Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-11-21)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-11-21)
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Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:07 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-21/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:07)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:01:32)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:03:30)
* LINK: https://github.com/gildub/arrod (nirik, 19:15:05)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:20:23)
* updates applied yesterday, rhel 6.5 out today, will look at
upgrading as much as we can before freeze (nirik, 19:22:06)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:27:46)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
(nirik, 19:27:46)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3796 - u
think Javascript way or dig deeper, and try to change the apps
behaviour? (docent_, 19:31:01)
* Open Floor (nirik, 19:39:00)
Meeting ended at 19:52:14 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (94)
* abadger1999 (34)
* pingou (28)
* threebean (17)
* relrod (12)
* mirek (10)
* docent (9)
* abompard (8)
* jimikirk (7)
* zodbot (5)
* lmacken (4)
* docent_ (3)
* smooge (3)
* kde_tony (2)
* tflink (2)
* samkottler (1)
* puiterwijk (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* dgilmore (0)
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19:00:07 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-11-21)
19:00:07 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 21 19:00:07 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:07 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
19:00:07 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all
19:00:07 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk
19:00:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
19:00:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
19:00:16 * relrod here
19:00:19 * lmacken
19:00:20 * threebean is here
19:00:29 * mirek also here
19:00:30 * tflink is around
19:00:37 * samkottler is kinda here
19:01:04 * abadger1999 here -- finishing up $otherMeeting meeting notes
19:01:16 <nirik> welcome everyone.
19:01:32 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks
19:01:46 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves ? or apprentices with questions or comments?
19:02:26 <nirik> ok...
19:02:31 * pingou late
19:02:36 <jimikirk> nirik: I'm still looking for sponsor
19:02:55 <jimikirk> nirik: #fedora-devel didn't work
19:02:57 <nirik> jimikirk: sure, although thats not really infrastructure related. ;)
19:03:15 <jimikirk> nirik: ok, talk about it later
19:03:30 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
19:03:36 <kde_tony> .fas kdetony
19:03:36 <zodbot> kde_tony: kdetony 'Anthony Mogrovejo' <tony001983(a)gmail.com>
19:03:43 <nirik> any exciting applications news this week or upcoming?
19:03:49 <nirik> hey kde_tony
19:04:04 <kde_tony> hi nirik :)
19:04:12 <pingou> some pkgdb2 work
19:04:26 <pingou> and a lot of work on fmn, but I let threebean talk about that :)
19:04:34 <mirek> I would like to get more active around cloud - just been on second openstack workshop, can we get keystone credentials to Fedora Cloud get on some place where is not required root and where members of sysadmin-cloud can access it?
19:04:38 * docent_ is late as usual
19:04:55 <threebean> yeah, not much to talk about with fmn unless people have any questions. lots of rapid dev this week and last.
19:05:11 <threebean> We have a cloud instance up here http://209.132.184.212
19:05:25 <threebean> And the source is here https://github.com/fedora-infra/fmn
19:05:45 <threebean> we're working out of the TODO.md file there and are aiming to get this stood up in at least our staging environment by dec. 15th.
19:05:48 <nirik> mirek: possibly. But what things would you do? More help might be someone driving install of our havana or whatever cloud with ansible playbooks.
19:05:56 <pingou> oh threebean check the grey bar at the top and the <title>
19:06:12 <threebean> pingou: will fix :) thanks
19:06:31 * abompard says hello
19:06:44 <lmacken> bodhi: minor bugfix update hit the mashers yesterday.
19:07:03 <abadger1999> threebean, pingou: I thought of one pkgdb+fmn interaction I hadn't before.
19:07:21 <abadger1999> What happens if someone wants to deploy pkgdb2 in their own infrastructure?
19:07:29 <abadger1999> Will they also have to deploy fedmsgand fmn?
19:07:40 <abadger1999> or can we have a fallback notification method of some sort?
19:07:41 <threebean> they won't have to.. but they would if they wanted email notifications.
19:07:56 <mirek> nirik: start new instances, create/change flavours (will probably need that for copr), but yeah, can even install OS havana (or we want to upgrade current one OS to havana?)
19:08:00 * abadger1999 hadn't thought of this until pidora expressed interest in running it too.
19:08:11 <threebean> right, right.
19:08:40 <pingou> abadger1999: I thought about this yesterday indeed, I might have to write the email system finally :/
19:08:53 <threebean> heh :)
19:09:04 <threebean> what if they don't want emails? (no one wants emails...)
19:09:11 <threebean> pingou, abadger1999: let's ask them first.
19:09:16 <pingou> then they just turn it off :)
19:09:34 <nirik> mirek: well, new instances are either via ansible or self service, so there's not usually much to do there. :) flavors I could see, but we haven't really bothered yet... if you are interested in installing new I can bring you up to speed on that and get you access. There's 0 upgrade path, so no, we don't want to upgrade I don't think.
19:09:38 <pingou> it will have to be swith on/off as I don't want email notifications + fmn
19:10:05 <nirik> mirek: my plan was to install latest one via ansible playbooks, get it all working right, then migrate instances over from the old one (ie, terminate and redeploy)
19:10:06 <abadger1999> <nod>
19:10:12 <abadger1999> okay, sounds like a plan then.
19:10:43 <pingou> threebean: abadger1999 it's just gonna be a hock onto the log() function where all the fedmsg notifications are also set-up
19:10:54 <abadger1999> <nod>
19:11:00 <abadger1999> that makes sense to me.
19:11:00 <threebean> pingou: nice :)
19:11:41 * pingou added some task pro:pkgdb2 for tomorrow \ó/
19:11:49 <nirik> mirek: anyhow, if you want to work on that, happy to set you up. I keep not getting to it. ;(
19:11:50 <mirek> nirik: if we have HW to run old cloud and new one in paralel, then it would be best
19:12:05 <nirik> mirek: yep. we have 2 machines not in the current cloud.
19:12:47 <nirik> just to note, we go back into freeze next tuesday. :) Anything folks want to try and land before then?
19:13:08 <smooge> sorry I need to move my clock
19:13:15 <threebean> hm.. perhaps we should create nodes for fmn ahead of time?
19:13:24 <pingou> +1
19:13:27 <mirek> hmm since Copr is still not officially part of infra then it is not affected by frezee?
19:13:40 <nirik> mirek: right, it would not be frozen.
19:13:51 <nirik> threebean: could do that yeah... in case. :)
19:14:01 <threebean> :)
19:14:06 <nirik> aat least the stg ones
19:14:16 <threebean> cool
19:14:19 <mirek> nirik: can you point me to openstack playbooks in ansible? I could not find it
19:14:32 <nirik> mirek: it's a seperate repo, let me get it...
19:15:05 <nirik> https://github.com/gildub/arrod
19:15:23 * mirek si looking
19:15:36 * abadger1999 will try to land his python-fedora change today.
19:15:41 <nirik> I've run into various issues with it, the maintainer is pretty responsive, but I keep getting distracted. :)
19:15:46 <pingou> abadger1999: cool!
19:15:57 <nirik> abadger1999: whats in that?
19:15:59 <abadger1999> pingou: heh -- hotfix. Not the release changes.
19:16:16 <nirik> did we need something in there for mod_auth_openid?
19:16:18 * nirik forgets.
19:16:20 <abadger1999> nirik: fix the translation of TG1 apps (notably: fas)
19:16:55 <pingou> abadger1999: still good :)
19:16:56 <nirik> thats a biggie yeah
19:17:38 <nirik> ok, any other apps news?
19:17:58 <mirek> nirik: and is somewher doc how and to which machines we deploy it? could not see anything relevant in doc.git
19:18:38 <nirik> mirek: no doc, I can fill you in after the meeting... basically you fill in some group vars. ;)
19:19:00 <nirik> ideally we get this working and merge it into our ansible repo so we can just deploy/update/change the cloud from the same place we do everything else.
19:19:47 <mirek> nirik: some group vars, yes... :) http://www.survivedavis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/owl.jpg
19:20:01 <nirik> heh. nice. :)
19:20:02 <mirek> nirik: I will cont. on that with you after meeting
19:20:13 <nirik> thats also known as "this step left as an exersize for the reader"
19:20:21 <nirik> anyhow...
19:20:23 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
19:20:34 <nirik> so, we had an outage yesterday and got everything updated.
19:20:41 <nirik> and today... rhel 6.5 came out. ;)
19:20:45 <relrod> yep :P
19:21:00 <nirik> which is our normal luck. ;)
19:21:15 <nirik> anyhow, so I am going to look at updating all the stuff we can thats non outage causing...
19:21:30 <nirik> and then decide if we want to have another short outage monday before freeze to update outage causing things.
19:22:06 <nirik> #info updates applied yesterday, rhel 6.5 out today, will look at upgrading as much as we can before freeze
19:22:12 * lmacken checks if any of our wsgi stack got updated in 6.5
19:22:17 <nirik> Also I grew db01's disk a bunch.
19:22:53 <nirik> We also have 9 builders on one of our new blades using iscsi.
19:23:14 <nirik> They seemed to do ok at first, but then were very slow later for some things. More data and investigation needed.
19:23:47 <abompard> Quick update of the HyperKitty front: I merged mizmo's work and deployed my redesign of the front page. Now I'm fixing the stuff that broke on real data :-)
19:23:58 <nirik> they did finish all there image builds from rawhide/branched today ok.
19:24:06 <nirik> abompard: cool. ;)
19:24:06 <lmacken> new python beaker and weberror in rhel 6.5. I think that'll only affect fedora-packages
19:24:17 <smooge> oh boy
19:24:28 <pingou> threebean: https://badges.fedoraproject.org/explore/badges/rss we should add it to the planet now :)
19:24:36 <threebean> pingou: oh, right!
19:24:43 <pingou> nirik: the specific planet feeds are managed by puppet right?
19:24:48 <pingou> s/by/in/
19:25:09 <nirik> abompard: do we want to perhaps roll out a mailman01 production before freeze? or just wait and do prod after f20 is out/with freeze breaks?
19:25:16 <nirik> pingou: you can add them in puppet yeah.
19:25:33 <pingou> threebean: do you or shall I?
19:25:43 <threebean> pingou: go for it :)
19:25:45 <pingou> threebean: on my way
19:26:15 <abompard> nirik: I guess we can wait for f20, working around the schedule may end up being more work
19:26:46 <nirik> abompard: ok. I'm eager to have a prod one, but sure... :)
19:26:59 <abompard> nirik: I can understand that :-)
19:27:46 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
19:27:46 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
19:27:56 <nirik> anything upcoming people would like to schedule or note?
19:28:03 <nirik> next week is a holiday in the US...
19:28:13 <nirik> so no meeting, unless someone else wants to run one. ;)
19:28:26 <abadger1999> heh, what days are we supposed to be taking off?
