First test day (new date)
by Jørn Loamx
Our first test day will be next week. We will be trying out the spin,
looking at what works, what doesn't. I have updates the wiki[1] with
some more information. Anyy suggestions for test cases or something we
should look for is welcome. We should try and get as many as possible
to come and help out and find bugs and problems, so spread the word :)
I have had to move it one day forward, to the 26th of July, because I
can't be there for the 25th.
I have also but in a QA request for an official test day on the 23rd of
August, hopefully we will get it. This will be my last day of GSoC so I
will to my best to have the spin ready to rock by then
--
Jørn Lomax
GSoC atudent, Fedora audio Spin
CS Student University of Tromsø
11 years, 8 months
Meeting 23.07
by Jørn Loamx
It's that time again, the next IRC meeting will be on Monday 22.00 UTC.
Most of the meeting point are just for information points, there isn't
too much to discuss. The agenda will be the following:
1. Recap from previous meeting
2. Test day(s)
3. Known bugs
4. Audio control application
5. open for suggestions
The agenda can also be found on the wiki[1]
Have a great weekend everyone!
regards,
[1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development#Meetings
--
Jørn Lomax
GSoC atudent, Fedora audio Spin
CS Student University of Tromsø
11 years, 8 months
Screenshot "competition"
by Jørn Loamx
Hi
The spin has now been submitted to the spins team and will start going
through it's first review. This means that it's also time to start
creating some publicity and media about the spin. I would like to hold a
little competition and see who can come up with the best screen shot of
the spin. The ISO is ready for download[1] and will include the latest
updates. You don't have to install it, you can run it in virtualbox or
qemu if you feel lazy:)
Take as many screenshots as you want, we want to find the best one that
represents what a musicians desktop should look like. The competition
will end on Monday at midnight (the winner will be decided at the IRC
meeting).
[1]http://sheep-punchers.info/fedora-audio
--
Jørn Lomax
GSoC atudent, Fedora audio Spin
CS Student University of Tromsø
11 years, 8 months
Add64
by Martin Tarenskeen
Hi,
I am trying to make some noise with Add64. I have compiled it from the
sources, the program is running and looks interesting. But until now I
have not been able to let it make any sound.
I am not sure this is because I don't completely understand this extremely
flexible, complex, but also difficult kind of synthesis. Or that I have
some other things not yet configured correctly.
Some ready-to-use patch examples that I can load into Add64 would surely
help to find what the problem I am having is.
Anyone ?
--
MT
11 years, 8 months
Fedora Jam test day July 25th
by Jørn Loamx
I am happy to announce the first test day for Fedora Jam on July 25th.
Fedora Jam is a new Fedora spin targeting audio creators and producers.
It includes a full set of lv2, dssi and ladspa plugins (and some
others). It also includes all of the most popular audio programs as
defualt, Ardour, Audacity, Bristol, Lilypond and MuseScore to mention
some. It comes configured with the JACK audio system be default and uses
KDE as it's desktop environment.
This will be an informal test day as the official test days for fedora
18 has not yet started, but we would like to have as many as possible
try it out and help with bug report, tips or just general comments to
help make this the best operating system for audio enthusiasts.
more info can be found on the fedora wiki[1] or by contacting me :)
[1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_jam
regards,
--
Jørn Lomax
GSoC atudent, Fedora audio Spin
CS Student University of Tromsø
11 years, 8 months
Re: [Fedora-music-list] Bugs/Changes/Ideas
by Brian Monroe
I went ahead and installed the test spin and had a few thoughts. I'm going
to start off with stuff that's really more presentation, but then hopefully
move into more important areas (like bugs.) Here are some of my initial
ideas:
1. I think it would be neat if we created our own KDE splash screen. I
think it would seperate us from the KDE spin upon first boot. I think it's
good for users to be able to instantly recognize that they're booting into
Fedora Jam, and not having any chance that they might be booting into
something else. I'm confortable heading over to the KDE channel and asking
for advice on how to do this to get it rolling.
2. If we do our own splash screen, I'm pretty sure we can have our own
unique icons show up instead of the typical Hard Drive, Sys Pref, Plasma,
Web, and KDE icons show up. If we do pull our own, what ones should we use?
I have a few ideas, but I could use input:
1. Microphone
2. Drums
3. Bass
4. Guitar
5. 1/4" Cable ends
6. Stage
7. Violin
8. Keyboard (black and white keys to represent Pianos, Organs, and
Synths)
9. Amp
10. Headphones
11. TurnTables
12. Speakers
13. Music Staff
14. Mixing Board
15. Jar of Jam.
3. Can we edit some of the default KDE programs and startup items? I
don't know what browser most of us use, but somehow I doubt that it's
Konqueror. There's also a KDE chat client, and a daemon to help Konqueror
start more quickly in the startup items. Don't think it should be enabled
by default.
4. Along those lines, I think we should change the default desktop items
as well. The home and trash items are great, but I think we should also
include icons for our primary DAW, JACK manager, and primary notation
software to make it easier for first time users. I installed it and thought
to myself... ok... now what? A link to the musician's guide would be good
too. (Also for our testing day, A link for people to make
suggestions/and/or bugreports, this would be removed when we submit the
spin for release.)
