Summary of EPEL Meeting 2014-08-29
by Stephen John Smoogen
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#epel: EPEL (2014-08-29)
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Meeting started by smooge at 16:00:13 UTC. The full logs are available
athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/epel/2014-08-29/epel_weekly_meeting.20...
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Meeting summary
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* meet and greets (smooge, 16:01:04)
* meet and greets (smooge, 16:01:31)
* Agenda (smooge, 16:04:22)
* 1) Meet and Greets (smooge, 16:04:38)
* 2) Agenda (smooge, 16:04:45)
* 3) EPEL 7 out of beta (smooge, 16:04:54)
* 4) EPEL.<stuff> discussion (smooge, 16:05:06)
* 5) Open Flood (smooge, 16:05:17)
* 6) End meeting (smooge, 16:05:24)
* EPEL 7 out of beta (smooge, 16:05:37)
* Bodhi needs to get some work done still (smooge, 16:07:20)
* updates do not work correctly yet but will soon. (smooge, 16:07:31)
* EPEL.<stuff> discussion (smooge, 16:17:22)
* ACTION: Jeff_S and dgilmore and others to discuss .rpmsave issue
(smooge, 16:20:11)
* AGREED: EPEL short term governance team members: smooge, nirik,
dgilmore, and Evolution (smooge, 16:29:35)
* moving discussion of governance structure and policy to mailing
list. Votes to finalize anything that feels need a vote will be next
weeks meeting (smooge, 16:49:13)
* Open Flood. (smooge, 16:49:47)
* ACTION: Add time in testing to policy discussion on mailing list
(smooge, 16:57:59)
* Thanks for coming everyone. See you on the list. (smooge, 17:13:57)
Meeting ended at 17:14:12 UTC.
Action Items
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* Jeff_S and dgilmore and others to discuss .rpmsave issue
* Add time in testing to policy discussion on mailing list
Action Items, by person
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* dgilmore
* Jeff_S and dgilmore and others to discuss .rpmsave issue
* Jeff_S
* Jeff_S and dgilmore and others to discuss .rpmsave issue
* **UNASSIGNED**
* Add time in testing to policy discussion on mailing list
People Present (lines said)
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* smooge (97)
* Jeff_S (43)
* dgilmore (42)
* nirik (33)
* kbsingh (31)
* maxamillion (26)
* avij (8)
* bstinson (6)
* zodbot (3)
* orionp (2)
* Ussat (1)
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9 years, 7 months
Re: [FZH] Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2014-08-29)
by Zamir Sun
Forward to the meetingminutes list
于 2014/8/29 23:29, Ray Dobie 写道:
> Hi all,
>
> The IRC meeting minutes today are available at the links below.
> Thanks everyone for attending the meeting.
> In the meeting we mainly talked about FUDCon （reimbursement, Videos,
> Event Reports, Slides，Feedback Survey，Fedora Badge ）, fedocal , Fedora
> 21 L10N, Ambassadors and upcoming offline events. Please review the
> proposed ideas and actions.
>
>
> The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2014-09-05).
> Please come and join the discussion if you can!
>
> - Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2014-08-29/fedora-zh.2014-08-2...
>
> - Minutes (text):
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2014-08-29/fedora-zh.2014-08-2...
>
> - Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2014-08-29/fedora-zh.2014-08-2...
>
> ==================
> #fedora-zh Meeting
> ==================
>
>
> Meeting started by alick at 13:03:19 UTC. The full logs are available
> athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2014-08-29/fedora-zh.2014-08...
> .
>
>
>
> Meeting summary
> ---------------
> * Roll Call 报到 (alick, 13:03:37)
>
> * FUDCon Reimbursement (alick, 13:13:53)
> * ACTION: alick ask about FAD reimbursement (alick, 13:15:37)
>
> * FUDCon Videos (alick, 13:16:13)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/videos/report/1 (alick, 13:17:12)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/videos/ticket/3 (alick, 13:17:42)
> * LINK: http://vimeo.com/fedoraproject (alick, 13:21:07)
> * LINK: https://www.youtube.com/fedoraproject (alick, 13:21:24)
>
> * FUDCon Event Reports (alick, 13:21:46)
> * LINK:
> https://wp-awesome.rhcloud.com/2014/08/23/fudcon-apac-2014-report/
> (alick, 13:22:20)
>
> * FUDCon Slides (alick, 13:23:11)
> * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Beijing_2014#Schedule
> (alick, 13:23:32)
> * ACTION: zsun alick complete the slides links of GNOME.Asia and
> FUDCon APAC (alick, 13:25:43)
>
> * FUDCon Feedback Survey (alick, 13:27:59)
> * ACTION: alick send tiansworld coscup's survey report as reference
> (alick, 13:29:26)
> * ACTION: tiansworld make a better survey report (alick, 13:29:33)
>
> * Fedora Badge for FUDCon (alick, 13:30:09)
> * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Beijing_2014/Badge
> (alick, 13:30:20)
> * ACTION: alick notify badge deadline on weibo (alick, 13:31:50)
>
> * fedocal (Fedora Calendar) (alick, 13:32:06)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedocal/ticket/131 (alick,
> 13:32:22)
>
> * Offline Events (alick, 13:34:33)
> * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hanoi_SFD_2014 (alick,
> 13:34:54)
> * LINK: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2014/China/ (alick,
> 13:35:59)
>
> * Fedora 21 L10N (alick, 13:42:18)
> * LINK:
> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-trans-tasks.html
> (alick, 13:42:32)
> * i18n test day - 2nd September 2014 (Tuesday) [1] (alick, 13:47:22)
> * l10n test day - 9th September 2014 (Tuesday) [2] (alick,
> 13:47:36)
>
> * Ambassadors (alick, 13:50:51)
> * 就是 noriko
> 在列表发的邮件。我转发的目的是告诉大家，有机会去测试zanata，有bug往上报。至于最后的决定，什么都不知道的话决定就是盲目的。
> (tiansworld, 13:57:08)
> * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tvvocold (alick,
> 14:00:59)
> * LINK: http://googlo.cf (tvvocold, 14:06:10)
> * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh?rd=Zh/ (alick, 14:07:49)
> * LINK: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/ (alick, 14:09:45)
> * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Cicku (alick, 14:13:10)
>
> Meeting ended at 14:18:50 UTC.
