-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Congratulations to Jorn Lomax, who was accepted to Google Summer of Code 2012 for the Fedora Audio Spin! This is good news for all of us here in the Audio SIG, and I hope we can all find the time to lend a hand where possible. A list of accepted proposals can be found here: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 Fedora has 10, and they all look interesting and useful. Thank you to all the students who applied. I hope everybody finds a way to contribute in the future.

On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 17:25 +0200, Brendan Jones wrote: > On 04/24/2012 03:53 AM, Christopher R. Antila wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Congratulations to Jorn Lomax, who was accepted to Google Summer of >> Code 2012 for the Fedora Audio Spin! >> >> This is good news for all of us here in the Audio SIG, and I hope we >> can all find the time to lend a hand where possible. >> >> A list of accepted proposals can be found here: >> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 >> Fedora has 10, and they all look interesting and useful. >> >> Thank you to all the students who applied. I hope everybody finds a >> way to contribute in the future. >> > > I'd like to second Christophers' comments in congratulating Jorn and > welcoming him into the Fedora team. I'm really looking forward to see > what we can do together. > > I think this is a really exciting time for Linux Audio, and its time > Fedora caught up. I encourage all the members of the list to voice your > opinions/concerns now such that we have sufficient time to address them > before Fedora 18 (may seem like a long way away, but its not). It will > also give Jorn a heads up before his project finishes. > > To the other applicants: the number of slots allocated to Fedora by > Google this year was smaller than we expected, and as a result we were > only able to choose one applicant, whereas we would have liked two. That > doesn't mean you can't contribute to Fedora and/or the Audio spin, all > efforts are welcome, and can only improve your GSOC chances next year. > > regards, > > Brendan > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music I would like to use this opportunity to introduce myself. As stated above, my name is Jørn Lomax. As you con probably tell from my name, I'm Norwegian. I'm 23 years old and a second year CS student at the University of Tromsø I would also like to apologize for taking so long to introduce myself. I just finished one exam in my operating systems course, in which we were to implement virtual memory with paging and swapping from scratch. It turned out to be a bit of a bitch (pardon my language) to implement so my past 3 weeks have been stuck in the university CS lab swearing at a computer screen. I get my next assignment today (this time we are creating a filesystem) which will be due in another 3 weeks. This means that i have one week free now to catch up on everything that is backed up and then my time will get increasingly tied up to the exam the closer i get to the delivery date. Anyway, back to the point. The reason I applied to do GSoC with fedora, is because i think that an audio spin is just what fedora needs. I have been used ubuntu studio several times, and i think it's very useful. But that being said, if you are not an ubuntu fan, there are no other options. I also want to learn how to help with an open source project as much as possible, and i can see myself one day being a regular contributer to an open source project, and i would not mind at all if that project happened to be fedora I have something of a background in music, but i wouldn't go as far as to say I'm a musician. I studied music for three years at "videregående skole" (high school (US) or collage(UK)). I specialized in guitar,but i was never any good at it. I was however good at composing and arranging, and that is something i still love doing. Don't get me wrong, i still take my guitar out an play from time to time, but it's not something o do actively. I did play in a band when at school, but we never really got anywhere. As you can probably guess by the fact that I'm a guitarist, my musical tastes fall some where close. I'm a huge prog rock fan, with Pink Floyd being my all time favorite band, but i also love Dream theater, genesis, Micheal Oldfield etc. . But i like all music, apart from hip-hop or death metal and i often listen to techno(huge daft punk fan), classical(my favorite composers are Eric Satie, Tchaikovsky and Beethoven) or just chill out to classic rock. When it comes to me and Linux, I have used it for 5-6 years now. I have mainly used ubuntu or mint, but have also used openSUSE for over a year. At school we run centOS (some ancient version of it). I have run fedora, but i usually run into some issue I'm not sure about and instead of figuring it out, i install something I'm used to. That was 1-2 years ago and I have installed it again on my desktop, and I'm able to resolve more of the issues i used to have now, since I'm much more experienced in Linux now than i was