19:28:42 <nirik> thursday and friday
19:28:52 <nirik> are holidays for RH folks in the US.
19:29:00 * nirik will of course likely still be around.
19:29:27 * abadger1999 will try to stay away on Friday. Thursday it will be easier as he'll be in the kitchen.
19:29:40 <nirik> :)
19:29:58 <nirik> you could go do some "black friday" shopping. Won't that be fun? :)
19:30:08 <smooge> I will be around on Thursday and Friday. I plan to cook and run a D&D game but other than that will be around
19:30:18 <abadger1999> nirik: Mmm... black friday is what will keep me at home ;-)
19:30:43 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah, no kidding.
19:30:47 <tflink> nirik: I made the mistake of doing that one year ... no plans to repeat the mistake :)
19:31:01 <docent_> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3796 - u think Javascript way or dig deeper, and try to change the apps behaviour?
19:31:43 <nirik> hey docent_
19:31:47 <docent_> :)
19:31:48 <nirik> good question.
19:31:54 <abadger1999> docent_: Javascript definitely
19:32:42 <docent> ok second question - is that totally dead one: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2984 ? :)
19:33:05 <nirik> docent: there were still a few pending I think there...
19:33:10 <nirik> but the main driver of it moved on.
19:33:24 <nirik> we need to look at whats not yet done...
19:33:39 <abadger1999> docent: The linked owasp.org points out that https-only sites are not affected by the known easy vulnerability... that's us.
19:33:58 <docent> abadger1999: great :)
19:34:19 <abadger1999> docent: also, the csrf protection in the URL is for TG1 and TG2. we're getting rid of tg1 and only have one tg2 app at the moment.
19:34:26 * nirik ponders. perhaps a 'git grep db01' and looking for any that still point direct to db01 would show them?
19:34:42 <docent> ok so i'll stick to this csrf-issue with webapps..? or it can be left as it is?
19:34:58 <abadger1999> docent: Fixing it via javascript is a good thing to do.
19:35:04 <docent> ok, great thx
19:35:12 <nirik> looks to me like 'datagrepper' and 'askbot' are the two left.
19:35:20 <abadger1999> as it will keep it out of bookmarks, cut and paste, etc.
19:35:50 <docent> :)
19:35:54 <nirik> abadger1999: would this be a hotfix thing? or ? this is bodhi and pkgdb?
19:36:03 <abadger1999> jsut pointing out that we're not exposed to the automated problems.
19:36:10 <abadger1999> nirik: fas, bodhi, packagedb, elections1.
19:36:29 <nirik> ok.
19:36:33 <abadger1999> We could hotfix.
19:36:48 <nirik> although in practice people only usually copy/paste from bodhi/pkgdb
19:36:56 <abadger1999> But we probably don't 100% need to.
19:37:10 <abadger1999> yeah -- because fas requires that you login to view anything.
19:37:43 <abadger1999> I think I'd hotfix if we're not in freeze.
19:37:46 <nirik> well, with bodhi we could just try and get lmacken to add it to next release, but pkgdb isn't likely to have too many more releases right?
19:38:02 <abadger1999> If we are in freeze, defer deploying until later.
19:38:10 <abadger1999> nirik: correct.
19:38:11 <nirik> yeah, it's a convience.
19:38:31 <docent> ok i'll bother you with that in a few days after meeting. don't know even how to start own dev envs for those apps for now so first i'll have to work this out
19:38:52 <nirik> docent: cool. You can always ask in #fedora-apps on how to get started.
19:38:58 <docent> sure :)
19:39:00 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
19:39:17 <nirik> any items for open floor? suggestions, comments, ideas, turkey recipies?
19:40:11 <relrod> Still looking for people willing to (co)maintain the dpsearch package...We've been following the upstream snapshots (which they've been doing more of lately) and I don't have enough time/energy right now to maintain it as well as it should be.
19:40:18 <pingou> oh has the meeting time changed for you?
19:40:24 <relrod> So if we're still interested in possibly deploying it one day, it'd be nice to have some comaintainers
19:40:54 <pingou> with the time change, it's an hour earlier for us ( abompard and I)
19:41:14 <nirik> pingou: yeah, it's earlier for us too... did you want to move it?
19:41:19 <docent> relrod: is that something suitable for apprentices?
19:41:30 <nirik> relrod: how often? I might be able to help out...
19:41:47 <pingou> nirik: I must say, 9pm is better for me (not in the middle of dinner as it is now), but I'm not the only one :)
19:41:49 <relrod> docent: suitable for anyone in the packager group ;)
19:41:53 <jimikirk> relrod: I'm interested in co-maintaining
19:42:08 <docent> relrod: ha, so no can do for now ;)
19:42:28 <relrod> nirik: one sec
19:42:38 <nirik> pingou: yeah, if we move an hour eariler we need to coordinate with the irc support sig, as they are an hour before this meeting.
19:42:48 <nirik> if we move an hour later we could do that yeah
19:42:52 <pingou> nirik: or one hour later if it was
19:42:53 <relrod> nirik: looks like every 2 weeks or so, lately.
19:43:05 * relrod has no idea when they're going to make 4.54 stable.
19:43:16 <nirik> relrod: if you want to mentor jimikirk, you could add him as comaintainer and show him the ropes. ;)
19:43:30 <pingou> abompard: what's better for you for the meeting (time wise) ?
19:43:51 <abompard> pingou: something earlier would be better
19:43:55 <nirik> relrod: and/or I also could comaintain and help mentor.
19:44:13 <relrod> nirik: sure, happy to add you both.
19:44:13 <jimikirk> nirik, relrod: I'm very interested
19:44:31 <pingou> abompard: and is 9 better than 8 for you? (if we can't move earlier)
19:44:34 <abompard> pingou: but if you prefer 9pm, I can make it work
19:44:37 <abompard> pingou: yeah
19:44:52 <nirik> relrod: cool. I'll need to sponsor jimikirk... but I can do that and we can sort it after the meeting?
19:45:02 <relrod> nirik: wfm :)
19:45:27 <jimikirk> relrod: perhaps meeting in fedora-devel or fedora-admin after this meeting?
19:45:34 <nirik> abompard / pingou we could also just do a whenisgood and see if moving days would be better?
19:45:38 <abompard> pingou: actually I don't mind, 8pm or 9pm is pretty much the same
19:45:42 <relrod> jimikirk: -admin works
19:45:51 <jimikirk> relrod: ok
19:46:11 <pingou> nirik: day is fine for me, it's more the time
19:46:20 <pingou> but if I'm the only one, I'll deal with it :)
19:46:21 <nirik> we have been on thursdays for a long time, but I don't care much as long as the most people could make it.
19:46:34 <pingou> abadger1999: you have a meeting earlier don't you?
19:46:37 <abadger1999> FPC is two hours earlier and lately has gone two hours. That won't go on forever, though (and many times, I don't have to speak in this meeting -- especially when FPC has big things that take 2hours to resolve :-(
19:47:04 <abadger1999> pingou: so I wouldn't object to an hour earlier.
19:47:24 <nirik> also however, there's sometimes a fedora engineering phone meeting now an hour before this meeting...
19:47:32 <nirik> so if we moved earlier that would conflict too.
19:47:38 <abadger1999> nirik: Maybe we could change that one though?
19:47:44 <nirik> possibly yeah.
19:48:01 <abadger1999> I don't think we've met twice at the same time for that yet.
19:48:26 <nirik> so, an hour later wouldn't help any? or it would?
19:48:45 <abadger1999> (Although, I think the next meeting has someone externally scheduled.. so maybe we can't change that one.)
19:48:55 <pingou> earlier is better, then it's later, then it's as it is now
19:49:24 <nirik> perhaps we should do a whenisgood. ;)
19:50:14 <nirik> I'll look at doing that (or someone else can) and send to the list.
19:50:32 <nirik> lets assume current time until/unless we change
19:51:04 <pingou> +1
19:51:20 <nirik> cool. Anything else for open floor?
19:51:36 <relrod> not from me
19:52:11 <nirik> cool. Thanks for coming everyone!
19:52:14 <nirik> #endmeeting
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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2013-11-21 17:00 - 19:00 UTC)
by James Antill
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#fedora-meeting-1: fpc
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Meeting started by abadger1999 at 17:04:14 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-21/fedora-meeti...
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Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (abadger1999, 17:04:27)
* SCLs (abadger1999, 17:06:37)
* LINK: https://bugs.linuxfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1164#c7
(abadger1999, 17:07:28)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/363 (kkeithley_,
17:28:32)
* 363 exception for bundled library libntirpc in nfs-ganesha
(abadger1999, 17:29:31)
* Temporary bundling exception for libntirpc in nfs-ganesha until
after Fedora 23 approved (+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:34:38)
* #358 Please make some autotools guidelines. (abadger1999,
17:35:59)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/358 (abadger1999,
17:36:03)
* ACTION: abadger1999 to write up some guidelines based on past FPC
decisions. It will allow both strategies. (abadger1999, 17:45:25)
* 359 Forbid sysv initscripts in addition to systemd unit files
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/359 (abadger1999, 17:46:59)
* "Packagers MUST NOT include SysV initscripts in addition to systemd
unit files, even in a separate <code>$name-sysvinit</code>
subpackage." Approved (+1:5, 0:0, -1:1) (abadger1999, 18:07:30)
* #361 Two more bundled MD5 implementations (abadger1999, 18:07:42)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/361 (abadger1999,
18:07:46)
* New Virtual Provide for C++ port of deutsch's md5 code:
bundled(md5-deutsch-c++) passed: (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999,
18:15:42)
* 362 lpf in Fedora (abadger1999, 18:16:20)
* #364 exception for bundled library ccan in ocserv (abadger1999,
18:17:27)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/364 (abadger1999,
18:17:31)
* LINK: http://ccodearchive.net/ (abadger1999, 18:18:13)
* LINK:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tangent-trunk/libmemcached/1.2/view/head:/li...
(geppetto, 18:35:18)
* LINK: http://burtleburtle.net/bob/c/lookup3.c <= original for that
code (abadger1999, 18:38:58)
* Open Floor (abadger1999, 18:47:54)
Meeting ended at 18:55:41 UTC.
Action Items
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* abadger1999 to write up some guidelines based on past FPC decisions.
It will allow both strategies.
Action Items, by person
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* abadger1999
* abadger1999 to write up some guidelines based on past FPC decisions.