>
>
>
>
> Action Items
> ------------
> * alick ask about FAD reimbursement
> * zsun alick complete the slides links of GNOME.Asia and FUDCon APAC
> * alick send tiansworld coscup's survey report as reference
> * tiansworld make a better survey report
> * alick notify badge deadline on weibo
>
>
>
>
> Action Items, by person
> -----------------------
> * alick
> * alick ask about FAD reimbursement
> * zsun alick complete the slides links of GNOME.Asia and FUDCon APAC
> * alick send tiansworld coscup's survey report as reference
> * alick notify badge deadline on weibo
> * tiansworld
> * alick send tiansworld coscup's survey report as reference
> * tiansworld make a better survey report
> * zsun
> * zsun alick complete the slides links of GNOME.Asia and FUDCon APAC
> * **UNASSIGNED**
> * (none)
>
>
>
>
> People Present (lines said)
> ---------------------------
> * alick (122)
> * zsun (36)
> * tvvocold (35)
> * zodbot (31)
> * BadGirl (20)
> * endle (12)
> * tonghuix (8)
> * KAIO (6)
> * isyangxin (3)
> * tiansworld (2)
> * zhtx (1)
> * xielingyun__ (1)
> * biergaizi (0)
>
>
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zsun in #fedora-zh #openshift on freenode.net
9 years, 7 months
Fedora Cloud (Atomic) & Infra meeting 26 August 2014
by Joe Brockmeier
Apologies for being tardy in sending this out.
===============
#atomic Meeting
===============
Meeting started by jzb at 20:09:50 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/atomic/2014-08-26/atomic.2014-08-26-20.0...
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Meeting summary
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* F21 composes (jzb, 20:10:17)
* looks like there is a TC4 for Atomic (jzb, 20:10:42)
* LINK:
http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21-Alpha-TC4/Cloud/Images/x86_64/
(jzb, 20:10:47)
* ACTION: nirik when we have a viable Atomic TC nirik will make sure
it's announced. (jzb, 20:13:44)
* ACTION: jzb once we have a viable Atomic TC jzb will try to arrange
a test day (jzb, 20:14:12)
* ACTION: jzb research test case possibilities for Atomic (jzb,
20:21:00)
* any new business? (jzb, 20:24:35)
Meeting ended at 20:29:20 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* nirik when we have a viable Atomic TC nirik will make sure it's
announced.
* jzb once we have a viable Atomic TC jzb will try to arrange a test day
* jzb research test case possibilities for Atomic
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* jzb
* jzb once we have a viable Atomic TC jzb will try to arrange a test
day
* jzb research test case possibilities for Atomic
* nirik
* nirik when we have a viable Atomic TC nirik will make sure it's
announced.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* jzb (37)
* dustymabe (11)
* nirik (10)
* stickster (4)
* zodbot (2)
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jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/
9 years, 8 months
Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2014-08-28)
by Kevin Fenzi
============================================
#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2014-08-28)
============================================
Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:11 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-08-28/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* aloha (nirik, 18:00:11)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:01:38)
* Freeze reminder (nirik, 18:12:14)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:13:52)
* fedocal, pkgdb2 bugfix releases this week (nirik, 18:17:16)
* nuancier release with lots of changes. (nirik, 18:17:27)
* fedimg work ongoing (nirik, 18:17:39)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:23:42)
* pkgs01.stg now in ansible and running rhel7 (nirik, 18:24:53)
* fixed a bunch of hosts monday that are still in puppet that were
stuck. ;( (nirik, 18:25:52)
* nagios/alerts recap (nirik, 18:27:39)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:33:17)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
(nirik, 18:33:17)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:36:03)
Meeting ended at 18:39:52 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (70)
* pingou (32)
* oddshocks (18)
* danielbruno (7)
* mirek-hm (7)
* lanica (6)
* Neldogz (5)
* zodbot (5)
* smooge (3)
* vgologuz (3)
* threebean (2)
* lmacken (1)
* bwood09 (1)
* danofsatx (1)
* relrod (1)
* puiterwijk (0)
* abadger1999 (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* dgilmore (0)
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18:00:11 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2014-08-28)
18:00:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 28 18:00:11 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:11 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:11 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:11 <nirik> #topic aloha
18:00:11 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk
18:00:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:17 * pingou here
18:00:21 * bwood09 is here
18:00:32 * oddshocks here
18:00:34 * danielbruno here
18:00:35 * lmacken
18:00:51 * mirek-hm is here
18:00:58 <Neldogz> neldogz is here
18:01:30 * threebean is here
18:01:36 <nirik> cool. Lets go ahead and dive on in then...
18:01:38 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
18:01:45 <nirik> any new folks want to intrduce themselves?
18:01:53 <nirik> or apprentices with questions/comments/ideas?
18:02:05 <smooge> here
18:02:21 <nirik> hey smooge
18:02:31 <danielbruno> I have some questions about the Apprentice tasks
18:02:35 * danofsatx present for accounting purposes
18:02:38 <nirik> danielbruno: fire away. ;)
18:02:41 <Neldogz> hello by any chance are there any openings in the Fedora Infrastructure team for volunteers? I have a few hours a week that I would love to dedicate to this team and the Fedora Project.
18:03:02 * lanica is here for the infra meeting.
18:03:29 <nirik> Neldogz: see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted and yes, always looking for folks to help out... are you more interested in sysadmin tasks? or application development?
18:03:30 <danielbruno> so, I read the documentations.. and I would like to know a good point to start
18:03:45 <danielbruno> if I have to ask in the channel
18:04:30 <Neldogz> hi nirik; mostly in systems administration. I do have experience with RHEL and Fedora. I would love to learn more about how these work in a corporate environment. I am pretty good with monitoring, documentation and up for anythign that is needed.
18:04:34 <nirik> danielbruno: well, best bets are to look at the easyfix tickets and pick something you are interested in and start working on it... and/or hang out in our channels and when you see an interesting to you discussion chime in and ask if you can help out. ;)
18:05:14 <nirik> if there's specific areas you are interested in we might be able to come up with some more targeted things... :)
18:05:38 <danielbruno> great! :)
18:05:45 <nirik> Neldogz: ok, welcome. we have an apprentice program (see link off that getting started page) if you are interested in it, I can add you after the meeting... see me in #fedora-admin.
18:06:06 <Neldogz> great! would love to join fi-apprentice
18:06:12 <Neldogz> see you in #fedora-admin
18:06:27 <nirik> cool. ;)
18:06:58 <nirik> I will also see about filing some more easyfix tickets... haven't done any new ones for a bit.
18:07:28 <danielbruno> nirik, I have looked at the easyfix and i'm interested in some tasks
18:07:28 <vgologuz> hi all
18:08:08 <nirik> danielbruno: cool. Do comment in those tickets and/or ask the person who filed them if they are around on irc...
18:08:15 <nirik> morning vgologuz
18:08:34 <vgologuz> I've recently joined Copr project, and would like (in some time) to learn about fedora infrastructure
18:08:41 <danielbruno> nirik, ok.. I will :)
18:09:01 <nirik> vgologuz: great. :) I can also add you to our apprentice group if you like... see me after the meeting in #fedora-admin.
18:09:37 <vgologuz> nirik, great )
18:10:05 <mirek-hm> I will try to learn vgologuz as much as I know about ansible.git, playbooks and FedoraCloud
18:10:25 <mirek-hm> s/learn/teach/
18:12:04 <nirik> great.
18:12:06 * nirik just had a laptop lockup. sorry for the delay.