when i tried it last. I don't have any experience with packaging, but I'm a fast learner when i get into things and I'm sure i will pick it up quickly. I'm really looking forward to working with everyone, and i will be in 100% from the 7th of June when i have completed my last exam in linear algebra (may the gods grant me help on that one). I'll be watching the mailing list closely until then. If there are any question, i will be happy to answer them regards, Jørn Lomax _______________________________________________ music mailing list music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/17/2012 11:06 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: > On 05/16/2012 12:38 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote: >> On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 17:25 +0200, Brendan Jones wrote: >>> On 04/24/2012 03:53 AM, Christopher R. Antila wrote: >>>> etc. > Hey Jørn > > (if you can tell me how to get that crazy umlaut/o on my keyboard > it'd be much appreciated) > > Thanks for the intro - it seems to me that you are exactly what > the project is after. I too started out with Ubuntu studio back in > the day but abandoned it for various reasons (mainly work related) > and since joining Fedora have never looked back. You are right - > Fedora has long since been considered a developer's distro but the > fact of the matter is that most audio developers are using debian > as their distro of choice. This means that we have a lot of catch > up to do and hopefully we can turn the tables in due course, and > bring both users and developers back into the fold. > > Whilst there is a strong packaging aspect of your task (and you > should get your first package reviewed and mentored ASAP) there is > also a lot of communication that needs to be had with the various > SIG's involved. First things first, I'd suggest we start holding > bi-monthly IRC meetings with you as the chair, and we can start to > discuss such things as the package make-up of the spin, and what we > can and can't do in terms of configuration out of the box. We > probably will have many questions to put to the Spins SIG. I'll > leave it up to you to organize the IRC meeting when you are free > from your studies. I work from home so am very flexible in terms of > time etc. > > And most importantly, good luck with your final exam! If you need > help or have any questions I'm there's a bunch of people here > (myself included) who can help you out. > > cheers > > Brendan Let's get started now, no need to wait! Firstly, I recommend writing a task-list with completion deadlines for everything imaginable. To see the level of detail I have in mind, refer to my 2010 Fedora Summer Coding proposal.[1] This is what saved me... without a clear plan, it's easy to get lost. I'm in favour of IRC meetings, but they have a tendency to exclude people from the decision-making process, and it's not always clear for posterity why a specific decision was made. We need to make sure we post everything on this mailing list in addition to using IRC. Do you have a blog, Jørn? If not, you should get one, then connect it to the Fedora Planet aggregator.[2] I don't know how true this is for free/open-source projects in general, but in Fedora, decisions, development, and changes are very frequently blogged about and put onto Fedora Planet. Finally, the most important thing I learned from Summer Coding is about how FLOSS projects work. Your experience will be different from mine, but for me it boils down to this: (1.) The Audio Spin is now your project. Be prepared to do *everything* by yourself. When you ask for an opinion, if nobody says anything it means you get to choose. Don't wait for consensus, make it. (2.) You can get any number of people to help you. They'll come from the most surprising places, offer the least expected advice, and solve problems much better than you can. It all depends on asking the right way at the right time. Blog posts, IRC, personal email, mailing lists. All countries, many languages, any demographic, and level of ability. A 12-year-old may know something about JACK, and a person with very low hearing may in fact know more about the audio stack than anybody. I know these contradict, but that's how it is. Welcome to Fedora! Christopher. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_proposal_-_Fedora_Music... [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet _______________________________________________ music mailing list music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music

