * nirik thinks it was pretty typical...
17:02:47 <nirik> ok, moving on then...
17:02:51 <nirik> #topic ticket 122: #fedora irc bot requests feedback too often
17:02:53 <Discordian> nothing stands out
17:03:07 <nirik> do we want to adjust the frequency on the bot feedback message?
17:03:13 <EvilBob> The bot is doing it's job
17:03:25 <EvilBob> I don't think we need to adjust it
17:03:27 <pingou> we got a ticket from it, so to me, it is working :p
17:03:35 * nirik doesn't feel strongly about it either way
17:04:16 <nirik> any other thoughts?
17:04:20 <|N3LRX|> I don't see any reason to change it.
17:04:58 <EvilBob> I said my bit on the ticket
17:05:09 <Discordian> lets leave it be
17:05:19 <nirik> do we want to perhaps change the wording again? if people tune out what they see varying the wording might get more feedback?
17:05:29 * nirik is fine also with leaving it alone.
17:06:09 <nirik> ok, lets just leave it be...
17:06:11 <EvilBob> I say leave it, if someone wants to work up a new announcement, bring it to the next meeting.
17:06:30 <EvilBob> I do not think we need to change the rate
17:06:30 <nirik> #agreed will keep the frequency as is, alternate wording welcome for review.
17:06:49 <nirik> #topic ticket 123: not being felt welcomed in IRC, might not come back
17:07:10 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/123
17:07:12 <EvilBob> The pasted log was hard to read
17:07:17 <nirik> yeah, agreed.
17:07:25 <Discordian> I apologise if i upset them
17:07:38 * nirik wonders if he could fix it.
17:07:40 <pingou> odt ??
17:07:49 <EvilBob> we might need to specify to attach the log rather than paste it inline
17:08:23 * nirik edited the ticket to make the log better.
17:09:29 <nirik> so, on this I think several things: the user seemed to be over sensitive and focus on one thing...
17:09:58 <nirik> and was also not super great in describing the problem. Also, it seems like another pile on case... too many cooks were confusing them too.
17:10:35 <EvilBob> the pile on situation keeps happening
17:11:00 <nirik> Discordian: I don't see what really you did that upset them so much... I guess suggesting that they can't learn multiple distros at once...
17:11:19 <EvilBob> He did not pull out his spoon...
17:11:35 <pingou> nirik: being a bit sarcastic ?
17:11:36 <Discordian> I suppose that was it
17:11:43 <Discordian> and that
17:11:54 <nirik> dunno.
17:12:14 <pingou> I think that's the one, you were a bit sarcastic and not really helpful and they don't like this from an OP
17:12:21 <pingou> but that's my interpretation
17:12:30 <Discordian> Don't see I was that bad
17:12:45 <EvilBob> I had a related rant of sorts that I posted on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/rpjensen/posts/315400498556408
17:13:00 <nirik> anyhow, I would suggest: we thank them for the feedback... tell them that Discordian is sorry if they were upset, and to try and relax and not focus on single people if they are upset by them
17:13:25 <pingou> I would be more curious about the logs from -ops, that should have clarified thing I'd think
17:13:35 <nanonyme> are there any kind of OP guidelines this can be reflected against, btw?
17:13:50 <EvilBob> If you are leaving, leave. a whole "ESR Move" with a big announcement "Oh you suck, I'm leaving" is pointless and a waste of resources.
17:14:02 <pingou> EvilBob: ^^
17:14:30 <nirik> nanonyme: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_operators_code_of_conduct but it's old and needs rework I suspect.
17:14:56 <vwbusguy> not all that old, like 2-3yrs-ish
17:15:20 <EvilBob> here is the intro to the -ops interaction that could have been better
17:15:28 <EvilBob> * Tigz (~tigz(a)60-242-214-110.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #fedora-ops
17:15:28 <EvilBob> <Tigz> hi all
17:15:28 <EvilBob> <Discordian> Why are you here Tigz ?
17:15:28 <EvilBob> <Tigz> because of you discordian
17:15:35 <EvilBob> <Anvil> because he's been invited.
17:15:35 <EvilBob> <Discordian> You have a complaint about me?
17:15:35 <EvilBob> <Tigz> yes, it seems you are discordian uk
17:15:42 * Sonar_Gal is here
17:15:46 <Sonar_Gal> Sorry been busy
17:15:49 <EvilBob> that was all in less than a minute time
17:16:16 <pingou> EvilBob: does he say more ?