18:12:14 <nirik> #topic Freeze reminder
18:12:44 <nirik> So, just a reminder that we are freeze now. Any frozen hosts should not be modified without a patch with 2 +1s from sysadmin-main or releng.
18:12:58 * pingou was the first one to forgot about it
18:13:04 <pingou> it has been so long since the last one :)
18:13:37 <nirik> yeah, I know. ;)
18:13:44 <nirik> see the mail on the list for more details. ;)
18:13:52 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:14:04 <nirik> any applications news/status this week?
18:14:08 <lanica> Everything is frozen besides stg?
18:14:10 <lanica> Sorry for the lateness
18:14:34 <pingou> new fedocal released earlier this week, bug fix mainly
18:14:50 <pingou> new pkgdb2 released as well, bugfix again
18:14:59 <pingou> new nuancier released, quite some changes on that one :)
18:15:15 <oddshocks> Fedimg is installed on fedimg01.stg. Working out some Comcast internet problems this moment (I'm currently tethered to my phone 'net), but once they're resolved I'm gonna find out if it's properly doing the thing
18:15:20 <pingou> and elections just got a new election type: irc which offers +1/0/-1
18:15:29 <pingou> work from nerdsville
18:15:35 <oddshocks> (finally got permissions stuff with my sudo access to fedimg01.stg worked out.. I think)
18:15:47 <oddshocks> /s/i think//
18:16:01 <pingou> oddshocks: ansible?
18:16:50 <nirik> lanica: there's a script in ansible called 'freezelist' it will show the ones frozen/not.
18:17:02 <nirik> there are some non stg hosts that also aren't frozen.
18:17:03 <lanica> nirik: thanks!
18:17:16 <nirik> #info fedocal, pkgdb2 bugfix releases this week
18:17:27 <nirik> #info nuancier release with lots of changes.
18:17:39 <nirik> #info fedimg work ongoing
18:17:41 <oddshocks> pingou: what about it? I'm not 100% clear on what the issue was, nirik and smooge resolved it for me
18:18:07 <oddshocks> pingou: i didn't install fedimg with ansible yet, if that's what you're asking. just `rpm -i`'d the rpm
18:18:19 <pingou> oddshocks: that was my question :)
18:18:21 * relrod checks in late, sorry
18:18:27 <oddshocks> I need to figure this ansible stuff out though. I have little to no experience with it sad to say
18:18:31 <oddshocks> relrod: hey
18:18:39 <pingou> oddshocks: installing it via a playbook might have solved the problem there :)
18:18:40 <nirik> oddshocks: we can walk you through it.
18:18:45 <oddshocks> nirik: awesome, thanks :)
18:18:47 <oddshocks> pingou: ahh
18:19:00 <smooge> oddshocks, none of us know how it works. I have 3 voudou dolls which help me
18:19:05 <oddshocks> nirik: pingou: TBH I'm not even 100% clear on which things I should be doing with ansible, and what it can do for me
18:19:06 <pingou> oddshocks: feel free to ping wrt ansible
18:19:09 <oddshocks> smooge: haha
18:19:14 <oddshocks> pingou: cool
18:19:19 <pingou> oddshocks: install rpm, configuration file
18:19:41 <pingou> oddshocks: basically everything that's needed to drop the VM and build a new one working out-of-the-box
18:20:05 <pingou> oddshocks: getting one of those woudou dolls from smooge is a good idea ;-)
18:20:28 <nirik> basically if we had to reinstall the machine today, ansible would let us get it back to the same exact working state.
18:20:33 <oddshocks> pingou: ah that makes sense.
18:20:44 <oddshocks> nirik: right, so yeah just installing the fedimg rpm and putting fedimg.cfg in /etc/
18:20:54 <pingou> nirik: are we doing cloud on kvm? :)
18:20:55 <oddshocks> and likely starting the fedimg relay if it doesn't do so already
18:21:10 <oddshocks> nirik: I'll also ping you soon this week about internal openstack uploading if you'd like
18:21:13 <pingou> oddshocks: sounds nice and simple, shouldn't be too hard to do with ansible :)
18:21:17 <nirik> oddshocks: sounds good.
18:21:24 <nirik> pingou: our cloud uses kvm, yes?
18:21:55 <mirek-hm> yes, OS use kvm
18:21:56 <pingou> nirik: I meant more our stg/prod boxes, we're always "ready" to turn one down and rebuild one, sounds cloudy :)
18:22:16 <nirik> pingou: kinda, but more persistent I think...
18:22:29 <pingou> hopefully :)
18:22:35 <nirik> and more decentralized
18:22:48 <pingou> that's very true
18:23:06 <nirik> any other application news?
18:23:24 <nirik> I'm gonna try and ping abompard next week when he's back about moving more forward on hyperkitty
18:23:35 * pingou looks forward
18:23:42 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:23:50 <nirik> lets see...
18:24:19 <nirik> I got bochecha's pkgs migration to ansible commited and made a new pkgs01.stg
18:24:31 <nirik> There's more work we need to do on it, but I think it's coming along nicely.
18:24:53 <nirik> #info pkgs01.stg now in ansible and running rhel7
18:25:08 <pingou> w/ it we're moving to gitolite3
18:25:39 * nirik nods.
18:25:40 <pingou> is that the remaining work you were thinking about or are there also other things?
18:25:52 <nirik> #info fixed a bunch of hosts monday that are still in puppet that were stuck. ;(
18:26:01 <nirik> yeah, mostly gitolite3 and lots of testing.
18:26:08 <pingou> +1 on testing
18:26:29 <nirik> cgit isn't working right for some reason yet.
18:26:30 <pingou> note: the gitolite configuration cron/task isn't on (or working) atm
18:27:02 <nirik> yeah.
18:27:25 <nirik> So, given the freeze we can work on stg stuff and documentation and planning. ;)
18:27:30 <pingou> \ó/
18:27:39 <nirik> #topic nagios/alerts recap
18:27:40 <mirek-hm> I proceed with Openstack installatation. networking is hopefully fixed (although after reset it need manual intervention via console :( ) and I'm currently fighting with one problem in packstack.
18:27:59 <nirik> mirek-hm: great. ;) so it's getting close?
18:28:05 <mirek-hm> yes
18:28:19 <pingou> I've been working with releng to drop the pkgdb2branch script
18:28:20 <mirek-hm> it is my priority now
18:28:59 <nirik> awesome. we still need to hook in storage... but hopefully that won't be too bad
18:29:12 <pingou> the idea is to replace that script by another that checks all git for their branches vs the branches they should have according to pkgdb and adjust the git accordingly
18:29:30 <pingou> so that's one more thing changing with the move of pkgs01 to el7 :)
18:30:06 <nirik> .tiny https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//summary.cgi?report=1&disp...
18:30:14 <zodbot> nirik: http://tinyurl.com/m3v3a5x
18:30:59 <nirik> most of our alerts continue to be network related... but I've found that it's likely openvpn getting saturated.