It will allow both strategies.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2013-11-21)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2013-11-21)
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:12 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-21/irc-support-si...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 18:00:12)
* Week in review (nirik, 18:03:07)
* efi issues/confusion seems on the rise, more docs welcome (nirik,
18:09:43)
* next week is holiday in the US, no meeting (nirik, 18:10:59)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:11:29)
Meeting ended at 18:20:06 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* nirik (35)
* danofsatx (11)
* EvilBob (10)
* DiscordianUK (10)
* kc8hfi (4)
* zodbot (3)
* N3LRX (1)
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18:00:12 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-11-21)
18:00:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 21 18:00:12 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:12 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:12 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
18:00:12 <nirik> #topic init process
18:00:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
18:00:26 <nirik> who all is around for a irc support sig meeting?
18:01:08 <danofsatx> I'm here
18:01:27 <DiscordianUK> i am
18:01:36 <nirik> back in a sec...
18:01:56 * EvilBob
18:03:07 <nirik> ok, lets dive on in then
18:03:07 <nirik> #topic Week in review
18:03:15 <nirik> anything exciting from the last few weeks?
18:03:40 <nirik> we have gotten more f20-beta folks... but I haven't really noticed any common problems they are having or anything.
18:03:49 <danofsatx> Well, I joined the group - does that count?
18:04:02 <nirik> danofsatx: :) welcome
18:04:11 <DiscordianUK> UEFI installs still seem to be a common issue
18:04:28 <EvilBob> A lot of concern about the fglrx/catalyst driver working
18:04:54 <danofsatx> IPv6 is an issue. I haven't nailed down specifics yet, though.
18:05:02 <nirik> DiscordianUK: yeah. Since I now have an efi machine I can help with those... probibly we should do a wiki page writeup or something.
18:05:23 <nirik> EvilBob: sadly so. My distaste for that package continues to grow. ;(
18:05:32 <DiscordianUK> It works for me on a multiple machines
18:05:39 <DiscordianUK> s/a/
18:05:56 * N3LRX is here
18:06:04 <danofsatx> DiscordianUK: I didn't have an issue with EFI on a clean install of F20. a Dual-boot install of F19 with W8, however, bricked the machine, which is why I got to do a clean F20 install.
18:06:34 <DiscordianUK> But people forget /boot/efi should be the EFI system partition and should not be reformatted
18:06:42 <nirik> EvilBob: it seems safer these days to just assume it doesn't work. ;)
18:06:50 * EvilBob nods
18:07:14 <nirik> DiscordianUK: yeah, a UEFI wiki page might be nice... to just list those differences.
18:07:36 <danofsatx> A lot of the reference documents make no distiction between /boot on BIOS systems and /boot/efi on UEFI systems.
18:07:37 <nirik> I can see about making something and get people to help fill it in.
18:08:13 <DiscordianUK> we populate entries in /boot/efi
18:08:17 <danofsatx> they just default to /boot which could be the source of a lot of confusion
18:08:31 <nirik> yeah, it's just something many aren't used to. ;)
18:08:50 <nirik> also, grub2-efi.cfg instead of grub2.cfg
18:08:57 <nirik> and efibootmgr
18:09:22 <DiscordianUK> i have had my struggles with efibootmgr
18:09:43 <nirik> #info efi issues/confusion seems on the rise, more docs welcome
18:10:18 <nirik> anything else for the last few weeks?
18:10:50 <nirik> I'll note next week in the US is a holiday, so no meeting then.
18:10:59 <nirik> #info next week is holiday in the US, no meeting
18:11:02 <DiscordianUK> okay
18:11:26 <nirik> we have no pending tickets...
18:11:29 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:11:41 <nirik> any open floor items? suggestions, ideas, comments, ?
18:12:04 <danofsatx> I need to create a test case for IPv6. Can anyone help with that?
18:12:24 <EvilBob> danofsatx: Not sure what that has to do with this group
18:12:33 <nirik> danofsatx: I could try time permitting... ipv6 works fine here tho.
18:12:51 <kc8hfi> the fedoraunity.org page seems to have trouble finding usernames if someboyd has forgotten their pwd and needs to get it reset
18:13:11 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: the DB is corrupt
18:13:16 <danofsatx> IPv6 in F20 is broken, and I'm not sure of the "correct" test procedures for the Fedora Project
18:13:38 <danofsatx> if there are any, that is
18:13:44 <EvilBob> danofsatx: Lets not drag this group's meeting down with that
18:13:47 <DiscordianUK> i suggest asking in #fedora-qa
18:14:19 <danofsatx> ok - I misunderstood what we were doing here.
18:14:21 <nirik> danofsatx: works here, but yeah, ask qa folks to help duplicate and then file bugs on it.
18:14:23 * danofsatx is sorry
18:14:29 <nirik> no worries.
18:14:32 <kc8hfi> EvilBob: ahh. What do they plan on doing about it?
18:14:41 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: nothing
18:15:35 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: It's perfect, zope+plone is perfectly awesome! You don't question the awesomeness of it!
18:16:18 <nirik> riight.
18:16:50 <nirik> anyhow, thats something for them to determine... not us. ;)
18:16:57 <nirik> anything else for open floor?
18:17:08 <DiscordianUK> not me
18:17:13 <kc8hfi> I reckon i did a bad thing. I questioned just how good zope+plone is!
18:17:51 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: It's OK daMaestro is not here to rip your head off and shit down your neck for it.
18:18:19 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: But now it will be in the log so he will hunt us both down...
18:18:35 <nirik> nice knowing you guys. ;)
18:18:46 * nirik will close out the meeting in a minute if nothing more comes up
18:18:46 <kc8hfi> yeah...that may not be a good thing....
18:20:03 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. Do keep helping in #fedora. ;)
18:20:06 <nirik> #endmeeting
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Minutes from today's (11/20/2013) cloud WG meeting
by Sam Kottler
Thanks everyone who was able to make it to the meeting today! It seems like meeting at 17:00 UTC is tough for some people so we'll work on finding a better time going forward. For those who weren't able to make it, here are few important links:
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeti...
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeti...
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeti...
Log (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeti...
Here's a summary of the meeting (link to the HTML and text versions above):
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#fedora-meeting-1: Cloud WG weekly meeting
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Meeting started by samkottler at 17:00:18 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeti...
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Meeting summary
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* rollcall (samkottler, 17:01:08)
* Google compute (samkottler, 17:06:23)
* ACTION: mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream
(mattdm, 17:09:06)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2013-November/002304.html
(samkottler, 17:12:33)
* marketing/design document (samkottler, 17:16:35)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3 (samkottler,
17:17:29)
* open floor (samkottler, 17:21:03)
* jzb sent out a rough pass at mizmo's questions (gholms, 17:27:33)
* ACTION: jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week
(gholms, 17:28:09)
* HELP: Please help test f20 images (gholms, 17:30:20)
Meeting ended at 17:30:39 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream
* jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* jzb
* jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week
* mattdm
* mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* samkottler (52)
* mattdm (32)
* gholms (24)
* jzb (8)
* mrunge (6)
* zodbot (5)
* number80 (0)
* rbergeron (0)
17:00:18 <samkottler> #startmeeting Cloud WG weekly meeting
17:00:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 20 17:00:18 2013 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:00:18 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:00:38 <samkottler> #chair mattdm rbergeron number80
17:00:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler
17:00:45 <mattdm> hello!
17:00:59 <samkottler> heyya
17:01:08 <samkottler> #topic rollcall
17:01:13 * samkottler is here :)
17:01:14 <mrunge> hey
17:01:23 * mrunge is very shortly here
17:01:26 <samkottler> #chair mrunge
17:01:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: mattdm mrunge number80 rbergeron samkottler
17:01:44 * mrunge suggests a different meeting time, as this is very inconvenient for me
17:02:18 <samkottler> mrunge: that's a good thing to talk about on the list
17:02:21 <samkottler> it's hard to do over IRC
17:02:32 <mrunge> I agree samkottler
17:02:47 <mrunge> esp. since there are other person not attending the meeting as well
17:02:58 <mattdm> thanks for coming nonetheless :)
17:03:18 <samkottler> indeed :)
17:03:31 <samkottler> let's just wait a couple more minutes for people to show up
17:03:47 <mrunge> well, I need to run away very shortly. so, I'll just drop off
17:04:36 * gholms goes to sit with the peanut gallery
17:06:00 <samkottler> okay I guess we'll get started, although we don't have quorum
17:06:09 * mattdm nods
17:06:23 <samkottler> #topic Google compute
17:06:35 <mattdm> I don't know exactly why but it's been a crazy chaotic week nad I feel like zero time has passed since last meeting. *sigh*
17:06:41 <samkottler> frankie isn't here so no update on packaging work right now
17:06:57 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah, same :(
17:07:12 <mattdm> looks like there was agreement on the mailing list that we should focus on cloud-init in the images
17:07:25 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah, seems like we don't even need to vote on that
17:07:32 <mattdm> gholms What do you think about carrying that debian patch?
17:07:56 <samkottler> I was gonna kick the tires on the tools google built, but totally ran out of time
17:08:05 <gholms> I think it should go upstream for review.
17:08:17 <gholms> Then I'm totally happy to grab it.
17:08:29 <samkottler> gholms: does canonical maintain the upstream?
17:08:51 <gholms> Yes
17:08:52 <mattdm> I'll ping the google people about that.
17:09:06 <mattdm> #action mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream
17:09:30 <samkottler> I also reached out to legal about the trusted tester agreement
17:09:40 <samkottler> it's being reviewed right now, I should have word back today or tomorrow
17:09:53 * gholms hopes they aren't reluctant due to canonical's ridiculous contributor licensing racket
17:09:53 <samkottler> things seem promising, though
17:09:56 * samkottler knocks on wood
17:10:01 <gholms> Nice!
17:10:05 <samkottler> gholms: you mean bzr?
17:10:06 <samkottler> :P
17:10:21 <gholms> Nah, the full copyright license thing.
17:10:34 * gholms saves the rant for later
17:10:36 <samkottler> I know, twas kidding :)
17:10:44 <gholms> ;)
17:11:08 <samkottler> so yeah, that's all I've got on the GCE front
17:11:20 <samkottler> anyone got anything else to add?
17:11:22 <mattdm> (they did indicate in a mailing list post that upstream was a goal)
17:11:27 <gholms> What's the trusted tester thing?
17:11:29 <mattdm> that's aall from me for now too.
17:12:11 <samkottler> gholms: google makes people who want to upload images sign a document called the trusted tester agreement to basically give access to more advanced/not thoroughly tested parts of GCE
17:12:33 <samkottler> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2013-November/002304.html
17:12:51 <gholms> Mere mortals can't upload their own images? How sad. :(
17:13:32 <samkottler> gholms: I think ultimately they will be able to
17:13:40 <samkottler> the features just aren't fully rolled out
17:14:05 * gholms hopes that happens soon
17:14:17 <mattdm> gholms that's actually the state of the art in pretty much most public clouds except ec2
17:15:06 <gholms> Yup. It's really disappointing.
17:16:00 <mattdm> Yup. Next thing, then?