5. Again along the same lines, we should change the default "Favorites"
in Kickoff to represent what we're trying to accomplish with our spin. I
don't think it has to all be music related, but at least have a couple of
music things in there.
6. Likewise, I thnk the Program Catagories under the KDE launcher
(Kickoff I think they call it) are poorly labled. Under Mixers, there's
Rackarack (effects) and in the main multimedia group there are a bunch of
mixer programs. (!?!?!?!) I tihnk it would be wise for us to get a new sub
section we can throw programs into (Maybe titled ProAudio?) There's too
much that can fall under MultiMedia (Everything from DAWs to Effects, to
Video Player and to Programs that burn ISOs.) It's too much. Techically
Graphics could have been under Multimedia, but they must have made their
own group at some point. I think it's time for us to do the same. I was
going to list some things that I think are out of place but the list grew
to large so I'll make a sublist here of things I think are in odd places.
1. LillyPond shouldn't be under utilities with all the other system
tools.
2. echomixer should be under mixers
3. Rakarrack shouldn't be under mixers
4. I just noticed the "Creation" folder under multi-media. I think
that should be moved out of there and changed into our new group.
5. There's a lot of Config programs for LASH, ALSA, HDSP, ect that
should be put into their own folder.
7. I didn't have time to update, so this may just be me, but both times
I've booted, LASH crashed on me. I'm going to update and see if it does it
again, but I also didn't want to forget hence the mention here.
8. Jack crashed on me twice trying to launch some synth programs. Same
as above, so I didn't actually file any bug reports.
Looking back I'm realizing that a lot of this is fluff, but I really feel
like it will be good for our end users. Also, sorry for just vomitting a
bunch of problems, and not having any solutions/fixes. But let's face it.
Sometimes I don't know what the hell I'm doing. If someone wants to help
sponsor me and explain what I need to grab for fixes I'm completely willing
to do some of the foot work.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Jørn Lomax <northlomax(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/07/2012 04:12, Brendan Jones wrote:
>
>> On 07/11/2012 04:07 AM, Jørn Lomax wrote:
>>
>>> I have now started making composes of the kickstart file. It will be
>>> made every night around 01.00 CET (23.00 UTC) from the latest kickstart
>>> in the git repo. It's not the proper build system, but it will do until
>>> we get the spin approved. To get the iso file, just point your browser
>>> to sheep-punchers.info/fedora-**audio[1]<http://sheep-punchers.info/fedora-audio%5B1%5D>and download it. (only x86_64 is
>>> available at the moment, 32bit will come tomorrow morning)
>>>
>>> We now have a working spin, but it still needs a little work. It's
>>> almost time to start testing it and working out the bugs :D
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]sheep-punchers.info/fedora-**audio<http://sheep-punchers.info/fedora-audio>
>>>
>> Cheers Jorn!
>>
>> Pulling down now...
>>
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>
> 32 bit images are now also available at the same URL.
>
> while I'm at it, new bugfix: Liveuser is now automaticly in the jackuser
> and audio groups
>
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> GSoC Fedora Audio
> CS Student University of Tromsø
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11 years, 8 months
Fwd: Bugs/Changes/Ideas
by Brian Monroe
> Hi:
>
> I like many of your suggestions, and I don't think "fluff" can be
> dismissed.
> Fedora already has good audio/music packages, so why bother with our own
> spin if
> not for the fluff?
>
> Also, I was having problems writing what I actually wanted to say, so it
> came
> out as another one of my numbered lists. It's kind of the same thing I
> always
> whine about, but it's what you get from a humanities scholar-in-training.
>
> 1.) We're Fedora, we're open source and open development, we're
> multicultural,
> we're multilingual, we're not mainstream, we are welcoming, we are the
> four Fs.
>
> 2.) As you know, the graphics for our spin are very important. Graphics are
> marketing and image-creating and generally very important to the feel of a
> distribution.
>
> 3.) Given those points, let's use our spin to make a strong statement in
> favour
> of the Fedora community's culture.
>
> 4.) We can most effectively represent our own experience of the Fedora
> community.
> When we try to represent somebody else's, we're very likely to make a
> mistake.
>
> 5.) Let's make a list of all the musical practices we are involved in, and
> collect images of Fedora community members participating in these things
> (or the
> devices Fedora community members use to participate). By "we" I mean "all
> of
> Fedora." We can write blog posts, ask people on IRC, post to mailing
> lists--
> whatever it takes.
>
I've spent some time talking with folks in #fedora-social and #fedora-music
and also some non-fedora sources that are still involved in opensource
community and music like #opensourcemusicians and #openoctave and
#ubuntustudio. In speaking to all of these people I've noticed there's
typically a group of people similar to what I would expect at my local
music store. (please note that this is very much MHO and shouldn't be
counted on for accuracy, but I believe it to be fair.)
