6:48 p.m.
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Hi:
On 17 January 2013 21:15:34 Brendan Jones wrote:
Better to treat this as a remix from here (but still link to the
nightlies). Anyone have some space somewhere where we can host this?
Only for this release, right? Then we're still hoping to get an official spin?
I could probably find a way to host static images of this release.
Christopher
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12:13 a.m.
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On 01/18/2013 01:48 AM, Christopher Antila wrote:
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Hi:
On 17 January 2013 21:15:34 Brendan Jones wrote:
> Better to treat this as a remix from here (but still link to the
> nightlies). Anyone have some space somewhere where we can host this?
Only for this release, right? Then we're still hoping to get an official spin?
I could probably find a way to host static images of this release.
Christopher
Will absolutely be on the official page for Fedora 19. Release
engineering simply couldn't do it time. It is approved and official in
every other way
11:12 a.m.
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On 01/17/2013 10:13 PM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 01/18/2013 01:48 AM, Christopher Antila wrote:
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> Hi:
>
> On 17 January 2013 21:15:34 Brendan Jones wrote:
>> Better to treat this as a remix from here (but still link to the
>> nightlies). Anyone have some space somewhere where we can host this?
>
> Only for this release, right? Then we're still hoping to get an
> official spin?
>
> I could probably find a way to host static images of this release.
>
>
> Christopher
Will absolutely be on the official page for Fedora 19. Release
engineering simply couldn't do it time. It is approved and official in
every other way
Can't a new spin be added at a time other than at a release?
I'm not seeing anything relevant here saying otherwise:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process
- Karsten
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11:25 a.m.
New subject: List of packages
On 01/18/2013 06:12 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
On 01/17/2013 10:13 PM, Brendan Jones wrote:
> On 01/18/2013 01:48 AM, Christopher Antila wrote:
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>> Hi:
>>
>> On 17 January 2013 21:15:34 Brendan Jones wrote:
>>> Better to treat this as a remix from here (but still link to the
>>> nightlies). Anyone have some space somewhere where we can host this?
>>
>> Only for this release, right? Then we're still hoping to get an
>> official spin?
>>
>> I could probably find a way to host static images of this release.
>>
>>
>> Christopher
> Will absolutely be on the official page for Fedora 19. Release
> engineering simply couldn't do it time. It is approved and official in
> every other way
Can't a new spin be added at a time other than at a release?
I'm not seeing anything relevant here saying otherwise:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process
- Karsten
I guess we can still open a ticket with the websites team for the
official page, but I didn't see the point if it wasn't available with
the other media.
The other step is to get releng to include the list of RPMS required for
the building official media (it is not the same as the nightlies), legal
and translations - we missed the boat on all of them due to the wrangler
being busy with other things. I was told we would have to wait for
Fedora 19, but I guess anything is possible (discussions on the spins
list here [1]).
The spins team will tell you straight up that their process is horribly
broken. It just hasn't been given priority. I'm hoping to take a more
active role in this next release.
regards,
Brendan.
[1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2013-January/002711.html
1:17 p.m.
New subject: List of packages
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Brendan Jones
<brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The spins team will tell you straight up that their process is
horribly
broken.
Is it the "process" that's broken, or simply a lack of sufficient
resources to execute the process (people, computers, working code?)
From what I've seen, overall, the Fedora "process" is
not
significantly different from any other large-scale software
engineering project. When a project takes a schedule hit like Fedora
did, the critical path stuff like Anaconda sucks up people and
attention, and everyone off the critical path has the "luxury" of
planning for the next release. ;-)
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1:26 p.m.
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On 01/18/2013 08:17 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Brendan Jones
<brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> The spins team will tell you straight up that their process is horribly
> broken.
Is it the "process" that's broken, or simply a lack of sufficient
resources to execute the process (people, computers, working code?)
From what I've seen, overall, the Fedora "process" is not
significantly different from any other large-scale software
engineering project. When a project takes a schedule hit like Fedora
did, the critical path stuff like Anaconda sucks up people and
attention, and everyone off the critical path has the "luxury" of
planning for the next release. ;-)
The problem this time round was the one person who could engineer it all
was AWOL.
Secondary to this the current wiki based Spins process has no method of
notification of new Spins "Ready for Wrangler"/"Ready for board" etc
etc. It should be moved to trac, and all notifications should got to the
spins list. As it stands the wiki watch feature only works if you are
constantly logged in, which is not feasible. It is possible to link this
to a user wiki account, but how this would then be linked to Fedora's
FAS system I have no idea.
I'm considering putting myself up for wrangler this next release (it's
not like I have anything better to do - not!), I can certainly
contribute to engineering a better trac system at the very least.
5:04 p.m.
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On 01/18/2013 06:12 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
On 01/17/2013 10:13 PM, Brendan Jones wrote:
> On 01/18/2013 01:48 AM, Christopher Antila wrote:
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>> Hi:
>>
>> On 17 January 2013 21:15:34 Brendan Jones wrote:
>>> Better to treat this as a remix from here (but still link to the
>>> nightlies). Anyone have some space somewhere where we can host this?
>>
>> Only for this release, right? Then we're still hoping to get an
>> official spin?
>>
>> I could probably find a way to host static images of this release.
>>
>>
>> Christopher
> Will absolutely be on the official page for Fedora 19. Release
> engineering simply couldn't do it time. It is approved and official in
> every other way
Can't a new spin be added at a time other than at a release?
I'm not seeing anything relevant here saying otherwise:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process
- Karsten
Official spin page requested here [1]. We'll see
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/174
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