17:16:35 <samkottler> #topic marketing/design document
17:17:25 <samkottler> so some background, the design + marketing teams have asked for some info about what our aims are
17:17:28 <samkottler> so they can plan accordingly
17:17:29 <samkottler> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3
17:17:56 <mattdm> it's a really good question :)
17:18:03 <samkottler> if we come across any issues that are contentious they'll have to wait until we have quorum, though
17:18:23 <gholms> I don't think people know the difference between a server and a cloud guest yet, so we probably don't even know ourselves. ;)
17:18:24 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah, slightly interdependent on the PRD
17:18:43 <mattdm> definitely.
17:19:12 <samkottler> jzb just sent a really nice reply to the list
17:19:26 <mattdm> okay, so, proposal: more list discussion here.
17:19:57 <mattdm> (and by here, i mean "on this topic")
17:20:03 <samkottler> mattdm: WFM
17:20:08 <mattdm> (not "here on irc". that would make no sense)
17:20:29 <gholms> There are more people on the list. :)
17:20:58 <samkottler> okay then
17:21:03 <samkottler> #topic open floor
17:21:24 <mattdm> I think we haven't really settled on how targetted we are going to be and how much we're going to do, say, jeos vs. some bigger solution (like coreos+docker) vs. "appliance library"
17:21:50 <samkottler> mattdm: sorry, do you want to keep the last topic going?
17:22:10 <mattdm> eh. that's basically all I have to say and I don't think we're going to decide it right now ;)
17:22:19 <samkottler> agreed
17:22:33 <samkottler> that's part of both the PRD and 'what even are we doing?!'
17:22:37 <gholms> It doesn't even seem like people agree on whether the server should be the minimal thing or the guest should. More discussion is needed.
17:22:55 * mattdm nods
17:23:06 <mattdm> and then an actual decision.
17:23:10 <samkottler> we should probably loop in the server WG
17:23:20 <samkottler> and then have a bigger convo about all this
17:23:36 <mattdm> yeah. I actually have a bunch of mail in my inbox to reply to that relates to all of this. and on the server wg mailing list.
17:23:55 * samkottler needs to subscribe to that list
17:24:05 * gholms is still mad at openstack for overloading the term "server" even more
17:24:15 <mattdm> It's also possible that we end up doing that has a lot of overlap but in different ways. That's not as nice as everything fitting into a jigsaw puzzle but would still be okay.
17:24:37 * gholms nods
17:24:51 <samkottler> gholms: and triple-O even further blurs the lines
17:25:00 <gholms> Heh, yep
17:25:12 <samkottler> treat your servers like cloud guests and then run your cloud guests on your cloud guests
17:25:15 <samkottler> AHHH
17:25:28 * jzb apologizes for being late. Damn time zones.
17:25:33 <samkottler> #chair jzb
17:25:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: jzb mattdm mrunge number80 rbergeron samkottler
17:25:58 <gholms> Heya, jzb
17:26:07 <jzb> gholms: howdy
17:26:10 <mattdm> jzb not too much at this meeting. got anything to raise?
17:26:19 <gholms> samkottler: Eucalyptus does that, and let me tell you, it's awesome.
17:26:26 <jzb> mattdm: have we discussed the branding stuff?
17:26:39 <mattdm> jzb mostly we said "more mailing list discussion"
17:26:41 <jzb> I sent out a rough pass at the Q's mizmo asked
17:26:45 <jzb> OK
17:26:51 <mattdm> i saw but havne't read yet
17:27:07 <jzb> I'm writing up notes from re:Invent that I will share to the list later this week
17:27:22 <mattdm> she asked for that back by dec 3 so I think we should try to have something to by official for next week
17:27:30 <mattdm> "to be"
17:27:33 <gholms> #info jzb sent out a rough pass at mizmo's questions
17:27:56 <jzb> that's all I've got unless someone's got a task for me
17:28:09 <gholms> #action jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week
17:28:51 * samkottler doesn't have any other topics
17:29:26 <mattdm> yep i think we're done for now.
17:29:40 <mattdm> f20 test candidate images are coming out....
17:29:55 <mattdm> testing them is a helpful thing to do. :)
17:29:59 <jzb> mattdm: here I was worried I wouldn't have anything to do over Thanksgiving.
17:30:10 <mattdm> jzb right :)
17:30:20 <gholms> #help Please help test f20 images
17:30:39 <samkottler> #endmeeting
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Meeting minutes - today's Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2013-11-19)
by Marcela Mašláňová
============================================
#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2013-11-19)
============================================
Meeting started by mmaslano at 16:04:20 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-19/env_and_stacks...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* init process (mmaslano, 16:07:42)
* ACTION: pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content of WG wiki
pages (mmaslano, 16:11:59)
* use urls like http://fp.o/wiki/Environment and Stacks/* (mmaslano,
16:13:15)
* and categories should use [[Category: Environment and Stacks]]
(mmaslano, 16:13:52)
* put a link to our homepage to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next (mmaslano, 16:17:44)
* PRD (mmaslano, 16:19:29)
* LINK: http://piratepad.net/PwUiH4MEPR (abadger1999, 17:04:53)
* ACTION: everyone to send one general thing they want the WG to
enable and one specific thing they'd personally want to work on to
the mailing list this week (abadger1999, 17:37:44)
Meeting ended at 17:43:04 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content of WG wiki pages
* everyone to send one general thing they want the WG to enable and one
specific thing they'd personally want to work on to the mailing list
this week
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* handsome_pirate
* pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content of WG wiki pages
* pkovar
* pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content of WG wiki pages
* **UNASSIGNED**
* everyone to send one general thing they want the WG to enable and
one specific thing they'd personally want to work on to the mailing
list this week
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* abadger1999 (101)
* mmaslano (70)
* tjanez (27)
* samkottler (17)
* drieden (14)
* pkovar (11)
* hhorak (9)
* zodbot (4)
* sochotni (2)
* nirik (1)
* bkabrda (0)
* juhp (0)
* handsome_pirate (0)
Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4
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16:04:20 <mmaslano> #startmeeting Env and Stacks (2013-11-19)
16:04:20 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 19 16:04:20 2013 UTC. The
chair is mmaslano. Information about MeetBot at
http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
16:04:20 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea
#link #topic.
16:04:27 <mmaslano> #meetingname env and stacks
16:04:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'env_and_stacks'
16:05:37 <mmaslano> #chair abadger1999 pkovar tjanez samkottler bkabrda
handsome_pirate hhorak juhp
16:05:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 bkabrda handsome_pirate
hhorak juhp mmaslano pkovar samkottler tjanez
16:06:06 <mmaslano> how many people is here?
16:06:14 <hhorak> Hi, I am
16:06:24 <tjanez> hi
16:06:24 <drieden> Hello
16:06:24 * pkovar is here
16:06:27 * sochotni
16:07:36 <mmaslano> ok, we have some members here
16:07:42 <mmaslano> #topic init process
16:08:01 <mmaslano> let's go through old stuff first
16:08:27 <mmaslano> I admit I forgot to create trac request, I opened a
ticket now https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4124
16:08:34 <mmaslano> what about wiki pages?
16:09:15 <pkovar> keep them where they are?
16:09:34 <pkovar> i think that other WG are also using fedora wiki, no?
16:10:03 <mmaslano> someone had to create them
16:10:06 <tjanez> I believe handsome_pirate said he'll setup our Wiki page
16:10:14 <tjanez> on Fedora wiki, of course
16:10:32 <mmaslano> I understand he will put content about WG on one place
16:10:33 <pkovar> good, i can help with that
16:10:53 <mmaslano> pkovar: do you want to poke him what's the status or
if we have any problem?
16:11:09 * abadger1999 here
16:11:13 <pkovar> sure, will try to hunt him down :-)
16:11:42 <drieden> is handsome_pirate in Westford? If so, want me to
follow up with him?
16:11:43 * abadger1999 nots that "space on the wiki" should just be
convention.
16:11:59 <mmaslano> #action pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content
of WG wiki pages
16:12:15 <mmaslano> drieden: I do not know, where is he located
16:12:17 <abadger1999> with mediawiki, convention is usually like
[[Category: Environment and Stacks]]
16:12:50 <abadger1999> but in Fedora, we like using urls like
http://fp.o/wiki/Environment and Stacks/*
16:13:15 <mmaslano> #info use urls like http://fp.o/wiki/Environment
and Stacks/*
16:13:28 <abadger1999> mmaslano: We should also use categories.
16:13:44 <abadger1999> as categories have support in mediawiki (like the
listing of all pages in the categories)
16:13:52 <mmaslano> #info and categories should use [[Category:
Environment and Stacks]]
16:13:59 <mmaslano> abadger1999: feel free to mark it by yourself
16:14:12 <hhorak> maybe put a link to our homepage to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next
16:17:44 <mmaslano> #info put a link to our homepage to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next
16:17:49 <mmaslano> more comments to wiki?
16:19:21 <mmaslano> I understand no
16:19:29 <mmaslano> #topic PRD
16:19:41 <mmaslano> let's move what we want to do or should do in our group
16:20:07 <mmaslano> I asked nirik about Formulas - it's sort of dead
project, so we can move to next topics :)
16:20:42 <mmaslano> he promised some summary about it, when he has time
16:20:55 <abadger1999> Formulas is good if someone wants to push it.
Otherwise, there's no one to do the work.
16:21:05 * nirik subscribed but hasn't had time to send yet. will try today.
16:21:15 <mmaslano> nirik: thanks
16:21:21 <pkovar> what about stacks 2.0?
16:21:26 <abadger1999> AFAIK, there's no code. Just an idea about
capabilities.
16:21:45 <hhorak> btw. Dev Assistant is a bit similar project to
formulas, afaict...
16:22:08 <mmaslano> pkovar: jan is not here, but he told me he'd like to
plan scl-utils-2.0 with bigger changes, maybe incompatible. Re-do what
we did wrong
16:22:36 <pkovar> ok, sounds interesting
16:23:08 <abadger1999> hhorak: Looks to me like they differ in scope.
16:23:26 <abadger1999> hhorak: formulas could (theoretically) be the
technology that enables DevAssistant.
16:23:39 <hhorak> what we can do even now is we can submit RFE bugs for
scl-utils if anybody has some ideas for enhancements..
16:23:42 <abadger1999> hhorak: but formulas would be more generic in scope.
16:24:17 <mmaslano> hhorak: yes, we'd like to do some planning meeting
what Jan should do in next release
16:24:27 <abadger1999> Is there a timeframe?
16:24:29 <mmaslano> ideas are welcomed
16:24:37 <hhorak> abadger1999: thanks for explanation
16:24:44 <mmaslano> abadger1999: at Friday we will start :)
16:25:00 * abadger1999 thinks it could help with FPC if I could tell
them -- identify things that can be changed in scls for scl2.