17:16:25 <EvilBob> the "Why are you here" was a little bit more gruff/abrasive than it should have been
17:16:35 <EvilBob> pingou: Let me fpaste more
17:16:48 <pingou> well the "Why are you here" is quite common on -ops ^^
17:17:03 <vwbusguy> Tone of voice doesn't tend to translate well over text, unfortunately
17:17:17 <Discordian> I apologise
17:17:32 <EvilBob> http://fpaste.org/6moY/
17:17:51 <nirik> yeah, nor sarcasm... thats why it's important to try and see things from other peoples side and assume the best instead of the worst.
17:18:16 <pingou> I think the easiest is what nirik said earlier
17:18:54 <nanonyme> nirik, right. so if there'd be need for an action point, imo seeing if guidelines need updating would make sense. Discordian seemed to me to be rather direct, perhaps to the extent of being a tad offensive in a limited fashion
17:19:17 <EvilBob> I would have liked to know what "rules" they are referring to in line 13 of my paste
17:19:35 <nanonyme> (not enough that I'd have reacted like that though)
17:19:55 <vwbusguy> nirik: ++
17:19:57 <nirik> you can't legislate everything. ;)
17:20:14 <nirik> for someone to take offense, it not only has to be offered but you have to accept it.
17:20:19 <nanonyme> yeah, that's true too
17:20:51 <vwbusguy> nanonyme: you can propose an update to the guidelines if you wish, but I don't think it's necessary in this case
17:21:01 <vwbusguy> nanonyme: "patches welcome"
17:21:18 <nirik> anyhow, my suggestion stands... anyone want to provide an alternate ?
17:22:55 <EvilBob> nirik: go for it
17:23:11 <nanonyme> nirik, hmm, do you reckon noting Discordian represented only his own opinions and not the projects makes sense?
17:23:18 <nirik> #agreed we thank them for the feedback... tell them that Discordian is sorry if they were upset, and to try and relax and not focus on single people if they are upset by them
17:23:23 <nirik> nanonyme: thats always the case.
17:23:28 <nirik> note the join message on #fedora.
17:23:32 <EvilBob> Discordian: apologize for the -ops part if YOU feel you should do so and work on it for the future.
17:23:54 <nanonyme> nirik, I'm fine with your suggestion then
17:24:07 <nirik> ok, anything else here? or shall we move on?
17:24:19 <pingou> b)
17:24:24 <nirik> #topic ticket 118: Invite FranciscoD to #fedora-ops
17:24:30 <nirik> is this still pending?
17:24:39 <nirik> or we were going to close it and open a new one if desired/
17:24:42 * nirik cannot recall
17:25:00 <EvilBob> Just a tip, if you ahve a confrontation with a user in #fedora butt out when they first join -ops
17:25:11 <nirik> EvilBob: good plan.
17:25:14 <pingou> seems fair EvilBob
17:25:15 <Discordian> Good point EvilBob
17:25:17 <nirik> let someone else handle it.
17:25:23 <EvilBob> Just close it, he was busy and did not seem all that interested
17:25:25 <Discordian> I shall do so
17:25:40 <nirik> #action nirik will close ticket, new one can be opened if desired.
17:25:50 <nirik> #topic ticket 124: Uban request
17:25:53 <nirik> OzBorne: you still here?
17:25:57 <OzBorne> yes
17:26:22 <EvilBob> OzBorne: Where are the logs that have been requested multiple times?
17:26:33 <OzBorne> in the ticket : odt
17:26:34 <pingou> EvilBob: on the odt file now attached
17:26:45 <OzBorne> i dont have all the logs
17:26:58 <OzBorne> those provided are examples
17:27:06 * pingou does find the chan quiet
17:27:26 <EvilBob> You don't have all the examples of the dozens of times you have been banned
17:27:35 <Discordian> #fedora or #fedora-fr?
17:27:44 <nirik> there's a previous ticket as well...
17:27:45 <OzBorne> i have problem to browse my log with irssi
17:28:07 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/110
17:28:09 <Discordian> i was noting I seem to have #1 on the channel logs on #fedora for ages
17:28:23 <Discordian> which is worrying
17:28:28 <nirik> in that ticket it was decided to give him another chance, but then that chance was used up too I fear.
17:29:06 <Sonar_Gal> I remember that
17:29:20 <nirik> so, my thought is to just wait until the next time we clear the list.
17:29:36 <|N3LRX|> He was given the rope and chose to hang himself. I don't see why he should be given another chance.
17:29:54 <OzBorne> due to something called forgiveness
17:30:07 <Discordian> Uh?
17:30:16 <OzBorne> like i ask in the ticket #124
17:30:20 <EvilBob> So you have no #fedora logs
17:30:26 <EvilBob> Brilliant
17:30:31 <Sonar_Gal> We have a ban system in place for a reason. We have given many chances that were thrown back in our faces
17:30:35 <OzBorne> yes i provided a samble
17:30:39 <OzBorne> sample
17:30:43 <nirik> OzBorne: once per Fedora cycle we "forgive" everyone... and clear the list. I'd suggest you wait for that event now, and consider what actions you did that got you removed in the mean time.
