Hi, First : this list is kind of dead, at least you won't have too many mail from it. Then about you interface, I guess it is the Line 6 GuitarPort. I could not find whether it is Class Compliant or not. (Some interfaces require a driver and will only work on Windows/MAc) You could try to connect it to various USB ports on you PC and - type "dmesg" in a console just after having plugged the USB, to see what is recognized. - If the console is too alien for you.  Launch QJack (graphical application that should be already installed) ; Go to "Setup ..." and look at the "Interface" drop down list if you can see your interface. That would be a start. Note that until your interface is recognized the distributions or applications you are using won't make a difference.  Let's first solve that Regards Bruno On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:24 AM bruce <darkoverlordofdata(a)gmail.com <mailto:darkoverlordofdata@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been using windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has to offer. I went with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to install or how to configure it, so this seems like the place to start. But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem to have much info. Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using GuitarPort) I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my headphones right away, before I even start anything. (Normally I don’t hear anything until the signal is routed through the amplifier software, but I’ve never used it in linux before, maybe that is expected?) I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting, and I see the following: Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port. USB device that should be Master: No USB Master. The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do, all I get is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is closing my eyes and poking at it with a stick. Are there some instructions on how to set this up? Thanks, bruce -- Bruno VERNAY

On 1 Nov 2020, at 23.14, bruce <darkoverlordofdata(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:  Thank you for getting back so quickly. This is not class compliant it’s about 15-20 years old. But there is a driver for linux, “line6usb driver version 0.9.1beta (revision 690)” and when I type in lsmod, I see snd_usb_line6 listed. Carla does look easier than jack, but initially, I’m just seeing the same thing -system capture connected to pulse_in, and pulse_out connected to system playback. I’ll have to look for a carla tutorial, their documentation is pretty slim ;) bruce > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:02 AM Erich Eickmeyer <eeickmeyer(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote: > Hi Bruce and Bruno, > >> On 11/1/20 3:51 AM, Bruno Vernay wrote: >> Hi, >> First : this list is kind of dead, at least you won't have too many mail from it. >> Then about you interface, I guess it is the Line 6 GuitarPort. >> I could not find whether it is Class Compliant or not. (Some interfaces require a driver and will only work on Windows/MAc) >> >> You could try to connect it to various USB ports on you PC and >> - type "dmesg" in a console just after having plugged the USB, to see what is recognized. >> - If the console is too alien for you. Launch QJack (graphical application that should be already installed) ; Go to "Setup ..." and look at the "Interface" drop down list if you can see your interface. >> >> That would be a start. >> >> Note that until your interface is recognized the distributions or applications you are using won't make a difference. Let's first solve that >> >> Regards >> Bruno >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:24 AM bruce <darkoverlordofdata(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been using windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has to offer. I went with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to install or how to configure it, so this seems like the place to start. >>> >>> But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem to have much info. >>> Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using GuitarPort) I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my headphones right away, before I even start anything. (Normally I don’t hear anything until the signal is routed through the amplifier software, but I’ve never used it in linux before, maybe that is expected?) >>> >>> I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting, and I see the following: >>> Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port. >>> USB device that should be Master: No USB Master. >>> >>> The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do, all I get is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is closing my eyes and poking at it with a stick. Are there some instructions on how to set this up? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> bruce >>> >> >> >> -- >> Bruno VERNAY >> > So, QJackCtl is overly-complicated, and unless you know what you're doing it should be avoided. This is why I started including Studio Controls with Jam. Studio Controls simplifies it. > > And, I'm sorry I'm just now answering this. My time is quite limited this weekend due to family events. > > What it looks like is that the device is being recognized, JACK is starting, but the device isn't being patched to the outputs. Open Carla, and click on the Patchbay tab. From there you can drag a wire from your input to whatever output (or plugin input) you'd like. Carla is a plugin host, so think of it as an effects rack or an equipment rack, and the patchbay as a patchbay, or the back of said rack. > > I hope that helps. > > -- > Erich Eickmeyer > Maintainer > Fedora Jam > -- Bruce Davidson _______________________________________________ music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org

I haven’t actually found linuxmusicians.com <http://linuxmusicians.com> very helpful. Thay have a lot of unanswered questions, including mine 😊. I didn’t realize they had a facebook page, but then I boycott facebook. Before I tried fedora jam, I tried ubuntu studio, avlinux, and kxstudio. I got nowhere with those, and couldn’t find any help – y'all are the first live humans I’ve encountered on this quest. From what I’ve been able to tell, the ‘make music on linux movement’ started shutering a couple years ago. Then I read in Phoronix that Fedora Jam would either shuter or release a version 33. So I checked and you had a 33 download. Fedora is really my last try at this before heading back to windows.