16:25:26 <abadger1999> takes some of the pressure off when you know that
the next version won't have the rough edges that you found in the
present one.
16:25:47 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I don't think we see same problems
(packagers, fpc)
16:26:06 <mmaslano> abadger1999: could we post the plan on mailing list
and comment on it?
16:26:13 <abadger1999> mmaslano: FPC is packagers.
16:26:14 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I guess we can put it on some public wiki
16:26:48 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I'm sorry, I ment scl heavy users has
different issues than fpc
16:27:30 <abadger1999> mmaslano: To keep growing who is going to use
scls the FPC issues should be addressed.
16:28:09 <mmaslano> abadger1999: as I said post your comments on env and
stacks mailing list in short summary
16:28:20 <abadger1999> What comments?
16:28:43 <mmaslano> features?
16:28:48 <abadger1999> ?
16:28:55 <abadger1999> I don't understand the context.
16:29:06 <abadger1999> what do you want posted to the ml?
16:29:37 <mmaslano> abadger1999: you said "identify things that can be
changed in scls for scl2". I'm saying ok, post list of those things on
mailing list
16:29:43 <abadger1999> ah
16:30:29 <abadger1999> mmaslano: I think we probably need to reach out
to the other FPC members.
16:31:01 <abadger1999> timeframe for knowing the requirements, ask if
they can determine what issues exist with the current implementation by
that time, etc.
16:31:38 <abadger1999> Alternately -- will there be an scls3?
16:32:43 <mmaslano> what should be there?
16:33:45 <abadger1999> Very likely. The problem is that right now
there's only one large user of scls. As more people start using it for
their purposes limitations and issues will crop up that will need to be
addressed.
16:34:45 <drieden> It would be helpful to identify these use cases and
add them to the prd.
16:34:46 <abadger1999> If scls2 is planned for, say 6 months from now...
I don't think that enough people will be using it for fedora packages to
identify most of the places where it makes things hard instead of easy
for our use case.
16:35:37 <pkovar> drieden: +1. that could also help our documentation
efforts
16:36:06 <abadger1999> drieden: Yep -- but I'm saying, it's too early to
have identified those well.
16:36:18 <drieden> pkovar Yes, that sounds good.
16:36:43 <drieden> abadger1999 Yes, that makes sense too. You cannot
see into the future. But if there are things we know of now, it would
be helpful to document.
16:36:58 <abadger1999> We/everyone who works on an scls2 should put in
the use cases they can think of but there's not enough of us/enough real
scl creators to actually do a good job of that at the moment.
16:37:26 <abadger1999> That's why I'm saying, thinking about there being
an scls3 would be a good idea.
16:37:53 <abadger1999> ie: we're thinking that this won't be the last
opportunity to break compatibility and rethink the capabilities of hte tool.
16:38:02 <abadger1999> so we don't have to get scls2 perfect.
16:38:13 <abadger1999> it just has to be better than scls1
16:38:29 <abadger1999> Does that make sense
16:38:30 <abadger1999> ?
16:38:34 <pkovar> no software is perfect ;-)
16:38:38 <drieden> :)
16:39:03 <abadger1999> pkovar: <nod> yes. But sometimes we get
(rightfully) more attached to stability and backwards compat than
perfection.
16:39:09 <mmaslano> imho it's soon to discuss it
16:39:13 <abadger1999> For instance, rpm :-)
16:39:50 <tjanez> While I like the scls (whichever version :-)), I
propose we take a step back and try to identify the "big picture" of our
WG first. I think the "Charter" thread on the ML
(https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-and-stacks/2013-November/00...)
was a good start but it died off last week...
16:40:10 <abadger1999> tjanez: +1
16:40:22 <sochotni> tjanez: indeed, not everything is about SCLs
16:40:29 <abadger1999> So one thing in the Charter discussion -- I do
not think we should be treading on the FPC ground.
16:40:51 <abadger1999> And I also think we should be careful about
creating Guidelines that we want people to follow here.
16:40:52 <drieden> tjanez +1.
16:41:26 <tjanez> abadger1999: Are you referring to my email?
16:41:32 <abadger1999> We should be coming up with guideline drafts here
but they should be approved elsewhere.
16:41:43 <abadger1999> tjanez: I think mmaslano's mostly, but yours as well.
16:42:06 <mmaslano> tjanez: I agree with big picture :)
16:42:26 <tjanez> abadger1999, I agree with you and I think we should
invent a way to cooperate with FPC
16:42:48 <tjanez> having you on-board makes it easy, though :-)
16:44:01 <tjanez> Well, I would like to iterate our discussion/ideas a
little more
16:44:06 <abadger1999> Final discussion, redrafting, and approval of
guidelines is something that does require a great deal of attention to
precedent and attention to the big picture in Fedora. Whereas what we
seem to be leaning towards is finding out both what does and doesn't
work via experimentation with new technologies.
16:44:31 <abadger1999> tjanez: to some extent :-) But I'm only one
committee member.
16:44:48 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I disagree if we use different
repository for playing with new things, it could work
16:45:12 <mmaslano> anyway that's not about what WG will do
16:45:43 <tjanez> abadger1999, I mostly agree with you
16:45:47 <abadger1999> mmaslano: I disagree but when we talk about a
different repository, I could see having other bodies like FPC that can
do guideline redrafting and approval for that repo.
16:46:08 <tjanez> could we say than that our WG is moving faster and is
not restricted so much with current guidelines/policies
16:46:14 <mmaslano> in my opinion it slows down development
16:46:27 <abadger1999> mmaslano: also -- a different repository could be
a "wild west repository"... ie: (most) anything goes.
16:46:40 <mmaslano> abadger1999: what I understood from Fedora.next
proposal, some WGs should have less strict policies or no policies
16:46:52 <abadger1999> and in that sort of repo, I wouldn't have a
problem with no guidelines.
16:47:05 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I would be fine with wild west for
images, scl2, ...
16:47:33 <tjanez> So our WG is like "incubation" of ideas
16:47:52 <tjanez> and good ideas are then re-iterated and formalized
16:47:53 <abadger1999> mmaslano: I saw that a little different -- we
would have some "repositories" with less strict policies. But those
weren't related to the WGs.
16:47:55 <mmaslano> tjanez: that's something to put in PRD :)
16:48:03 <abadger1999> mmaslano: Cool :-)
16:48:37 <abadger1999> mmaslano: So that might be something to put into
our charter/prd -- one of the things we want to deliver is anything-goes
repositories.
16:48:41 <mmaslano> tjanez: I asked Matt few weeks back, it shouldn't be
PRD,because Env and STacks is not a real product. So starting with ideas
should be ok
16:49:40 <tjanez> What we still have to do is at least somewhat define
the terms environments and stacks
16:49:50 <tjanez> stacks will be easier, I think
16:50:01 <tjanez> since we all have some image of it
16:50:08 <drieden> mmaslano Is there a PRD template that we are supposed
to use?
16:50:25 <tjanez> environments (from Matt slides) are not so clear, IMO
16:50:37 <mmaslano> drieden: no, I guess only Workstation has final
version of PRD, but we had only list of areas/ideas
16:50:44 * abadger1999 notes -- to organize our thoughts it might be
helpful to open a gobby doc.
16:51:00 <hhorak> tjanez: +1 defining the terms also seems essential to me
16:51:22 <tjanez> abadger1999: I haven't used gobby yet, but go ahead,
teach us :-)
16:51:31 <drieden> mmaslano Ok. It might be good to have our outline of
what we are going to put into the PRD and then focus on those areas.
The terms is a great thing to have in the PRD.
16:51:43 <abadger1999> yum install gobby
16:52:36 <abadger1999> join session
16:52:44 <abadger1999> Host: gobby.fedoraproject.org
16:52:48 <abadger1999> Port: 6522
16:52:59 <abadger1999> Name: arbitrary to identify you
16:53:12 <abadger1999> It'll ask for a passwd
16:53:18 <mmaslano> drieden: I thought we should discuss items, which
Matt mentioned here http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#24
16:53:27 <abadger1999> You can get that by doing: ssh fedorapeople.org
cat /home/fedora/lmacken/gobby
16:53:47 <abadger1999> If you don't have access to fedorapeople/the ssh
command doesn't work, I can PM it to you.
16:53:50 <mmaslano> drieden: and add some parts, which are needed by
other WGs, like using containers
16:54:57 <drieden> mmaslano thanks, looking now.
16:56:27 <tjanez> Ok, I'm on gobby now
16:58:13 <abadger1999> tjanez: Cool. I started a doc:Env and Stacks Charter
16:58:34 <tjanez> abadger1999: Yea, I follow you typing live
16:59:18 <drieden> abadger1999 I am unable to get gobby I get permission
denied.
16:59:42 <abadger1999> drieden: k. When trying to connect to
gobby.fedoraproject.org?
16:59:48 <tjanez> mmaslano: Regarding our charter and Matt's slide 24,
how much into details regarding the implementation details we want to go?
17:00:20 <mmaslano> tjanez: now, high level, abstract.
17:00:28 <mmaslano> tjanez: I don't we need details in Charter
17:00:51 <tjanez> mmaslano: Ok, thanks for clearing that up
17:00:56 <drieden> abadger1999 I can get to gobby.fedoraproject.org.
Permission denied with ssh
17:01:31 <abadger1999> drieden: k. Private messaging you the gobby.fp.o
password.
17:01:42 <tjanez> mmaslano: I'm also in favor of a high-level document
17:03:34 <abadger1999> Okay -- we don't all have access to the gobby
package it seems.
17:03:41 <abadger1999> Maybe something like etherpad?
17:03:56 <samkottler> sorry, my TZ's are apparently totally messed up
today :(
17:03:59 * abadger1999 figures out where public hosting of that kind of
thing is
17:04:00 <mmaslano> etherpad would be fine, if we have some public instance
17:04:16 * abadger1999 found one -- setting up a doc
17:04:53 <abadger1999> http://piratepad.net/PwUiH4MEPR
17:05:07 <abadger1999> Okay, hopefully that works better for everyone.
17:05:27 <abadger1999> Sorry everyone that just got gobby set up :-)
17:07:38 <abadger1999> when I read about env and stacks in mattdm's
document... it really seemed like two words to mean the same thing.
17:08:07 <abadger1999> "stacks of software to enable running/developing
other software"
17:08:19 <abadger1999> "isolated environments to enable
running/developing other software"
17:08:59 <mmaslano> no, see http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#18
17:09:08 <mmaslano> and http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#19
17:09:27 <mmaslano> but it's too cloud centric, we should think bigger :)
17:09:59 <mmaslano> samkottler: do you know where to put cartridges?
http://piratepad.net/PwUiH4MEPR
17:10:07 <mmaslano> samkottler: and do you know everything about them?