18:31:13 <nirik> I've not isolated what traffic is causing it yet, but will keep looking.
18:31:21 <pingou> threebean: and I are thinking about giving a trial for datanommer/datagrepper on a mongodb backend, that might help with datagrepper's response time
18:32:17 <nirik> ok. I wonder also if moving that db to rhel7 and newer postgres could help
18:32:29 <pingou> could be also
18:33:17 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:33:17 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
18:33:26 <nirik> anything upcoming anyone would like to schedule or note?
18:34:00 <smooge> not from me
18:34:10 <threebean> pingou: yeah, we should really follow up with yograterol on that. he has actual experience with mongo and is interested in helping with FI
18:34:57 <nirik> we should make sure we know what we are getting into before we move to it, but trying things seems like a great first step .
18:35:30 <pingou> threebean: +1 but I haven't seen him on irc recently :(
18:36:03 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:36:10 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor?
18:36:20 <nirik> questions, ideas, favorate cartoons?
18:37:38 <oddshocks> I like The Boondocks
18:37:42 <lanica> noc01/nagios mod_auth_openid issue -- looks to be a cobination of a bug in mod_auth_openid and libopkele. One patch, already in existance for mod_auth_openid fixes part of the issue. Once I can find some time, I can do some more testing and validate the fix for libopkele. I probably need to submit a bug report for libopkele if it does not already exist.
18:37:50 <lanica> DuckTales perhaps?
18:38:10 <nirik> lanica: awesome. Thanks for tracking that down... it's an anoying bug. ;)
18:38:17 * nirik likes bob's burgers.
18:39:07 <nirik> alright, will close out in a minute if nothing more.
18:39:49 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
18:39:52 <nirik> #endmeeting
9 years, 8 months
Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2014-08-28)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2014-08-28)
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Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:25 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-08-28/irc-support-si...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:00:25)
* Week in review (nirik, 17:03:16)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:06:55)
Meeting ended at 17:10:46 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (19)
* Sonar_Gal (5)
* zodbot (3)
* Neldogz (3)
* otaylor (1)
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17:00:25 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2014-08-28)
17:00:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 28 17:00:25 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:00:25 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:00:25 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:00:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:00:25 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:51 * Sonar_Gal
17:00:53 <nirik> anyone around for a quick irc support sig meeting?
17:02:14 <Sonar_Gal> nirik, looks like everyone is napping
17:02:26 <nirik> nap sure sounds good. ;)
17:02:33 <Neldogz> hello everyone
17:02:39 <nirik> hey Neldogz
17:03:14 <nirik> I guess lets do a quick meeting...
17:03:16 <nirik> #topic Week in review
17:03:32 <nirik> anyone have anything from the previous few weeks? common problems peoepl are seeing, etc?
17:03:45 <Sonar_Gal> Same as any other week
17:04:24 <nirik> yeah, nothing too much stood out, aside from a user with lots and lots of issues who finally did get helped... but many hours of effort. ;)
17:06:51 <nirik> alrighty
17:06:55 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:07:01 <nirik> anything else anyone would like to bring up?
17:07:39 <otaylor> /part
17:08:04 <nirik> we may want to move to just having meetings if there's something to discuss. ;)
17:08:07 <Sonar_Gal> nothing I can think of
17:08:13 <Neldogz> By any chance are there any openings in the Fedora Infrastructure team for volunteers? I have a few hours a week that I would love to dedicate to this team and the Fedora Project.
17:08:36 <nirik> Neldogz: absolutely, but that meeting is not for about 52minutes... at 18UTC. ;)
17:08:45 <Neldogz> got it thank you!
17:09:14 <nirik> :)
17:09:58 <Sonar_Gal> nirik, I agree hasn't been busy enough or problems to have weekly. May want to see about a monthly meeting then if needed can do a every 2 week
17:10:11 <nirik> Sonar_Gal: yeah, thats a good plan.
17:10:43 <nirik> alright. thanks for coming Sonar_Gal. :) (and Neldogz )
17:10:46 <nirik> #endmeeting
9 years, 8 months
Workstation Abridged Meeting Minutes 2014-08-27
by Josh Boyer
Hi All,
Below are some abridged meeting minutes from today's meeting. Due to
Freenode netsplitting several times, there are fragments of
conversation in the logs and it was a very confusing meeting overall.
While this wasn't any fault of the WG's or Fedora, we do apologize and
hopefully next week will come together better.
We did manage, however briefly, to come together to agree on adopting
the proposed guidelines for Apps and Launchers for Workstation. For
now these are Workstation specific an used as guidelines for picking
default apps. There is a strong desire to see how much commonality
can be found across the project for this, so I'll start a separate
thread to kick off that discussion.
If anyone has any questions, please let us know. We'll be doing an
out-of-cycle meeting next Wednesday at the same time and place to
address some of the other items. In the meantime, we will be
discussing the higher priority issues on the list.
josh
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#fedora-meeting: Fedora Workstation Meeting
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Meeting started by jwb at 15:00:18 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-08-27/workstation.20...
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Meeting summary
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* init (jwb, 15:00:19)
* Apps and Launchers Guidelines (jwb, 15:03:49)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Elad/Draft_app_guidelines
(jwb, 15:04:13)
* LINK:
https://people.gnome.org/~tobiasmue/hig3/icons-and-artwork.html#applicati...
(aday, 15:17:54)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1131248 -- bug
concerning some issues on java packages (stickster, 15:18:29)
* AGREED: adopt guidelines for Workstation (jwb, 15:46:33)
* jwb to start discussion with other products/WGs (jwb, 15:46:48)
Meeting ended at 15:49:07 UTC.
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* jwb (58)
* cwickert (39)
* cschalle (29)
* kalev (17)
* stickster (14)
* juhp_ (14)
* mclasen (12)
* aday (9)
* drago01 (9)
* otaylor (8)
* zodbot (6)
* mclasen_ (2)
* sgallagh (2)
* nirik (1)
* hadess (1)
* ryanlerch (0)
* juhp (0)
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9 years, 8 months
Sumary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-08-27)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-08-27)
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Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:10 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-08-27/fesco.2014-08-...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:00:10)
* #1178 Fedora 21 scheduling strategy (nirik, 17:04:02)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1178 (nirik, 17:04:02)
* #1322 F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze (nirik, 17:07:35)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 (nirik, 17:07:35)
* will update changes for next meeting and see if any are in danger.