There's typically a majority of people that play typical modern
instruments like guitars bass and drums, and record things that are
inspired by pop music/rock/ect, I would say that a majority of these people
are also running some kind of at home recording studio and they're
typically also gear heads. There's another large majority that focuses on
electronica music, with remixes, synths, house, trance, ect. Next up is
probably people who are interested in composition. There's a decent
percentage inside this group is classically trained in either orchestral
instruments, or voice. Regretfully, the last group is probably all the jazz
musicians. (I don't know if it's because they're all gigging, but they tend
to care less about hardware/software realm: holstein being the exception
that proves the rule.)
>
> 6.) Then we can try to fit everybody in, and we'll fail, but we can change
> it up
> a bit every release to make it exciting and fair.
>
> 7.) We'll avoid the appearance that we authorize only particular kinds of
> musical activities, or that we endorse certain activities over others.
>
> 8.) We'll also avoid accidentally misrepresenting what we stand for, why we
> belong to Fedora, and why we're making our own spin. What I mean is, if
> fictional
> contributor Jessica Wu uses Fedora to perform in a laptop orchestra, and
> we use
> a photograph of her doing this in the spin, almost everybody will
> understand
> that (A) she's making music with Fedora, (B) she's part of the Fedora
> community
> because she believes in its values, (C) laptop orchestras are an acceptable
> cultural practice, and (D) she doesn't represent everybody in Fedora.
>
>
+! I agree with all of your points, and I think it's important reflect our
community with "all that is possible" Not only will it allow us to include
others, but it will encourage others to branch out into areas they didn't
expect to be able to use the spin.
> I know there's a general distaste for actually showing people in artwork,
> but I
> wonder how far we can push the limit.
I think pictures like this would be fine for places like the musician's
guide, wiki, website, ect, but I want to push back on using pictures like
this for things like desktop, and login backgrounds. It's difficult for me
to imagine users seeing Jessica Wu and wanting to keep that as a
background, or pick up a spin case with her pic on it... I say that unless
she's drop-dead-gorgeous, but are we going to sell Fedora with sex? Where
did this girl come from, and where are we getting these pictures?!? Sorry,
I'm getting side tracked, heheheh.
I think musicians are very much artists and we like things to be a little
less defined, which is why people in the artwork won't be appealing for
most people. However, Sexy photos of gear (Thank you Brandon Jones for
putting it so eloquently) typically is at least appealing to most. We'll
never be able to accommodate every one, which is fine, but maybe instead of
thinking of what we're doing as endorsement, we should rather think of it
as celebratory.
You'll have to forgive the postmodern in me for wanting a both/and
solution. What if we did our first theme as something along the lines of
Celebration in collaboration and performance. Like doing collages of a wide
range of gear, with classical instruments, compressors, turntables, sheet
music, and guitars. There would be a lot going on, and some of it may not
always be clear or defined, but that's what happens when you just grab a
bunch of people and tell them to Jam on something. Kinda like there is so
much stuff, it's hard to define what kind of music or genre it represents.
But playing music is a common theme throughout.
We can also package more than one theme, (KDE already does that) so there's
no real reason not to, other than who's going to do it. Why not have
different themes, complete with their own sounds that represent and
celebrate different types of music. There might be an easy way to have a
user change or select a theme that would suit them on the initial boot, or
soon after they log in (like a desktop link). As we release new releases we
can choose or create a new theme to celebrate while keeping all of the
prior ones available.
Ok I'm getting tired.
/end rant
11 years, 8 months
Re: [Fedora-music-list] Bugs/Changes/Ideas
by Brian Monroe
>
>
>>
>> There's only one of these I object to and it might just be I'm
>> misinterpreting...
>>
>> > If we do our own splash screen, I'm pretty sure we can have our own
>> unique
>> > icons show up instead of the typical Hard Drive, Sys Pref, Plasma, Web,
>> and
>> > KDE icons show up. If we do pull our own, what ones should we use? I
>> have a
>> > few ideas, but I could use input:
>> >
>> > Microphone
>> > Drums
>> > Bass
>> ...
>>
>> These are all cool ideas and might be appropriate for matching apps
>> (if they don't have them already, or to bring coherence even if they
>> do). But I think it's really important not to give unintuitive icons
>> to standard 'computer' functions, things like 'disks' and 'browsers'
>> users shouldn't have to guess are a loudspeaker and drums.
>>
>>
> To clarify, there are icons that fade onto the screen while you log in.
> These cannot be clicked on in any way, it just shows the KDE progress of
> loading your desktop. The icons that fade onto the background image are: a
> Hard Drive, Wrench and Screwdriver, The Plasma Icon, A Globe, and the KDE
> icon. After all the icons fade against the login background the image fades
> to your desktop.
>
> I'm not suggesting we change icons for computers or hard drives or
> browsers, just the overall look of the login experience.
>
> Sorry I should have been more thorough in my initial explanation. I
> attached a screen shot so you can see what I'm talking about. It doesn't
> have the plasma icon like the current build, instead it has a desktop icon.
>
11 years, 8 months