17:10:40 <samkottler> mmaslano: I wouldn't say *everything* but yeah, I
know mostly how they work :)
17:10:59 <samkottler> mmaslano: I think they fall into the environments
group
17:11:00 <mmaslano> samkottler: I know a little. It's not clear to me
what should we do with them
17:11:05 <samkottler> or in a third category
17:11:19 <samkottler> because they're kind of both the runtime and pull
in the software
17:11:23 <samkottler> I would lean toward environments
17:12:01 <abadger1999> mmaslano: <nod> I can agree with the examples...
I just don't know that the separation he makes between them really
exists :-)
17:12:01 <mmaslano> samkottler: and how should they change or should
they go into some repo, to make them available easier or what?
17:12:31 * abadger1999 is a little hesitant about "desktop environments"
but is willing to see where something specific takes that first.
17:12:44 <samkottler> mmaslano: hmm they're expected to be git repos so
it doesn't really make sense to package them IMO
17:12:56 <samkottler> although we could work with the openshift folks to
figure out a sane way to package them up
17:13:00 <samkottler> which I imagine will be useful for them, too
17:13:17 <samkottler> abadger1999: yeah, we might end up stepping on
some toes with that one
17:13:20 <mmaslano> samkottler: so that's probably the goal for cartridges
17:13:26 <hhorak> Having in mind a difference between env. and stacks in
a modularity aspect (http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#17), then cartridges
seem more like stacks to me
17:13:28 <abadger1999> samkottler: alternately -- the goal could be to
eventually have a Fedora Cartridges git repo.
17:13:41 <abadger1999> ie: the git repos are the "packaging"
17:14:48 <samkottler> abadger1999: true, although I wonder if we're
going to overlap too much with the work that the openshift team is doing
17:15:24 <tjanez> hhorak, +1, as I understand OpenShift Cartridges, they
are more like stacks
17:15:42 <abadger1999> samkottler: I'm... not sure :-) I guess Fedora
got its start as providing addon packages to RHL that had a known
quality to them.
17:15:42 <tjanez> also, Matt put them under Stacks
(http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#19)
17:16:11 <abadger1999> samkottler: And having community (instead of 100%
paid people) making and maintaining those packages.
17:16:21 <abadger1999> I could see a similar relationship with the
openshift team.
17:16:22 <mmaslano> does it matter? stacks or environment?
17:16:32 <abadger1999> mmaslano: +1 to does not matter :-)
17:16:52 <samkottler> abadger1999: yeah, we should start that
conversation with the openshift team, though
17:16:56 <abadger1999> <nod>
17:17:23 <abadger1999> samkottler: So... probably coordination with both
inside Fedora Groups and outside Fedora groups is one of our
responsibilities?
17:17:27 <samkottler> mmaslano: not really beyond semantics IMO
17:17:57 <abadger1999> (like -- coordinate with openshift team about
guidelines and what we provide vs what they provide. Coordinate withh
infra for being able to host a git repo for cartridges)
17:18:42 <samkottler> abadger1999: I'm not a huge fan of using
fedorahosted for this, though
17:19:11 <abadger1999> samkottler: yeah, I.... am not sure fedorahosted
is a good fit.
17:19:26 <abadger1999> samkottler: But wouldn't that be something we
coordinate with infra?
17:19:48 <samkottler> abadger1999: yep, I just suspect that FH will be
the first suggestion for where it should live :)
17:21:28 <abadger1999> Us: "We need git repos for hosting experimental
openshift cartridges with the eventual goal of providing them similar to
how we provide yum repositories". Infra: "We currently have git hosting
via fedorahosted" Us: "Once we get to $Size or $Officialness or $Other
we probably want something more that satisfies those needs better"
17:21:44 <abadger1999> Infra: "Okay, let's talk about budget and
timeframe for that"
17:22:08 <abadger1999> samkottler: something like that is how I suspect
it might go? Sound reasonable?
17:22:19 <samkottler> abadger1999: yep, WFM
17:27:36 * tjanez will have another meeting in 3 minutes
17:28:12 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I'm also leaving
17:28:19 <abadger1999> tjanez: Note -- we might want to implement the
"definitely conflicts with pacaging guidelines" packages in a separate
repo from the "experimental but aimed at eventually coming from the main
fedora repos"
17:28:25 <abadger1999> as separate repositories.
17:28:31 <mmaslano> abadger1999: could you chair rest of the meeting or
I can end meeting in few minutes
17:28:45 <abadger1999> mmaslano: I'm okay to end
17:29:04 <abadger1999> mmaslano: what do we want to do to continue the
charter work this week?
17:29:37 <abadger1999> I can paste what we have into a wiki page.
17:29:59 <abadger1999> But people will need to add things to it if we
expect it to see progress this week :-)
17:30:14 <tjanez> abadger1999: +1 regarding the eventually coming from
the main Fedora repos
17:30:16 <mmaslano> abadger1999: we can continue on the piratepad, but
please do backup :)
17:30:41 <abadger1999> mmaslano: Roger -- I'll copy to a wiki page after
the meeting
17:31:11 <abadger1999> And set a reminder to check the piratepad later
this week for updates.
17:31:54 <abadger1999> mmaslano: what should people do this week to move
this forward?
17:32:37 <mmaslano> abadger1999: continue with proposal?
17:33:12 <abadger1999> mmaslano: Right :-) I mean -- what should people
actually focus on doing?
17:33:55 <mmaslano> probably on their area of expertise :) which is bad
because cartridges, containers, ... not so many people
17:34:34 <mmaslano> but they can add also their ideas from their area if
it fits into big plan of WG
17:34:36 <abadger1999> Something like: "Everyone send one general thing
they want the WG to enable and one specific thing they'd personally want
to work on to the mailing list this week"
17:35:21 <mmaslano> abadger1999: +1
17:35:40 <hhorak> and all can start learning something about cartridges..
17:36:58 <pkovar> sounds good to me
17:37:26 <abadger1999> Cool.
17:37:30 <drieden> sounds good to me too
17:37:43 <tjanez> abadger1999: +1 on making thing go forward
17:37:44 <abadger1999> #action everyone to send one general thing they
want the WG to enable and one specific thing they'd personally want to
work on to the mailing list this week
17:39:00 <abadger1999> we'll work on fitting those into the charter
draft and maybe what we're going to actually start working on in January
based on those.
17:41:10 <mmaslano> I'll close meeting in one minute
17:42:31 <hhorak> So, see you everyone!
17:42:38 <samkottler> cya!
17:42:49 <drieden> bye bye
17:42:51 <pkovar> bye
17:43:04 <mmaslano> #endmeeting
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2013-11-18 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson
As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20131118
Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-11-25 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting.
If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please
add them to the Wiki page at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20131125. Thanks!
TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up
=======================================================================
* "roshi to help out adamw with CommonsBugs page" - this was
done, Common_F20_bugs[1] is now up to date for Beta
* "roshi to file Final TC1 compose request" - this was also
done[2], and TC1 was built
TOPIC: Fedora 20 Final status
=======================================================================
* tflink mentioned that the blocker tracking app would be
updated 'in the next day or so'. The new version was already
available for testing[3]
* Several ARM images failed to compose for TC1 due to yumex
dependency issue, adamw will try to ensure it's resolved for
TC2
* There were still lots of gaps in the matrices from TC1
testing, we should aim to get as close to full coverage as we
can with TC2
* TC2 request would likely be filed the day of the meeting
TOPIC: Open floor
=======================================================================
* cmurf raised the question of whether we should lobby for
changes to the 'support status' of LVM thinp and/or btrfs
* We voted, and agreed that we would propose to anaconda team
and/or fesco that anaconda and F20 marketing be modified to
put LVM thinp in 'feature preview mode': the installer should
hide it or warn that it is unsupported, and marketing
materials should either leave it out or list it as a preview
Action items
=======================================================================
* jreznik to move forward with proposing switch to 'feature
preview mode' for thinp
* cmurf and kparal to discuss status of btrfs with anaconda
team
1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F20_bugs
2. https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5808
3. https://qa.stg.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net
http://www.happyassassin.net
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Famsco meeting logs
by alejandro perez
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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-11-15)
by Alick Zhao
Hi all,
The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at the link [1]. Thanks
everyone for attending the meeting.
In the meeting we talked about FUDCon bid progress, F20 Release Party,
and L10N. Please review the proposed ideas and actions.
The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-11-22). Please
come and join the discussion if you can!
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Meeting started by alick at 13:00:37 UTC. The full logs are available at
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Meeting summary
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* 报到 (alick, 13:00:57)
* FUDCON APAC 2014 申办 (alick, 13:10:53)
* ACTION: alick to email out the current version of planning document
(alick, 13:14:35)
* dongfengweixiao 提到北京联合大学可能可以提供免费场地 (alick, 13:18:06)
* ACTION: dongfengweixiao contact Beijing Union Univ for more info
(alick, 13:18:35)
* ACTION: Li Zhenbo 完善一下 wiki 的 IRC meetings 条目 (endle, 13:19:19)
* HELP: everyone to update the bid wiki page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2014 (alick,
13:27:03)
* F20 Release Party (alick, 13:30:58)
* fedora rel party 上海站日期初步定于12-22 (RobberPhex, 13:34:22)
* kraks 会联系地大寻找 F20 relparty 北京站场地 (alick, 13:37:03)
* ACTION: tonghuix to find possible bar for relparty beijing (alick,
13:55:17)
* 中文翻译 (alick, 13:56:13)
* LINK:
https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora/language/zh_CN/?project=2060
(alick, 13:56:22)
Meeting ended at 14:01:27 UTC.
Action Items
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* alick to email out the current version of planning document
* dongfengweixiao contact Beijing Union Univ for more info
* Li Zhenbo 完善一下 wiki 的 IRC meetings 条目
* tonghuix to find possible bar for relparty beijing
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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-11-14)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-11-14)
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Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-14/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* welcome everyone (nirik, 19:00:04)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:02:59)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:11:39)
* coprs launch going well, 10GB of storage used so far. Next week SCL
building hopefully. (nirik, 19:13:46)
* new version of fedora-tagger landed in production today. some
enhancements requested by community members. (threebean, 19:14:32)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/tagger (threebean, 19:14:37)
* pkgdb2 is up for testing at http://209.132.184.188/ feedback/bug
reports/rfe welcome at https://github.com/fedora-infra/packagedb2/
(pingou, 19:14:44)
* fedocal 0.3.0 tagged an deployed today (pingou, 19:15:14)
* mailman3 work moving along. Hopefully ready for a prod instance
before too long. (nirik, 19:32:01)
* python-fedora release blocked by 2 issues. Help wanted to move it
along. (nirik, 19:32:22)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:35:17)
* fedocal moved to ansible today (nirik, 19:35:41)
* outage next week (nirik, 19:36:35)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:40:53)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
(nirik, 19:40:54)
* Open Floor (nirik, 19:42:06)
Meeting ended at 19:54:24 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (93)
* pingou (37)
* threebean (24)
* abompard (16)
* anshprat (13)
* wraeth (12)
* docent (11)
* abadger1999 (9)
* mirek (9)
* frankieonuonga (6)
* jimikirk (5)
* zodbot (4)
* lmacken (4)
* relrod (3)
* ausmarton (1)
* tflink (1)
* puiterwijk (0)
* smooge (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* dgilmore (0)
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19:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-11-14)
19:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 14 19:00:04 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:04 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
19:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
19:00:04 <nirik> #topic welcome everyone
19:00:04 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk
19:00:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
19:00:33 * lmacken
19:00:36 <nirik> who alll is around for a infra meeting?