(nirik, 17:10:34)
* server database role probibly will be retargeted at f22 (nirik,
17:10:46)
* #1332 retire orphan packags after 4 weeks instead of once per release
(nirik, 17:12:26)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1332 (nirik, 17:12:26)
* AGREED: allow retiring of non stable release packages after they are
orphaned for 6 weeks. (+7,0,0) (nirik, 17:26:33)
* #1336 - 32 bit ppc support (nirik, 17:26:42)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1336 (nirik, 17:26:43)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures (nirik,
17:35:57)
* AGREED: any arch that wants to call itself fedora needs to build up
and host their own infrastructure, along with building up enough
packages to show that they can do a working remix of fedora. Then
request that FESCo consider them as a secondary arch (+7,0,0)
(nirik, 17:41:06)
* Next weeks chair (nirik, 17:41:15)
* sgallagh to chair next week (nirik, 17:44:48)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:45:21)
* LINK: http://pootle.translatehouse.org was mentioned... but anyhow,
I am ok with them doing what they think is best. The history with
transifex makes me sad to be moving things... oh well. (nirik,
17:50:28)
* AGREED: FESCo is fine with
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Move_To_Zanata ; please schedule
the upstream project migration to happen after F21 final release is
approved. (+7,0,0) (nirik, 17:53:16)
Meeting ended at 18:01:30 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (96)
* dgilmore (50)
* jwb (44)
* mitr (31)
* sgallagh (25)
* thozza (23)
* t8m (20)
* jreznik_ (9)
* zodbot (8)
* kalev (8)
* mmaslano (0)
* mattdm (0)
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17:00:10 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2014-08-27)
17:00:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 27 17:00:10 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:00:10 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:00:10 <nirik> #meetingname fesco
17:00:10 <nirik> #chair dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh t8m thozza
17:00:10 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
17:00:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh t8m thozza
17:00:32 * sgallagh is doing double-duty in the blocker bugs meeting right now
17:00:34 <kalev> hello hello
17:01:07 <thozza> hy
17:01:09 <thozza> hi
17:01:23 <jwb> i'm in a meeting i can't get out of. apologies, it was supposed to be over but i will be late
17:02:03 <mitr> Hello
17:02:48 * nirik will wait another min for more folks to arrive
17:03:50 <nirik> ok, I guess we have quorum... barely. ;)
17:04:02 <nirik> #topic #1178 Fedora 21 scheduling strategy
17:04:02 <nirik> .fesco 1178
17:04:02 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1178
17:04:04 <zodbot> nirik: #1178 (Fedora 21 scheduling strategy) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1178
17:04:08 <nirik> so, we should be going into freeze today.
17:04:19 <nirik> I see jreznik_ already bumped the schedule a week.
17:04:34 <nirik> Do we want to do anything here? or leave it as it is?
17:04:34 * jreznik_ is here
17:05:05 <jreznik_> nirik: yeah, I bumped it - it was the only way how to make sure we have at least somehow correct dates on web (it's automatically parsed)
17:05:13 <jreznik_> do we need any other corrections?
17:05:28 <t8m> Hi all, I am sorry for being late
17:05:29 <jreznik_> I don't think anybody raised any big concern
17:05:59 <nirik> yeah, I'm ok with it as it is... note that more slipping would drop us into thanksgiving for release...
17:06:01 <nirik> (in the us)
17:07:18 <nirik> ok, will move on then if no one has changes here...
17:07:35 <nirik> #topic #1322 F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze
17:07:35 <nirik> .fesco 1322
17:07:35 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322
17:07:37 <zodbot> nirik: #1322 (F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322
17:07:40 <jreznik_> I'm aware of it and there's possibility we will collide with thanksgiving
17:07:42 <nirik> jreznik_: any news here?
17:08:00 <jreznik_> nirik: no news but as we are now frozen, I'll do another round of nagging
17:08:14 <jreznik_> I'm just updating ChangeSet with changes
17:08:16 * dgilmore is here
17:08:25 <nirik> anything we need to punt to f22?
17:08:56 <sgallagh> nirik: Arguably this would be the point where we punt the DB Role for Server.
17:09:17 <nirik> yeah, I just have had no time to look into it... ;(
17:09:18 <jreznik_> sgallagh: if yes, let me know
17:09:21 <nirik> I'd be ok doing that.
17:09:36 <nirik> which of course doesn't mean we can't work on it...
17:10:00 <jreznik_> with vacations, I hadn't much time for changes, will make sure it's in a good shape for the next week
17:10:19 <nirik> ok.
17:10:21 <sgallagh> Well, it's not going to be on the Alpha DVD, that's for sure.
17:10:34 <nirik> #info will update changes for next meeting and see if any are in danger.
17:10:46 <nirik> #info server database role probibly will be retargeted at f22
17:11:05 <nirik> anything else here today?
17:12:26 <nirik> #topic #1332 retire orphan packags after 4 weeks instead of once per release
17:12:26 <nirik> .fesco 1332
17:12:26 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1332
17:12:28 <zodbot> nirik: #1332 (retire orphan packags after 4 weeks instead of once per release) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1332
17:12:34 <nirik> so there was some discussion about this on list...
17:12:40 <nirik> but it didn't seem to reach a consensus.
17:13:22 <dgilmore> main reason we dont do it more often traditionally has been that we can not remove things from the GA tree
17:13:34 <dgilmore> which make some of it really difficult to implement
17:13:47 <mitr> Retiring anything from released branches is out of the questino IMHO
17:13:52 * jwb is here now
17:14:04 <nirik> agreed
17:14:06 <sgallagh> Well, in theory we *could* have something like the fedora-release package carry around "Obsoletes:" for packages that are retired.
17:14:14 <dgilmore> but doing rawhide/branched more often I dont see a big issue with
17:14:43 <nirik> sgallagh: that sort of thing has been proposed a number of times and gotten shot down.
17:15:19 <t8m> I think the 4 weeks is slightly too short interval though
17:15:34 <thozza> the 4 weeks period was perceived as too short in general
17:15:38 <thozza> from the discussion
17:15:44 <sgallagh> I also wonder if we could solve this problem better through more automation
17:15:53 <mitr> I’m quite in favor of doing rawhide (not sure about branched) more frequently (not sure about 4 weeks), but that depends on someone implementing the tools and the process.
17:16:11 <sgallagh> The ownership change mails are nice, but maybe also automatically-CC all the dependencies when something is orphaned?
17:16:16 <nirik> I think tyl was offering to work on the tools.
17:16:28 <dgilmore> mitr: i believe till who proposed it is looking at writing tooling to do it
17:16:45 * nirik can't type today, yeah, till
17:16:54 <mitr> nirk, dgilmore: ah. That makes it much better.
17:17:10 <dgilmore> he wanted to make sure it was okay to do
17:17:22 <nirik> so, what time period do we think might be more acceptable? 6 weeks? 8?
17:17:32 <thozza> One of the reasons in the ticket was that we often don't know why the package was orphaned when retiring it
17:17:36 <jwb> i'd say 6
17:17:48 <thozza> there was no mechanism last time I orphaned a package to say why
17:17:56 <thozza> are we going to add this too?
17:18:00 <nirik> there is now. ;)
17:18:07 <thozza> to make the decision easier
17:18:09 <t8m> I'd prefer 8 weeks but 6 is OK
17:18:12 <nirik> when you use fedpkg to orphan it asks you.