17:30:44 <OzBorne> the last one is
17:31:32 <nirik> perhaps fedora-forum or mailing lists would be a good thing to try in the mean time?
17:31:40 <EvilBob> I see one attachment
17:31:42 <OzBorne> nirik> is that the opinion of everyone?
17:31:58 <EvilBob> one attachment for #fedora-social
17:32:08 <EvilBob> NO attachments for #fedora
17:32:08 <OzBorne> not only EvilBob
17:32:26 <OzBorne> 2 sample are provided in the same file
17:32:30 <OzBorne> 2 ban
17:33:10 <EvilBob> OzBorne: If you were not abusive to me, there would be no problem
17:33:15 <OzBorne> nirik> i may try mailing list
17:33:18 <EvilBob> I can't even read part of that paste
17:33:26 <OzBorne> EvilBob> you took a joke for a serious threat
17:33:30 <EvilBob> log, docuement whatever
17:33:37 <Sonar_Gal> I can't either
17:33:51 <EvilBob> OzBorne: And the insults you sent me in a PM this morning?
17:34:00 <OzBorne> what insults?
17:34:06 <OzBorne> it is not
17:34:09 <pingou> EvilBob: maybe you can add them to the ticket
17:34:11 <EvilBob> OzBorne: Go to the third floor, see Helen Waite
17:34:26 <EvilBob> OzBorne: That is my advice to you
17:34:42 <OzBorne> EvilBob> most of time you were rude or disrespectful online
17:34:50 <nirik> OzBorne: jokes don't translate well over irc with people you don't know
17:34:58 <EvilBob> OzBorne: You have no idea what you are talking about
17:34:58 <OzBorne> nirik> ok
17:35:09 <Sonar_Gal> OzBorne, reading that log I told you to behave and you ignored me. EvilBob did not ban you from either channel #fedora or #fedora-social.
17:35:23 <OzBorne> okay
17:35:29 <EvilBob> Oh, I have banned him many times
17:35:34 <EvilBob> Lets make sure that is clear
17:35:46 <Sonar_Gal> EvilBob, I know but that time kk/southern banned him in -social
17:35:58 <Sonar_Gal> I have also banned him in -social
17:36:29 <EvilBob> We were more than tolerant of his behavior
17:36:30 <OzBorne> ok, im 40 year and im depressed...
17:36:43 <EvilBob> OzBorne: then get some medication
17:36:47 <OzBorne> irc is a way for me to get out of loneliness and chatting
17:36:51 <Sonar_Gal> OzBorne, And that's our problem.
17:36:51 <nirik> anyhow, proposed: Please try alternative support channels for now perhaps one will suit you better, and when we clear bans at F18beta you can try again.
17:36:51 <OzBorne> EvilBob> i do already
17:37:24 <Sonar_Gal> Please don't let me act like that at 40!! only 24 more days to go
17:37:41 <OzBorne> okay
17:37:42 <EvilBob> OzBorne: Good, I am very happy to hear that, I hope that when you return you will allow us all to have a better experience and interaction.
17:37:42 <|N3LRX|> +1 nirik
17:37:54 <Sonar_Gal> +1 nirik
17:37:59 <Discordian> +1
17:38:06 <nirik> we should all try and forgive and forget at that time, and hopefully, yeah, we all get along better then
17:38:30 <Discordian> @f18release
17:38:47 <OzBorne> :/
17:39:01 <Discordian> Not that long
17:39:05 <nirik> OzBorne: sorry if we couldn't unban you now, but please do try and relax and do better when/if you rejoin?
17:39:07 <EvilBob> 2 months
17:39:27 <EvilBob> Beta should be in October
17:39:38 <Discordian> indeed
17:39:48 <OzBorne> EvilBob> let me tell you that your attitude was not always very clear
17:40:08 <nirik> OzBorne: I'd advise skipping the jokes and trying to stay on topic as you can...
17:40:12 <nirik> anyhow...
17:40:15 <EvilBob> OzBorne: I asked you to leave me alone, quit pinging me every time you joined the channel
17:40:15 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:40:21 <nirik> anything for open floor?
17:40:27 <EvilBob> OzBorne: You refused
17:40:36 <OzBorne> EvilBob> you are not the pope
17:40:40 <EvilBob> I was VERY clear in that request
17:40:41 * Sonar_Gal passes the coffee, dew and bacon around the room
17:40:41 <OzBorne> lol
17:40:50 <Discordian> Not from me
17:40:53 <pingou> thanks Sonar_Gal
17:41:01 <nirik> harrassing someone is not a way to get on their good side.