On 05/20/2012 01:10 AM, Christopher R. Antila wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 05/17/2012 11:06 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: >> On 05/16/2012 12:38 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote: >>> On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 17:25 +0200, Brendan Jones wrote: >>>> On 04/24/2012 03:53 AM, Christopher R. Antila wrote: >>>>> etc. >> >> Hey Jørn >> >> (if you can tell me how to get that crazy umlaut/o on my keyboard >> it'd be much appreciated) >> >> Thanks for the intro - it seems to me that you are exactly what >> the project is after. I too started out with Ubuntu studio back in >> the day but abandoned it for various reasons (mainly work related) >> and since joining Fedora have never looked back. You are right - >> Fedora has long since been considered a developer's distro but the >> fact of the matter is that most audio developers are using debian >> as their distro of choice. This means that we have a lot of catch >> up to do and hopefully we can turn the tables in due course, and >> bring both users and developers back into the fold. >> >> Whilst there is a strong packaging aspect of your task (and you >> should get your first package reviewed and mentored ASAP) there is >> also a lot of communication that needs to be had with the various >> SIG's involved. First things first, I'd suggest we start holding >> bi-monthly IRC meetings with you as the chair, and we can start to >> discuss such things as the package make-up of the spin, and what we >> can and can't do in terms of configuration out of the box. We >> probably will have many questions to put to the Spins SIG. I'll >> leave it up to you to organize the IRC meeting when you are free >> from your studies. I work from home so am very flexible in terms of >> time etc. >> >> And most importantly, good luck with your final exam! If you need >> help or have any questions I'm there's a bunch of people here >> (myself included) who can help you out. >> >> cheers >> >> Brendan > > Let's get started now, no need to wait! Firstly, I recommend writing a > task-list with completion deadlines for everything imaginable. To see > the level of detail I have in mind, refer to my 2010 Fedora Summer > Coding proposal.[1] This is what saved me... without a clear plan, > it's easy to get lost. Agreed. I think the main points to concentrate on are: - getting the SPIN(s) approved and part of the Fedora 18 composes - determine what we can and can't do in terms of user configuration for audio - this will involve discussions with releng and the spins team and should be opened fairly early on I imagine We may need to create our own package which is installed by default - e.g. fedora-audio, which may provide a front end into things we can't modify from packaging alone (one thing we could do here is enable the pulse jack bridge under $HOME for example). Packaging should come in after (but be sure to get reviewed and sponsored ASAP). The focus should be on what can the audio spin do for users - there's really no point if all we achieve here is just a set of packages which supplement usual install. It would be much easier to just create an Audio comps group if that was the case and be done with it. Aim for an out of the box experience. Also have a look at themes and what we can do there to make this stand out from other Fedora spins. The Fedora design team may be able to help you here also. > > I'm in favour of IRC meetings, but they have a tendency to exclude > people from the decision-making process, and it's not always clear for > posterity why a specific decision was made. We need to make sure we > post everything on this mailing list in addition to using IRC. > > Do you have a blog, Jørn? If not, you should get one, then connect it > to the Fedora Planet aggregator.[2] I don't know how true this is for > free/open-source projects in general, but in Fedora, decisions, > development, and changes are very frequently blogged about and put > onto Fedora Planet. > > Finally, the most important thing I learned from Summer Coding is > about how FLOSS projects work. Your experience will be different from > mine, but for me it boils down to this: > > (1.) The Audio Spin is now your project. Be prepared to do > *everything* by yourself. When you ask for an opinion, if nobody says > anything it means you get to choose. Don't wait for consensus, make it. > > (2.) You can get any number of people to help you. They'll come from > the most surprising places, offer the least expected advice, and solve > problems much better than you can. It all depends on asking the right > way at the right time. Blog posts, IRC, personal email, mailing lists. > All countries, many languages, any demographic, and level of ability. > A 12-year-old may know something about JACK, and a person with very > low hearing may in fact know more about the audio stack than anybody. I somewhat agree too these 2 points. The whole purpose of the Audio spin is to strengthen the audio community around Fedora. I guess what that means is that it is in fairly wakened state to begin with, so if you wait around too much for confirmation/acceptance of your proposals you will run out of time.

I've a pretty clear idea of what needs to be done - just make sure you don't fall down the rabbit whole with packaging and the finer details and lose sight of the bigger picture (getting the Spin reviewed and approved). I'll always be around to bounce ideas off - and as Chris said, keep blogging, and don't limit your discussions to the Fedora Music List - look at LAU, opensourcemuscians and other forums to get ideas etc Getting excited! Brendan