19:00:39 * pingou
19:00:41 * threebean is here
19:00:55 * ausmarton is here
19:01:15 * relrod is here but won't be for the entire meeting :(
19:01:17 * abompard is here
19:01:18 * mirek is here
19:01:28 * anshprat here
19:01:36 <pingou> relrod: we'll miss you :)
19:01:46 <frankieonuonga> where is relrod going ?
19:02:12 <relrod> pingou: Oh I'll be doing much more fun things like waiting for my mom while she has a doctor appointment ;)
19:02:32 <pingou> relrod: don't forget your phone/laptop/book ;-)
19:02:37 <relrod> yep :)
19:02:41 <pingou> relrod: and hope she does all right ;)
19:02:47 * wraeth is here and would like to introduce himself when appropriate
19:02:48 <frankieonuonga> wish you the best relrod
19:02:50 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive in.
19:02:51 <pingou> (or alright, I never know which is which)
19:02:58 * frankieonuonga is here
19:02:59 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks
19:03:13 <nirik> any new folks want to introduce themselves? or apprentices with question/comments?
19:03:20 <nirik> wraeth: ? :)
19:03:25 <wraeth> hello people :)
19:03:41 <wraeth> I'm Sam (wraeth) - sent the intro email a couple of days ago
19:04:03 <wraeth> i'll just be lurking around while I get a feel for things if that's okay
19:04:29 <nirik> excellent. welcome!
19:04:41 <anshprat> askbot stg looking good
19:04:51 <nirik> it's absoletely fine... ask questions as they come to you.
19:04:53 <anshprat> am just closing on the login part
19:05:04 <wraeth> will do :)
19:05:08 <nirik> anshprat: great work. ;) the multlingual is still not working tho right? ;(
19:05:08 <jimikirk> I also like to introduce myself as an apperentice, My name is James (jimikirk) and I've been looking forward to contribute as a sys admin to fedora project
19:05:18 <anshprat> nirik: nope, another crash
19:05:41 <nirik> welcome jimikirk.
19:05:42 * abadger1999 sorta here... but mostly in fpc meeting
19:06:06 <jimikirk> nirik: thanks, first time here, hope I can help
19:06:07 <nirik> wraeth / jimikirk: you are both interested in the sysadmin side of things? or also application devel/coding/
19:06:30 <anshprat> nirik: threebean: I am hitting the roads again for 10 days, so will update the bug, we should be good to release a package
19:06:43 <wraeth> i'm interested in coding, but only have experience in scripting - self taught VB long time ago, but want to learn C++
19:06:44 <threebean> anshprat: safe travels!
19:06:45 <anshprat> echevemaster will mostly pick it up from the bug
19:06:50 <anshprat> threebean: thanks :)
19:07:02 <jimikirk> nirik: I have experience in python, perl, ruby and shell/awk/sed as well as C and C++
19:07:17 <nirik> anshprat: sounds good. I hope we might be able to also get the theme setup for the update at the same time too.
19:07:25 <anshprat> jimikirk: wraeth: welcome aboard
19:07:55 <anshprat> nirik: alright..
19:07:56 <nirik> wraeth / jimikirk: cool. See me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and I can set you up in our apprentice group... and see #fedora-apps for our application development/coding folks.
19:08:08 <jimikirk> anshprat: thanks, looking forward to be part of the community
19:08:25 <wraeth> nirik, anshprat: thanks and will do
19:08:47 <nirik> cool. Any other apprentice questions or new folks? if not, moving along...
19:08:49 <jimikirk> nirik: will do
19:09:05 * docent is a bit late ;)
19:09:12 <nirik> Hey docent.
19:09:15 <docent> I'm newcomer - hello guys :)
19:09:31 <docent> I sent my introduce msg yesterday
19:09:40 <nirik> docent: welcome!
19:09:53 <docent> I got some exp in RHELs envs, also use Feodra as my main desktop OS :)
19:09:54 <nirik> docent: are you more intested in sysadmin stuff? or application devel/coding? or both?
19:10:26 <docent> Both. I'm RHCE working full time for the last 12 years ;) I can code safely in Bash / Python / Perl
19:11:27 <nirik> docent: cool. See me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and I can set you up in our apprentice group... and see #fedora-apps for our application development/coding folks.
19:11:39 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
19:11:43 <threebean> fwiw, I already added docent to fi-apprentice this morning.
19:11:50 <nirik> threebean: excellent. thanks.
19:11:57 <mirek> Copr have credentials stored in private infra repo now.
19:11:58 <mirek> Copr got fedmsg certificate and emits messages to bus (thanks to ralph).
19:12:00 <mirek> Copr consumed 10 GB of storage so far, so current storage will last one year. Unless copr become more popular.
19:12:01 <mirek> Hopefully next week will land changes there, that will allow building of software collections there.
19:12:06 <docent> For now I'm looking into http://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ so will be able to pick something for the beginning
19:12:12 <pingou> (for later: I have a remark regarding the wording on the introduction page)
19:12:29 <nirik> mirek: cool. ;)
19:12:35 <docent> threebean: not true - that was afternoon! ;)
19:12:42 <nirik> mirek: will be interesting to see how usage goes over time.
19:12:43 <threebean> docent: true, true!
19:13:06 <mirek> nirik: yes, I'm watching that closely
19:13:46 <nirik> #info coprs launch going well, 10GB of storage used so far. Next week SCL building hopefully.
19:13:46 <pingou> mirek: I wonder if we would be interested in a /stats page w/ the number of users, repo, copr
19:14:32 <threebean> #info new version of fedora-tagger landed in production today. some enhancements requested by community members.
19:14:32 <mirek> pingou: I would be, but this is just "nice-to-have" and there is long list "we-need-this"
19:14:37 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/tagger
19:14:44 <pingou> #info pkgdb2 is up for testing at http://209.132.184.188/ feedback/bug reports/rfe welcome at https://github.com/fedora-infra/packagedb2/
19:14:52 <pingou> mirek: ok
19:15:00 <nirik> threebean: is there a concise changelog/news ?
19:15:05 <mirek> but i plan to do some health status api call, so we can integrate it with status.fedoraproject.org
19:15:07 <nirik> pingou: have you had much feedback yet?
19:15:14 <pingou> #info fedocal 0.3.0 tagged an deployed today
19:15:22 <threebean> nirik: not readily availble. I can blog that if you think it'd be useful.
19:15:23 <pingou> nirik: I got a couple of bug report and RFE yes
19:16:07 <pingou> one of the bug report had to do w/ the db, took me the whole day to re convert pkgdb1 to pkgdb2 correctly, update and the bug flew away :)
19:16:13 <nirik> threebean: well, if they aren't a big deal not worth it, but if it's worth letting a wider audience know...
19:16:43 <threebean> nirik: cool, I'll give it a look over.
19:16:58 <nirik> hurray on fedocal. ;)
19:17:22 * nirik wonders if we should capture all those updates/changes and push one email/blog post with changes this week... or just do them per app.
19:17:23 <pingou> there has been many many bugfixes that kparal found and reported!
19:17:26 * frankieonuonga has to go.
19:17:44 <nirik> no problem, thanks for coming frankieonuonga
19:17:47 * frankieonuonga will catch the meeting logs
19:17:49 <pingou> I'll probably announce fedocal 0.3.0 as I did last time, but tomorrow :]
19:17:53 <frankieonuonga> thanks nirik
19:18:28 <nirik> so, we have a pretty short unfrozen window...
19:18:37 <nirik> any other plans for things to roll out before next freeze?
19:18:45 <lmacken> I'm going to roll out a new bodhi today, at least to the mashers
19:18:52 <nirik> as always, I'd love to see hotfix numbers go down. ;)
19:19:00 <lmacken> I don't think we'll need to update bodhi on any of the app servers during this window
19:19:03 <nirik> lmacken: cool.
19:19:17 <tflink> we're planning to update blockerbugs production next week
19:19:47 <nirik> tflink: cool.
19:20:44 <nirik> lmacken: reminds me... I don't recall if I filed a bug on this or not...
19:20:57 <nirik> bodhi doesn't seem to always remove tags from builds when someone deletes an update.
19:21:35 <lmacken> nirik: hm, I'll have a look
19:21:57 <nirik> ok. I might have failed to file it, but it's hit me a number of times. ;(
19:22:03 <nirik> ok, any other applications news?
19:22:38 <abompard> nirik: maybe a quick HyperKitty update?
19:22:41 <abadger1999> mm... /me is reminded he needs to make a python-fedora hotfix for the app servers.
19:22:57 <nirik> abompard: please... ;)
19:23:03 <nirik> abadger1999: can we just do a release? ;)
19:23:08 <abompard> it'll be quick: I've been working on the front page redesign that mizmo has mocked up
19:23:13 <abadger1999> nirik: still blocked on two issues.
19:23:26 <abompard> and fixing a few selinux-related bugs on the staging server
19:23:40 <abadger1999> we could revert the present otp code. that would unblock one thing.
19:23:59 <abadger1999> the other isn't a regression so we could roll out a release without fixing it.
19:24:01 <nirik> abompard: cool. What are next steps?
19:24:03 <abompard> it's not pushed yet because I depend on a pull request from her, but it'll be merged soon
19:24:17 <nirik> abompard: ok.
19:24:26 <abompard> when I can merge it I'll push my changes, update the staging server, and make sure it all works
19:25:12 <nirik> ok.
19:25:23 <threebean> abompard: can you give me a ping when you do? I'd like to take another stab at fedmsg there after the next push.
19:25:25 <nirik> abadger1999: well, hopefully we get unblocked at some point. ;(
19:25:36 <abompard> oh by the way, that's more for threebean but if you send an email to a list on the staging server, the actual subscribers have been imported, so it will be distributed to them...