Hi Erich, I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to make and need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, best support, would you recommend: 1. Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS 2. Ubuntu Studio 20.10 3. Fedora Jam (32 or 33) I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with Stanford's CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression everyone else is settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer KDE and stability, so last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and U-studio on one hard drive, and Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't find much difference, so settled on Fedora and spent a few days correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling WhySynth 2017 and OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change. My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I would love to contribute to one or both of these projects. Thanks Steve

While we have you on this thread Erich... Firstly, I would like to say thank you for being so incredibly active on both the Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam projects. Secondly, your vision for Pipeline integration sounds awesome. Lastly, I consider myself a fairly average Linux user, and one of the disadvantages that I see at this point is that a lot of commercial programs that are developed for Linux are only packaged as .deb files (Bitwig Studio, Waveform, etc.). It would be useful with some tools to install such programs on Fedora. There are a couple of scrIpts on GitHub for Bitwig and the Waveform team provides instructions for an install on an .rpm based system (that don’t always work)... Perhaps an alternative would be to do as the Solus project, that provides a separate server with useful third party programs... That way, a functioning install would be guaranteed. My 2¢. Brian On 3 Nov 2020, at 02.01, Erich Eickmeyer <eeickmeyer(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:  Hi Steve, On 11/2/20 3:01 PM, Steve Batte wrote: Hi Erich, I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to make and need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, best support, would you recommend: 1. Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS 2. Ubuntu Studio 20.10 3. Fedora Jam (32 or 33) I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with Stanford's CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression everyone else is settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer KDE and stability, so last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and U-studio on one hard drive, and Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't find much difference, so settled on Fedora and spent a few days correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling WhySynth 2017 and OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change. My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I would love to contribute to one or both of these projects. Thanks Steve When it comes to changing the subject, you really need to start a new thread. So, I hate to say it, but this is a little off-topic. That said, this is one of the oldest questions ("Which is best?") as it's very subjective. As for me, I dual-boot both, but that's mostly because I'm in charge of both projects (Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam). However, if you had to choose just one, I can't answer that question. What works best for one person won't necessarily work best for everyone. But, I do have a few things for you to consider. Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. One thing I've been considering doing was emailing the person in charge of that to see if he wanted to get it going again. That said, many of the tools that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in Fedora (except the RT kernel, more on that later). My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet intertwined. Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers (like myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and publishers. Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux, such as pipewire. With Fedora 34, we're hoping to get Pipewire mainstream, and I'm one of the people doing the testing and, quite possible, will be authoring a system-wide change proposal for all of Fedora to switch to Pipewire as the default audio server, if I can get a few ducks in a row in those regards. My rationale is that Pipewire will be a drop-in replacement for both PulseAudio and JACK and will make applications that target both completely interoperable without bridges. This, quite literally, is the dream for audio on Linux that we've been waiting for since ALSA. Another thing to consider: Ubuntu Studio was neglected for 2 years (2016-2018) before I came along. Fedora Jam was neglected for much longer: 7 years (2013-2020). The longer a distro, or in these cases spins, is neglected, the harder it is to pick-up the pieces and get it moving again. Ubuntu Studio is *finally* where it needs to be, but Jam, partially because the KDE spin went a couple years with a lack of leadership, and partially because Jam itself went 7 years until this past January, is still suffering. I've slowly been introducing new packages with plugins and other software to Fedora. For instance, JACK Mixer had been a thing in Ubuntu (and Debian) for a very long time, but was never a part of Fedora until just recently. While I have been introducing items formerly in Planet CCRMA and rolling-in other items, we cannot bring-in an RT kernel, nor would I want to. I made a huge write-up on the Ubuntu wiki ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel) as to why RT kernels this day and age are a BAD idea. TL;DR: They're full of security holes, and most modern hardware, with a current Linux kernel, doesn't need them anyhow. The Ubuntu Lowlatency Kernel and the Fedora kernel are already lowlatency-enabled. In Jam and Ubuntu Studio, we add an additional kernel boot parameter, "threadirqs", which activates the already-configured "CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING=y" kernel flag (the code for that flag doesn't work without the "threadirqs" boot parameter). This allows for more IRQ threading and lower latency, albiet at the expense of power usage, all while keeping your system secure. So, I hope that helps you in your decision. Either way, I'd welcome contributions to either or both of these projects. :) -- Erich Eickmeyer Maintainer Fedora Jam Project Leader Ubuntu Studio Council Member Ubuntu Community Council _______________________________________________ music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org _______________________________________________ music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org