17:18:30 <mitr> both 6 and 8 is fine with me, slight preference for 6
17:18:51 <nirik> hum, or perhaps that was just discussed and isn't implemented yet.
17:18:55 <nirik> but I agree we want that too.
17:19:03 <dgilmore> thozza: fedpkg retire now requires a reason
17:19:11 <dgilmore> thozza: and its the only way to retire a package now
17:19:14 <nirik> yeah, but not sure orphan does
17:19:34 <thozza> retire yes, but in the ticket the complain was about orphaning
17:19:35 <nirik> but we could make pkgdb ask.
17:19:45 <dgilmore> orphan doesnt require a reason
17:20:13 <thozza> that what makes the decision if to retire hard based on till's ticket
17:20:17 <thozza> sometimes
17:20:39 <thozza> i think it would be worth of adding a reason also for orphaning
17:20:40 <nirik> well, it means sometimes we would retire because 'orphaned for 6 weeks'
17:20:46 <nirik> which isn't very descriptive.
17:21:28 <nirik> but I guess sometimes we wouldn't really know... old maintainer could just not have time
17:21:44 <jwb> i don't think the orphan reason matters tbh
17:21:59 <jwb> i think "this was sitting there for 6 weeks and nobody cared to take it" is reason enough
17:22:09 <t8m> I suppose main reason for orphaning is that the maintainer does not want to maintain the package anymore
17:22:40 <nirik> or could be they were inactive and their packages were orphaned by fesco, or ... lots of things.
17:22:57 <jwb> nirik, again, doesn't matter. nobody picked it up in the interim
17:23:10 <mitr> jwb: “there is a critical security bug I don’t know how to fix, and upstream hasn’t made a release in 2 years”, or “the last upstream release turned this from a QR code generator into a pony gallery” would be interesting to know about
17:23:12 <t8m> If the maintainer thinks the package is not worth maintaining because it is "bad" he should retire it
17:23:13 <thozza> jwb: I agree, but it can discourage new maintainer from taking the package because he might not know what was the problem with it
17:23:16 <t8m> directly
17:23:29 <thozza> but I agree it it not the thing we have to have
17:23:30 <mitr> t8m: true
17:23:43 <thozza> t8m: I agree
17:23:51 * nirik nods.
17:24:37 <nirik> proposal: allow retiring of non stable release packages after they are orphaned for 6 weeks.
17:24:43 <jwb> +1
17:24:47 <mitr> nirik: +1
17:24:54 <t8m> nirik, +1
17:24:57 <kalev> +1
17:25:23 <dgilmore> +1
17:25:48 <sgallagh> +1
17:26:28 <thozza> +1
17:26:33 <nirik> #agreed allow retiring of non stable release packages after they are orphaned for 6 weeks. (+7,0,0)
17:26:42 <nirik> #topic #1336 - 32 bit ppc support
17:26:42 <nirik> .fesco 1336
17:26:43 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1336
17:26:44 <zodbot> nirik: #1336 (32 bit ppc support) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1336
17:27:21 <nirik> so, what do we need to decide here? ;)
17:28:12 <mitr> Actually reading this now, this is “someone might ask FESCo for a decision in the future“ thing?
17:28:16 <dgilmore> how an arch that doesnt want to be maintained by the secondary arch team should be supported if another group wants to
17:28:36 <jwb> simply put: they do it themselves
17:28:40 <dgilmore> mitr: well, its a down the road but highly likely thing
17:28:42 <jwb> (imho)
17:28:58 <nirik> yeah, it sounds like there's no actual work really to look at yet?
17:29:05 <t8m> I don't think there is much to decide. Basically all the concerns with reintroducing ppc32 are quite obvious and if anyone would want to reintroduce it they would have to solve them.
17:29:08 <jwb> i suspect very much that this might be a good precendent for if/when we decide to drop i686 though
17:29:11 <mitr> I _have_ seen a sudden surge in ppc(32) bugs recently, but IIRC nothing to do with composes
17:29:11 <sgallagh> My stance is that they should become a Fedora Remix. End of story.
17:29:16 <dgilmore> the decision can be delyaed
17:29:27 <dgilmore> but some thought on how it should be done I think is needed
17:29:30 <nirik> jwb: could be.
17:29:42 <jwb> t8m, on the other hand, i'd really like to drop ppc32 support from kernel.spec
17:29:43 <mitr> sgallagh: Probably. The case for supporting 32-bit is decreasing every year.
17:29:57 <dgilmore> mitr: there has been no 32 bit ppc composes since f18
17:30:00 <jwb> i've waited patiently to do so, but i'm not interested in waiting longer
17:30:10 * nirik has a ppc32 box. It has F12 I think on it and has been powered off since then. I can't see much use for turning it on personally. ;)
17:30:41 <dgilmore> jwb: im all for it going away
17:30:42 <nirik> dgilmore: install media hasn't been made since f12 I think too right? or around then...
17:30:49 <mitr> Just to be explicit: What about 32-bit userspace on ppc64? Are we supporting that at all?
17:31:00 <t8m> jwb, in theory, if someone came up and said that he would maintain the ppc32 support in kernel, would you accept it?
17:31:08 <dgilmore> nirik: some was made for f18, but no one in the community stepped up to test of fix bugs
17:31:14 <dgilmore> I think it didnt actually work
17:31:21 <t8m> jwb, or you don't want the ppc32 there in any case?
17:31:27 <dgilmore> mitr: no its gone
17:31:42 <jwb> t8m, someone said they were going to. they said that months ago. no ppc32 infrastructure exists still
17:31:57 <jwb> t8m, so if someone showed up and pointed me to a koji instance that was acutally running, i'd add it back in
17:32:13 <dgilmore> jwb: i believe thats the guy that sent an email to the ppc list last week introducing himself
17:32:21 <t8m> jwb, then it is no problem and you can drop it
17:32:33 <jwb> dgilmore, yeah, same guy. still no running infrastructure
17:33:16 <dgilmore> proposal: any arch that wants to call itself fedora needs to build everything on their own, show that they can do a remix of fedora. then request that FESCo consider them as a secondary arch
17:33:25 <jwb> i don't want to get into a pattern of "oh, i'll wait 3 more weeks because someone sent an email"
17:33:33 <nirik> If secondary arch and kernel folks don't see their effort as viable, not sure fesco should override.
17:33:41 <dgilmore> jwb: right, because he sent that email I filed this ticket
17:33:47 <mitr> dgilmore: That sounds like an unexpected overreach/generalization
17:33:57 <dgilmore> so we can say to him this is what you have to do if you want it to happen.
17:34:15 <jwb> mitr, i don't think it is. i think it's a formalization of what has already happened. 3 times now.