19:25:49 <threebean> abompard: hooray :P
19:26:08 <abompard> threebean: yeah :-) so better not run tests with devel(a)lists.fp.o
19:26:08 <abadger1999> nirik: yeah... seems like we need one more pair of hands to get anywhere.
19:26:28 <nirik> which reminds me that we are going to have to put on our thinking caps when we make a prod mailman3
19:26:44 <abompard> yup.
19:27:36 <abompard> nirik: I'd say make sure all emails sent from this machine go to /dev/null, then add it to the email alias for the regular list
19:27:48 <abompard> and see how it goes
19:28:00 <pingou> threebean: we need also to seat and have a look at fedocal, I'm not sure it's sending msg yet (or we didn't ask him to send msg in places I thought we did)
19:28:03 <nirik> well, the problem is... lists.fedoraproject.org already is mailman2
19:28:27 <nirik> so we need to make it something else or figure some clever way to only redirect part of it/part emails
19:28:44 <abompard> nirik: can't we send the received messages to both mailman2 and the new mailman3 on stg?
19:29:47 <nirik> when we are ready to roll this out for production use we need to make a production instance. we don't want to reuse our staging in production, thats bad form.
19:29:54 <abompard> Oh well, we'll discuss it then. It'll be fun!
19:30:02 <abompard> nirik: true
19:30:03 <nirik> yeah, I'm sure we can work something out.
19:30:28 <abompard> OK that's all for HK
19:30:34 <nirik> I was thinking the prod one would start empty, then as we move lists over to it we migrate them one by one (starting with just a few at first to work out bugs)
19:30:46 <abompard> nirik: yeah, I like that
19:30:57 <nirik> but we might have to call it 'newlists' or something.
19:31:18 <threebean> pingou: sure thing.. I've added the task.
19:31:25 <pingou> \ó/
19:31:32 <abadger1999> threebean and pingou were talking about schedule for fedmsg-notification and pkgdb2 this morning :-)
19:31:48 <pingou> we were?
19:31:48 <threebean> oh, that's right.
19:31:54 <threebean> fedmsg-notifications due in staging mid december.
19:32:01 <nirik> #info mailman3 work moving along. Hopefully ready for a prod instance before too long.
19:32:11 <pingou> threebean: what was the hashtag you used earlier again ? :)
19:32:22 <nirik> #info python-fedora release blocked by 2 issues. Help wanted to move it along.
19:32:45 <pingou> more seriously, the idea is to use fedmsg-notification to do pkgdb2's notifications
19:32:58 <pingou> which spare me/us from having notifications w/in pkgdb2
19:33:14 * threebean nods
19:33:25 <threebean> and we're aiming for pkgdb2 to land shortly after the f20 final release in 2014.
19:33:46 <nirik> yeah, I am looking forward to fedmsg-notifications. I think it will be mucho cool.
19:33:47 <pingou> same time frame for fedmsg-notification in prod
19:34:04 <nirik> and might help us drop a bunch of other stuff from other apps too.
19:34:11 <threebean> over time, yes.
19:34:16 <nirik> yeah.
19:34:25 <threebean> badges never grew its own email code in anticipation ;p
19:35:02 <nirik> right.
19:35:07 <pingou> \ó/
19:35:08 <nirik> ok, anything else app wise?
19:35:17 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
19:35:24 <pingou> fedocal is moved to ansible :)
19:35:29 <threebean> awesome
19:35:32 <nirik> so, I'm planning an outage next week... 2013-11-20
19:35:34 <threebean> I didn't realize that was already done.
19:35:41 <nirik> #info fedocal moved to ansible today
19:36:35 <nirik> #info outage next week
19:36:47 <nirik> want to roll up updates and also resize db01's disk
19:37:47 <nirik> since we are out of freeze I have been trying to apply all the piled up stuff from freeze time.
19:37:55 <nirik> there's still a bit more, but getting there.
19:38:11 <nirik> If there is anything someone didn't do due to freeze, do look back and see if it can be rolled out now.
19:38:45 * abadger1999 needs to check if nirik's httpd log change fixed fasClient runs
19:38:55 <nirik> abadger1999: it did. ;)
19:38:59 <abadger1999> Yay!
19:40:06 <nirik> I also am likely going to check rdiff-backup's a final time and then disable bacula.
19:40:53 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
19:40:54 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
19:41:04 <nirik> anything upcoming anyone would like to schedule or note?
19:41:48 <threebean> nothing here, other than the new fedmsg-notifications and pkgdb2 due dates.
19:42:01 <nirik> cool.
19:42:06 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
19:42:21 <nirik> anyone have any items for open floor? anything to suggest/discuss?
19:43:07 <pingou> oh yes
19:43:15 <pingou> in the front page for newcomers
19:43:26 <pingou> we ask, what's they background basically
19:43:48 <pingou> but I wonder if it doesn't make people believe that since we know what they are capable of doing
19:43:53 <pingou> we will assign tasks
19:44:00 <nirik> perhaps.
19:44:19 <pingou> so I wonder if maybe we should phrase something on how we are working
19:44:20 <nirik> I think one of the biggest problems we have for new folks is that they do expect to be assigned things. ;)
19:44:32 <nirik> and we are much more 'self motivating'
19:44:36 <pingou> yes
19:44:44 <docent> Yes, we could think about that like this ;)
19:45:08 <pingou> docent: you made me realize this a little earlier
19:45:16 <nirik> we could move to a more mentor driven setup, but sadly, most of us are very busy for that...
19:45:20 <wraeth> nirik, pingou: it could sound like that, i guess, but i felt it was more a case of "what are you capable of now, and what do you want to do later"
19:45:56 <docent> Although I found somewhere note saying that If one wants to startin contributing he could check the easyfix and comment in issues he's interested in
19:45:57 <nirik> ideally shorter term we would have more easyfix tickets... it's hard to come up with good ones all the time tho
19:46:00 * anshprat agrees that folks expect assignments
19:46:01 <pingou> nirik: it would be easier to mentor if they know when they arrive what they want to work on :)
19:46:29 <nirik> pingou: sure, but often folks do not even know what all we have in place to work on. ;)
19:46:39 <pingou> that's true :)
19:46:50 <threebean> yup
19:47:30 <nirik> it's not an easy problem. ;(
19:47:42 <pingou> just food for thought, maybe tomorrow I'll see if I can change a little the wiki page and send the changes for review on the list
19:47:59 <wraeth> one possibility is task/infrastructre related introductions - an overview of what the infrastructure team encompasses what sorts of tasks are involved with them...?
19:48:09 * threebean nods
19:48:55 <pingou> good idea :)
19:49:00 <wraeth> there's a pretty comprehensive of the networking setup, but most of the rest is kind of left to interpretation, from what i could tell so far
19:49:10 <wraeth> *comprehensive introduction
19:49:25 <nirik> yeah, it's hard to think of everything tho. ;)
19:49:32 <wraeth> true :)
19:49:42 <anshprat> documentation is always a royal pain in the wrong place :)
19:50:00 <docent> Hmm honestly at the beginning I was little lost, but in the end I finished at http://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ and knew that I could pick something from there, so I'm not sure it thsis is that big issue. I mean - there is really good explanation on Your wikis how to proceed, how to go on with things.
19:50:09 <nirik> one thought I had a while back was to try and do some monthly 'intro' class thing.... have apprentices attend and present on various things we do.
19:50:25 <docent> All I had to do was to read those: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted
19:50:31 <anshprat> +1 to classroom
19:50:32 <nirik> yeah.
19:50:49 <pingou> nirik: we have a nice couple of movie of threebean :)
19:50:54 <pingou> movies*
19:50:57 <anshprat> and I volunteer for a session ;)
19:51:02 <nirik> yeah, true. we should link those in getting started.
19:51:13 <threebean> never got the last sysadmin-y one made.
19:51:26 <threebean> frankieo I think said he was going to work on it.
19:51:39 <nirik> ah yeah, thats right.
19:52:30 <nirik> ok, I guess we should close out unless there's some further action item on this we can do?
19:53:04 * mirek would welcome sessions too
19:54:14 <nirik> yeah, I'll look into that more perhaps then. ;)
19:54:22 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
19:54:24 <nirik> #endmeeting
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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2013-11-14 17:00 - 19:10 UTC)
by James Antill
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#fedora-meeting-1: fpc
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Meeting started by abadger1999 at 17:00:29 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-14/fedora-meeti...
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Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (abadger1999, 17:00:41)
* #339 software collections in Fedora (abadger1999, 17:03:44)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/339 (abadger1999,
17:03:49)
* #352 BLAS and LAPACK packaging (abadger1999, 17:10:14)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/352 (abadger1999,
17:10:19)
* Approved (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) FPC favors using environment modules for
this as it seems to avoid the problem of applications which might
want to link to one blas implementation but a dependent library is
linked to another. If someone would present us with a draft based
on that we'll be happy to review and vote on it. (abadger1999,
17:25:01)
* #355 How to package noarch packages which require a binary
dependency which doesn't build on all archs? (abadger1999, 17:25:24)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/355 (abadger1999,
17:25:29)
* Noarch_with_unported_dependencies minus the paragraph specifying the
fail-and-resubmit option passed (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999,
17:47:53)
* #357 time-api prior to openJDK8 (abadger1999, 17:48:08)
* 365 New virtual Provides for javax time-api (abadger1999, 17:51:31)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/365 (abadger1999,
17:51:36)
* virtual provides for java8's time api granted (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0)
(abadger1999, 17:53:09)
* 366 Should we hand enabling third party repositories back to fesco?
(abadger1999, 17:53:59)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/366 (abadger1999,
17:54:03)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/671 (abadger1999,
17:56:37)
* LINK:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-packaging/2006-October/msg00132.html
(abadger1999, 17:57:40)
* LINK: http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-extras/msg30902.html
(tibbs|w, 18:01:24)
* Proposal (See ticket
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/366#comment:1) Is currently
(+1:4, 0:1, -1:0) will ask for more votes in ticket. (abadger1999,
18:55:04)
* Open Floor (abadger1999, 18:55:12)
* #363 exception for bundled library libntirpc in nfs-ganesha
(abadger1999, 18:56:22)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/363 (abadger1999,
18:56:32)
* Open Floor (abadger1999, 19:01:23)
* #362 lpf should not be allowed in Fedora (abadger1999, 19:02:15)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/362 (abadger1999,
19:02:20)
* lpf is okay for Fedora, lpf-* packages should move to a more
appropriate repo Needs more votes: (+1:3, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999,
19:07:41)
* 363 exception for bundled library libntirpc in nfs-ganesha
(abadger1999, 19:07:59)
* Temporary bundling exception for libntirpc in nfs-ganesha until
after Fedora 23 -- need more votes in ticket (+1:4, 0:0, -1:0)
(abadger1999, 19:10:24)
* Open Floor (abadger1999, 19:10:44)
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