Just to wrap this up. I'm going back to Ubuntustudio -- I've already installed 20.10 and started on a new song. I hope to also do a dual-boot with Fedora Jam before long because the changes you're suggesting sound really interesting. Your comments about the different visions for Fedora Jam and UbuntuStudio definitely influenced my decision. Can I share a short excerpt with the Facebook LinuxMusicians? Something like this: "Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. That said, many of the tools that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in Fedora (except the RT kernel, more on that later).

My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet intertwined. Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers (like myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and publishers. Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux." And thanks for all your hard work on both of these projects. I'll be contacting you via Ubuntu channels about helping soon. On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 4:01 PM Erich Eickmeyer <eeickmeyer(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:eeickmeyer@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: Hi Steve, On 11/2/20 3:01 PM, Steve Batte wrote: > Hi Erich, > > I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to > make and need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, > best support, would you recommend: > > 1. Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS > 2. Ubuntu Studio 20.10 > 3. Fedora Jam (32 or 33) > > > I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with > Stanford's CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression > everyone else is settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer > KDE and stability, so last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and > U-studio on one hard drive, and Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't > find much difference, so settled on Fedora and spent a few days > correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling WhySynth 2017 and > OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change. > > My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I > would love to contribute to one or both of these projects. > > Thanks > Steve > When it comes to changing the subject, you really need to start a new thread. So, I hate to say it, but this is a little off-topic. That said, this is one of the oldest questions ("Which is best?") as it's very subjective. As for me, I dual-boot both, but that's mostly because I'm in charge of both projects (Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam). However, if you had to choose just one, I can't answer that question. What works best for one person won't necessarily work best for everyone. But, I do have a few things for you to consider. Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. One thing I've been considering doing was emailing the person in charge of that to see if he wanted to get it going again. That said, many of the tools that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in Fedora (except the RT kernel, more on that later). My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet intertwined. Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers (like myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and publishers. Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux, such as pipewire. With Fedora 34, we're hoping to get Pipewire mainstream, and I'm one of the people doing the testing and, quite possible, will be authoring a system-wide change proposal for all of Fedora to switch to Pipewire as the default audio server, if I can get a few ducks in a row in those regards. My rationale is that Pipewire will be a drop-in replacement for both PulseAudio and JACK and will make applications that target both completely interoperable without bridges. This, quite literally, is the dream for audio on Linux that we've been waiting for since ALSA. Another thing to consider: Ubuntu Studio was neglected for 2 years (2016-2018) before I came along. Fedora Jam was neglected for much longer: 7 years (2013-2020). The longer a distro, or in these cases spins, is neglected, the harder it is to pick-up the pieces and get it moving again. Ubuntu Studio is *finally* where it needs to be, but Jam, partially because the KDE spin went a couple years with a lack of leadership, and partially because Jam itself went 7 years until this past January, is still suffering. I've slowly been introducing new packages with plugins and other software to Fedora. For instance, JACK Mixer had been a thing in Ubuntu (and Debian) for a very long time, but was never a part of Fedora until just recently. While I have been introducing items formerly in Planet CCRMA and rolling-in other items, we cannot bring-in an RT kernel, nor would I want to. I made a huge write-up on the Ubuntu wiki (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel>) as to why RT kernels this day and age are a BAD idea. TL;DR: They're full of security holes, and most modern hardware, with a current Linux kernel, doesn't need them anyhow. The Ubuntu Lowlatency Kernel and the Fedora kernel are already lowlatency-enabled. In Jam and Ubuntu Studio, we add an additional kernel boot parameter, "threadirqs", which activates the already-configured "CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING=y" kernel flag (the code for that flag doesn't work without the "threadirqs" boot parameter). This allows for more IRQ threading and lower latency, albiet at the expense of power usage, all while keeping your system secure. So, I hope that helps you in your decision. Either way, I'd welcome contributions to either or both of these projects. :) -- Erich Eickmeyer Maintainer         Fedora Jam Project Leader     Ubuntu Studio Council Member     Ubuntu Community Council _______________________________________________ music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:music@lists.fedoraproject.org> To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:music-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ <https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines> List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.o... _______________________________________________ music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org