17:34:23 <dgilmore> mitr: perhaps. I know there is people working to get Fedora bootstrapped on mips
17:34:42 <jwb> ppc/ppc64 started in my basement. armv7 started at seneca. aarch64 started outside of fedora as well
17:34:44 <t8m> dgilmore, +1
17:34:54 <dgilmore> having something viable and working, i don't think is too much toa sk
17:34:55 <mitr> jwb: Actually, AFAIK in most cases the secondary Koji was maintained by Fedora Infra long before secondary arch had full feature parity.
17:34:57 <dgilmore> to ask
17:35:02 <jwb> mitr, no
17:35:06 <sgallagh> Yeah, I think codifying dgilmore's approach makes some sense
17:35:20 <dgilmore> mitr: none of the secondary koji's are maintained by infra
17:35:27 <mitr> And we've had the ARM debate about whether primary architecture promotion implies other maintainers fixing build failures, which implies that there _were_ build failures
17:35:33 <t8m> mitr, the Fedora Remix does not have to have "full feature parity" to be considered
17:35:45 <t8m> mitr, I don't see anything like this in the dgilmore's proposal
17:35:46 <nirik> dgilmore: I think we have this somewhat already codified.
17:35:48 <jwb> mitr, the bootstrap for all of the arches was started elsewhere. after it was proven somewhat viable and active, hardware was added to the fedora datacenter. none of it is maintained by fedora infra
17:35:57 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures
17:36:23 <mitr> t8m: I read "build everything on their own" as "all packages that exist"
17:36:28 <dgilmore> the main difference i see in the ppc32 case is that the ppc team does not want to maintain it
17:36:29 <nirik> although it needs updating.
17:36:40 <nirik> yeah, this is a special case I guess.
17:37:29 <dgilmore> mitr: that doesnt have to be the case, none of the arches have all packages that exist in fedora on them
17:37:47 <dgilmore> mitr: there is arm only packages that just do not exist on x86
17:37:47 <t8m> dgilmore, could you replace the 'build everything" with something more precise in your proposal?
17:37:52 <mitr> dgilmore: Good, that was my main objection to that working / the thing I saw as an overreach
17:38:11 <nirik> mitr: infra doesn't maintain really the aarch64/ppc/s390 stuff... I would actually like to start doing so more actively, but right now they maintain their own machines.
17:38:46 <thozza> what about "build everything on their own"/"build selected feature set on their own" ?
17:38:49 <mitr> nirik: My mistake—I always understood “in Phoenix” and “maintained by Fedora infra” to be the same thing.
17:39:29 <nirik> mitr: well, we can get to them and power them off, etc... :) but yeah.
17:39:32 <dgilmore> proposal: any arch that wants to call itself fedora needs to build up and host their own infrastructure, along with building up enough packages to show that they can do a working remix of fedora. Then request that FESCo consider them as a secondary arch
17:39:47 <mitr> thozza: I guess the minimum we want is “bootstrap on their own”, and what we actually want is something in the middle—“build a realistic installable image”
17:40:09 <thozza> mitr: sure, it was just rough idea
17:40:15 <dgilmore> thozza: mitr: really the build everything was more about their infrastructure. hopefully the newer proposal is clearer
17:40:16 <t8m> dgilmore, +1
17:40:31 <mitr> dgilmore: Works for me (… as a default/starting point; someone proposing an arch would probably want to come discuss the specifics in any case). +1
17:40:37 <jwb> +1
17:40:39 <nirik> sure, +1
17:40:42 <dgilmore> mitr: right
17:40:52 <thozza> dgilmore: +1
17:40:57 <sgallagh> dgilmore: +1
17:41:06 <nirik> #agreed any arch that wants to call itself fedora needs to build up and host their own infrastructure, along with building up enough packages to show that they can do a working remix of fedora. Then request that FESCo consider them as a secondary arch (+7,0,0)
17:41:15 <nirik> #topic Next weeks chair
17:41:21 <nirik> who wants the mic next week?
17:41:34 <sgallagh> And by extension, any package removed from Fedora proper that wanted to revitalize itself should have to re-enter through the same process?
17:41:50 <jwb> sgallagh, uh...
17:41:52 <jwb> what?
17:41:55 <nirik> sgallagh: ?
17:41:57 <sgallagh> s/package/arch/
17:41:59 <sgallagh> Sorry
17:42:03 <jwb> oh
17:42:09 <dgilmore> sgallagh: yes
17:42:13 <jwb> we have a process for that
17:42:15 <t8m> sgallagh, I think it is implicit
17:42:19 <jwb> but yeah, kind of implied
17:42:22 <nirik> yeah.
17:42:41 <mitr> sgallagh: “by default”, though taking shortcuts by reusing stuff that already exists (like existing servers in existing racks that noone else needs) would I hope be permissible.
17:42:49 <nirik> I would also hope if we demoted say... i686... we would be clear what criteria it would need to be secondary/etc.
17:42:50 <jwb> wait, sorry. strike my process comment. i was thinking of something else
17:42:54 <jwb> still implied though
17:43:24 <jwb> nirik, if we do that i would hope we'd go a step further and line it up before we demoted
17:43:25 <dgilmore> nirik: I do think we need to look at a plan to demote i686 to secondary status
17:43:42 <jwb> nirik, lots of lead time, deprecate in release N, demote in release N+1 or N+2
17:43:50 <dgilmore> assuming that there is people wanting to keep 32 bit x86 around longer term
17:43:50 <nirik> sure.
17:44:01 <jwb> because just dropping it like we did ppc makes it 10x harder to bring back
17:44:04 <nirik> I'd be happy to see it go. ;)
17:44:20 * sgallagh is in the "burn it down and salt the earth" crowd, personally
17:44:28 <nirik> anyhow, next week chair? anyone?
17:44:35 <sgallagh> I'll take it. It's been a whie.
17:44:37 <sgallagh> *while
17:44:39 <mitr> dgilmore: I wonder. With all the talk about being a fractured platform that breaks apps, the 32-bit userspace (not booting in 32-bit) might be worth maintaining for a very long time. But that’s for some other time.
17:44:41 <jwb> (actually, ppc might have been doen that way and nobody cared enough to pick it up until after the fact. i can't remember)
17:44:48 <nirik> #info sgallagh to chair next week
17:44:50 <nirik> thanks sgallagh
17:45:10 <jwb> mitr, they already stopped supporting that 2 releases gao
17:45:12 <jwb> er, ago
17:45:21 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:45:25 <mitr> jwb: I was talking about 686
17:45:29 <jwb> mitr, ah!
17:45:33 <mitr> For open floor: Anything on #1334 (Zanata)?
17:45:57 <nirik> mitr: my understanding is that they wanted to keep discussing in ticket... since this is a bad time for them...
17:46:04 <t8m> I am OK with the transfer to Zanata for F22
17:46:43 <mitr> nirik: My guess is that bringing it up on the meeting might actually collect the +5 necessary way quicker than just reminding everyone in the ticket.