17:41:05 <pingou> shall I make some tea Discordian ?
17:41:07 <EvilBob> OzBorne: I am not to blame for every malfunction you have in your life
17:41:23 <EvilBob> I have had NOTHING to do with your repeated bans in #fedora-fr
17:41:24 <OzBorne> no you arent just for the direspect you had
17:41:33 <Sonar_Gal> nope only every malfunction in my life!!!
17:41:41 <Discordian> I've had my evening repast thanks
17:41:45 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: It's all out of love...
17:41:48 <EvilBob> ;)
17:41:53 <Sonar_Gal> :)
17:42:00 <nirik> ok, if nothing comes up to actually discuss in the next minute or so, will close out the meeting
17:42:01 <OzBorne> however, can pingou do something for my ban from #fedora-fr?
17:42:25 <EvilBob> OzBorne: You burned the bridge in #fedora-fr I am afraid
17:42:25 <nirik> OzBorne: offtopic to this meeting.
17:42:30 <Discordian> The -fr ban is beyond the scope of here
17:42:52 <EvilBob> OzBorne: Calling channel ops on the phone is WAY out of line
17:42:52 <OzBorne> i see
17:43:08 <OzBorne> EvilBob> i see you have informations...
17:43:20 <OzBorne> perhaps working for CIA of FBI?
17:43:27 * nirik rolls eyes.
17:43:30 <pingou> only NSA
17:43:32 <nirik> ok, this meeting is done.
17:43:35 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone.
17:43:38 <nirik> #endmeeting
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i18n meeting summary (2012-08-02)
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#fedora-meeting: i18n
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Meeting started by tagoh_ at 05:01:30 UTC. The full logs are
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* agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 05:01:41)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-08-02
(tagoh_, 05:01:50)
* F18 (tagoh_, 05:05:15)
* bugzilla cleanup (tagoh_, 05:24:54)
* Input Methods (tagoh_, 05:27:26)
* Fonts and Rendering (tagoh_, 05:31:43)
* LINK:
* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=842960#c1
(pravins, 05:33:53)
* Meeting time change proposal (tagoh_, 05:44:46)
* Open Floor (tagoh_, 05:52:59)
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FAmNA Meeting (01 August 2012)
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Meeting started by inode0 at 01:00:20 UTC. The full logs are available
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* Roll Call (inode0, 01:00:52)
* Announcements (inode0, 01:02:27)
* inode0 and award3535will be at TLF this weekend (graphite6,
01:08:01)
* graphite6 will be speaking at OLF (graphite6, 01:08:16)
* Tickets (graphite6, 01:08:38)
* rbergeron and graphite6 will be posting reports about CLS soon
(graphite6, 01:18:53)
* Reminder to CLS/OSCON sponsored attendees to submit trip reports on
the event wiki pages (inode0, 01:20:00)
* graphite6 owes a trip report for OSCON (graphite6, 01:21:13)
* ACTION: graphite6 will report on sponsorship requirements for OLF
(graphite6, 01:32:11)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012
(dan408, 01:34:25)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/Schedule (dan408,
01:38:21)
* ACTION: dan408 will send out an announcement regarding
evaluating/deciding the date of the FADNA during next Tuesday's
meeting (graphite6, 01:44:23)
* dan408 FADNA date announcement will also include info about location
suggestions and requirements (graphite6, 01:46:23)
* Open Floor (graphite6, 01:49:51)
* LINK: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon
(rbergeron, 01:50:43)
* Welcome to new ambassadors jaysonr and jduncan! (graphite6,
01:51:35)
* Fedora will now have booth at Linuxcon (graphite6, 01:51:59)
* ACTION: rbergeron will set up the linuxcon event page (graphite6,
01:52:58)
* please review the draft FY13 budget (graphite6, 01:54:11)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Accounting/DraftFY13
(graphite6, 01:54:30)
* LINK:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/524014_349519195127017_302444...
(dan408, 01:58:51)
Meeting ended at 02:08:42 UTC.
Action Items
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* graphite6 will report on sponsorship requirements for OLF
* dan408 will send out an announcement regarding evaluating/deciding the
date of the FADNA during next Tuesday's meeting
* rbergeron will set up the linuxcon event page
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* dan408
* dan408 will send out an announcement regarding evaluating/deciding
the date of the FADNA during next Tuesday's meeting
* graphite6
* graphite6 will report on sponsorship requirements for OLF
* rbergeron
* rbergeron will set up the linuxcon event page
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* rbergeron (77)
* graphite6 (69)
* inode0 (50)
* award3535 (24)
* kk4ewt (15)
* farmerrob (15)
* zodbot (12)
* chanchito (8)
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* ianweller (3)
* PatStein (2)
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