On 2 Nov 2020, at 19.47, bruce <darkoverlordofdata(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:  I haven’t actually found linuxmusicians.com very helpful. Thay have a lot of unanswered questions, including mine 😊. I didn’t realize they had a facebook page, but then I boycott facebook. Before I tried fedora jam, I tried ubuntu studio, avlinux, and kxstudio. I got nowhere with those, and couldn’t find any help – y'all are the first live humans I’ve encountered on this quest. From what I’ve been able to tell, the ‘make music on linux movement’ started shutering a couple years ago. Then I read in Phoronix that Fedora Jam would either shuter or release a version 33. So I checked and you had a 33 download. Fedora is really my last try at this before heading back to windows. > On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 1:06 AM Brian Durant <globetrotterdk(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > FYI the folks over at the Linux Musicians Facebook group are very helpful. Unfortunately, despite trying to promote Fedora Jam, I don’t think that there are very many members that have tried it, so Fedora specific info probably needs to be accessed somewhere else... Unfortunately, you have to be really lucky to get in contact with another Fedora Jam user through the general “ask Fedora” forum. That is why this list email list is important. > > Brian > >>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 23.14, bruce <darkoverlordofdata(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>  >> Thank you for getting back so quickly. >> >> This is not class compliant it’s about 15-20 years old. But there is a driver for linux, “line6usb driver version 0.9.1beta (revision 690)” and when I type in lsmod, I see snd_usb_line6 listed. >> >> Carla does look easier than jack, but initially, I’m just seeing the same thing -system capture connected to pulse_in, and pulse_out connected to system playback. I’ll have to look for a carla tutorial, their documentation is pretty slim ;) >> >> bruce >> >> >>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:02 AM Erich Eickmeyer <eeickmeyer(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote: >>> Hi Bruce and Bruno, >>> >>>> On 11/1/20 3:51 AM, Bruno Vernay wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> First : this list is kind of dead, at least you won't have too many mail from it. >>>> Then about you interface, I guess it is the Line 6 GuitarPort. >>>> I could not find whether it is Class Compliant or not. (Some interfaces require a driver and will only work on Windows/MAc) >>>> >>>> You could try to connect it to various USB ports on you PC and >>>> - type "dmesg" in a console just after having plugged the USB, to see what is recognized. >>>> - If the console is too alien for you. Launch QJack (graphical application that should be already installed) ; Go to "Setup ..." and look at the "Interface" drop down list if you can see your interface. >>>> >>>> That would be a start. >>>> >>>> Note that until your interface is recognized the distributions or applications you are using won't make a difference. Let's first solve that >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Bruno >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:24 AM bruce <darkoverlordofdata(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been using windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has to offer. I went with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to install or how to configure it, so this seems like the place to start. >>>>> >>>>> But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem to have much info. >>>>> Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using GuitarPort) I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my headphones right away, before I even start anything. (Normally I don’t hear anything until the signal is routed through the amplifier software, but I’ve never used it in linux before, maybe that is expected?) >>>>> >>>>> I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting, and I see the following: >>>>> Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port. >>>>> USB device that should be Master: No USB Master. >>>>> >>>>> The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do, all I get is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is closing my eyes and poking at it with a stick. Are there some instructions on how to set this up? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> bruce >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bruno VERNAY >>>> >>> So, QJackCtl is overly-complicated, and unless you know what you're doing it should be avoided. This is why I started including Studio Controls with Jam. Studio Controls simplifies it. >>> >>> And, I'm sorry I'm just now answering this. My time is quite limited this weekend due to family events. >>> >>> What it looks like is that the device is being recognized, JACK is starting, but the device isn't being patched to the outputs. Open Carla, and click on the Patchbay tab. From there you can drag a wire from your input to whatever output (or plugin input) you'd like. Carla is a plugin host, so think of it as an effects rack or an equipment rack, and the patchbay as a patchbay, or the back of said rack. >>> >>> I hope that helps. >>> >>> -- >>> Erich Eickmeyer >>> Maintainer >>> Fedora Jam >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Bruce Davidson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Bruce Davidson