17:47:06 <sgallagh> This might be more a rel-eng question, but how are we feeling about Alpha? We identified several new blockers today at the review. Should we setting expectations?
17:47:15 <nirik> I'm happy to let translators do what they think is best... although I feel a bit uneasy that may not have been a full evaluation of alternatives...
17:47:29 <nirik> mitr: sure, true.
17:47:48 <dgilmore> nirik: same
17:48:14 <sgallagh> nirik: Sensible (with the obvious qualification of "within Fedora's Foundations and mission"
17:48:36 <mitr> nirik: More or less, yes.
17:48:43 <sgallagh> i.e. I don't love the idea of automating Google Translate or Bing!
17:48:51 <sgallagh> (not that this is on the table)
17:48:58 <dgilmore> sgallagh: Im confident we can build and deliver something, I honestly expect that Beta will look different to Alpha, as we will learn some lessons and have issues to fix along the way
17:49:15 <mitr> AFAICT our concern is primarily the scheduling, and even that only for the few dozen packages that are Fedora-native
17:49:18 <sgallagh> dgilmore: I meant more in terms of time-scale
17:49:34 <dgilmore> sgallagh: really depends on the bugs and how long they take to fix
17:49:40 * sgallagh nods
17:49:55 <dgilmore> sgallagh: the compose side being the big blocker is gone for now
17:49:59 <sgallagh> BTW, thanks and congratulations on getting out TC4
17:50:28 <nirik> http://pootle.translatehouse.org was mentioned... but anyhow, I am ok with them doing what they think is best. The history with transifex makes me sad to be moving things... oh well.
17:50:28 <dgilmore> still got some tweaking to go, but it's getting there
17:51:02 <dgilmore> nirik: I know that OLPC uses pootle
17:51:25 <t8m> it's slightly confusing talking about two topics at once :)
17:51:30 <nirik> zanata does have interested developers already working with the community.
17:51:34 <dgilmore> t8m: true
17:51:52 <mitr> proposal: FESCo is fine with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Move_To_Zanata ; please schedule the upstream project migration to happen after F21 final release is approved.
17:51:59 <nirik> so, any other votes on the 1334 ticket? or shall we vote in ticket/discuss more next week?
17:52:26 <t8m> mitr, +1
17:52:33 <sgallagh> mitr: +1
17:52:41 <nirik> mitr: +1
17:52:48 <thozza> mitr: +1
17:52:49 <kalev> mitr: +1
17:53:04 <dgilmore> +1
17:53:16 <nirik> #agreed FESCo is fine with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Move_To_Zanata ; please schedule the upstream project migration to happen after F21 final release is approved. (+7,0,0)
17:53:27 <nirik> any other open floor topics?
17:54:03 * thozza will be on vacation for next 2 weeks... so will not attend the next two meetings
17:54:19 <kalev> regarding possibly demoting i686, we could try and do it step by step
17:54:28 <kalev> like ship only x86_64 install images for F24 or whatever, but at the same time still build everything for i686 too to keep multilib support
17:54:37 <kalev> and then, in a later release (F25? or F26?) it would allow us to drop the i686 kernel and really force even the upgraders to x86_64
17:54:56 <jwb> we could do all kinds of alternatives too
17:55:11 <dgilmore> kalev: perhaps. we should talk to OLPC as thier x86 hardware is all 32 bit only
17:55:23 <dgilmore> so we should make sure that we continue to support them
17:55:39 <jwb> dgilmore, they don't use our kernel
17:55:39 <dgilmore> there is a ton of options for what we can do
17:55:40 <kalev> definitely -- also, if we keep building stuff but don't roll our own images, they'll still be able to ship their custom images
17:55:49 <dgilmore> jwb: not yet, but i have heard they plan to down the road
17:56:06 <jwb> i'd like to see an interim step where we only install the 64bit kernel on 64bit CPUs. userspace could still be 32-bit
17:56:13 <thozza> is there a way how to migrate actual i686 Fedora to x86_64?
17:56:14 <mitr> I think we will have to expect quite a few contributors interested in keeping i686 going, with varying / currently unknown ability to actually do it.
17:56:21 <jwb> thozza, yes. reinstall ;)
17:56:36 <thozza> jwb: that's what I was afraid of
17:56:42 <mitr> thozza: It would be highly desirable to build one, yes.
17:56:57 <jwb> mitr, i'm not sure about that
17:57:12 <dgilmore> jwb: that should be doable. just need to work with releng and anaconda teams to make it happen
17:57:21 <nirik> I would hope the number of people who install i686 fedora on x86_64 hardware is small,but I could be wrong.
17:57:27 <mitr> jwb: I think we could _survive_ the migration without it, but it would be painful for many people
17:57:54 <jwb> nirik, surprisingly not. lots of people love PAE for some unknown reason
17:57:57 <nirik> we can also look and see how well the centos 7 i386 effort goes.
17:58:16 <nirik> jwb: sad
17:58:22 <jwb> nirik, i would expect it to go much more poorly than a well planned fedora demotion
17:58:30 <jwb> because they literally have to bootstrap from nothing.
17:58:35 <nirik> true enough
17:59:13 <nirik> does anyone want to take on coming up with some proposals around i686 ?
17:59:37 <jwb> people hate me enough as it is. i'll be happy for someone else to lead there. maybe the server WG?
17:59:55 <nirik> or base... but sure.
17:59:59 * dgilmore needs to run and pick up daughter from school
18:00:05 * kalev needs to run too.
18:00:12 <nirik> anyhow, anything else for open floor?
18:00:38 <nirik> will close in a minute or so.
18:00:49 <sgallagh> Nothing from me
18:01:30 <nirik> #endmeeting
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Re: Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-08-26)
by Marcela Mašláňová
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#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-08-26)
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Meeting started by mmaslano at 13:00:13 UTC. The full logs are available
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Meeting summary
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* follow up from we learnt on Flock (mmaslano, 13:01:55)
* ACTION: hhorak will send a proposal for every WG to send a short
summary time to time to other WGs directly, so we all stay tuned
(hhorak, 13:10:25)
* ACTION: mmaslano will continue in writiing status of env and stacks
WG (mmaslano, 13:11:38)
* EPEL/epic proposal (mmaslano, 13:11:51)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/epel-devel/2014-March/009320.html
(juhp_, 13:36:27)
* ACTION: juhp_ will chat with smooge about epel/epic proposal and
what should Env and Stack WG do about it (mmaslano, 14:02:06)
Meeting ended at 14:16:36 UTC.
Action Items
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* hhorak will send a proposal for every WG to send a short summary time
to time to other WGs directly, so we all stay tuned
* mmaslano will continue in writiing status of env and stacks WG
* juhp_ will chat with smooge about epel/epic proposal and what should
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* hhorak
* hhorak will send a proposal for every WG to send a short summary
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Env and Stack WG do about it
* juhp_
* juhp_ will chat with smooge about epel/epic proposal and what should
Env and Stack WG do about it
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