Il giorno 1 lug 2021, alle ore 15:06, Christian Fredrik Schaller <cschalle(a)redhat.com&gt; ha scritto: Hi everyone, So we have been shipping PipeWire for a bit now and Wim has of course been pushing out regular updates with bugfixes and enhancements. So I am not a pro-audio user myself so I wanted to ask how things are going, is PipeWire usable as a daily driver for ProAudio folks now or do you find yourself reverting to Jack ? Christian _______________________________________________ music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 9:09 AM Guido Aulisi <guido.aulisi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hi, IMHO jack is still required for professional audio, there were some issues with pipewire. I’m personally still using jack, qjackctl, a2jmidid, ardour, audacity and a bunch of LV2 plugin for professional audio. I was of course hoping for things to work great for you already with PipeWire, but all feedback is appreciated. I hope you keep testing PipeWire from time to time and let us know exactly where things might still be falling down, our goal of course is to get PipeWire to a state where it can be your daily driver as quickly as possible. Christian

Hi everyone, So we have been shipping PipeWire for a bit now and Wim has of course been pushing out regular updates with bugfixes and enhancements. So I am not a pro-audio user myself so I wanted to ask how things are going, is PipeWire usable as a daily driver for ProAudio folks now or do you find yourself reverting to Jack ? Christian _______________________________________________ music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure

Hi Keith, First of all thanks for the detailed feedback, more inline: On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 1:21 PM Keith Smith <Keith(a)santabayanian.com&gt; wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > I've been exclusively using pipewire and been happy with it. It has provided me with low latency and seems to identify all of my hardware correctly. Using Carla, I'm able to re-wire my audio to fit my current workflow. There have been some issues: > > - When freewheeling wasn't implemented I was shutdown from rendering in Ardour for a couple of weeks. That's now fixed > > -Ardour seemed to be unstable with pipewire. That's from both my experience and what I've read on various forums. You say seemed (as in the past), but I get the understanding here that this is still the case for you right? > > -While App developers tend to try to be helpful, there's not a wide acceptance of pipewire yet. A common response is to go back to Jack, or switch to alsa. I've come across several individuals in forums who advocate to everyone to avoid pipewire and stick with jack. Yeah, that is always going to be a challenge, hopefully as PipeWire gets wider adoption and further improves the resistance will fall away. > > -I switched to Reaper, but Reaper fails to reconnect everything in pipewire. This is annoying as every time I restart Reaper, or render in Reaper I have to go into Carla and reconnect my sources and sinks. I have no experience with this, but can I assume that what you are saying is that Reaper do reconnect everything if you use Jack? Or is it just that Reaper in compared to Ardour doesn't reconnect everything? > > -Reaper has no way to set pipewire buffer size and I couldn't get jackCtl to work to control it. Apparently this works with Jack? My work around is to define the environmental variable to set pipewire buffer when evoking Reaper from the command line, Does the workaround from Wim in comment 9 fix this issue for you? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1949421 > > -Gucview no longer saves audio under pipewire during video recording and there seems to be no progress, or even acknowledgement of where the problem lies. Ok, something that needs to debugged further > > -I customized alsa-monitoring to rename my audio interface and its ports, but upon updating pipewire all the customization was overwritten. The update did back-up the original file, however having to re-do the customization every time pipewire updates is annoying Ok, also worth looking into what we can do. > > -Finally, I wish there was a set of good quality GUI utilities specifically for pipewire available from Fedora repository. I believe such utilities would go a long way in giving the impression that pipewire is polished and a worthy replacement for Jack and pulseaudio. Agreed, it is an area where I hope the community will step up and help though as Wim got limited time and thus things like these ends up getting pushed down his priority list. > > > I hope this helps, It is very helpful, thank you. > > > On 7/1/21 6:06 AM, Christian Fredrik Schaller wrote: > > Hi everyone, > So we have been shipping PipeWire for a bit now and Wim has of course been pushing out regular updates with bugfixes and enhancements. So I am not a pro-audio user myself so I wanted to ask how things are going, is PipeWire usable as a daily driver for ProAudio folks now or do you find yourself reverting to Jack ? > > Christian > > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure > > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure _______________________________________________ music mailing list -- music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to music-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/music@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 3:28 PM Bruno Vernay <brunovern.a(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hi, > Currently Ardour is fine and most programs are. It is nice to be able > to play sound from Ardour (Jack/Pipewire) and from the browser > (PA/Pipewire) without having to tweak the configuration. > > Musescore still crashes instantly when configured to use Jack. I have > to configure it to use Alsa or PA. So I cannot have the Jack > transport synchro between Ardour and MuseScore. > Not that Musescore ever had a lot of Linux users, so I guess it will > take time until it plays nice with Jack/Pipewire. > > The Pipewire configuration is still a little confusing to me, seems > like there are a lot of possibilities, but examples, uses cases would > be helpful. I expect we will start to see more of them from the > community, as its usage expands. > > Glad Ardour works fine for you, as for Musescore hopefully that can be resolved. Yeah, we hope that too, that said we are also hoping to reduce the amount of configuration people should need to do, ideally we should reach a point where we can detect enough of what is happening to adjust automatically. Our medium/long term hope is to make PipeWire work so well that musicians shouldn't need a phd in config files to create music. So the config files will still be there of course, but hopefully we can make having to use them be the exception to the rule. Christian

Thanks a lot it is actually working fine. I can configure Musescore to use Jack and it does *not* crash when using the Flatpak version! (I retested that the RPM version does crash if configured to use Jack.) I have Musescore sending MIDI tracks to Ardour, fine. Jack transport works if MuseScore is the Master, but not the other way around (at least it does not crash, it just does not start) It is funny, over the years, sometimes RPM are best to get Musescore, sometimes it is the official AppImage and now the Flatpak version Anyway, thanks a lot Bruno On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Christian Fredrik Schaller <cschalle(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > Hi Bruno, > I checked with Hubert Figuiere who maintains the Flathub Flatpak of musescore. He said it had problems with previous versions of PipeWire, but that it works fine for him > with the current version of PipeWire. Would you mind testing again, maybe test both Fedora RPM and Flathub flatpak version to see if you generally hit the problem or if there could > be an issue with the Fedora RPM. > > Christian > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 3:35 PM Christian Fredrik Schaller < cschalle(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 3:28 PM Bruno Vernay <brunovern.a(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> Currently Ardour is fine and most programs are. It is nice to be able >>> to play sound from Ardour (Jack/Pipewire) and from the browser >>> (PA/Pipewire) without having to tweak the configuration. >>> >>> Musescore still crashes instantly when configured to use Jack. I have >>> to configure it to use Alsa or PA. So I cannot have the Jack >>> transport synchro between Ardour and MuseScore. >>> Not that Musescore ever had a lot of Linux users, so I guess it will >>> take time until it plays nice with Jack/Pipewire. >>> >>> The Pipewire configuration is still a little confusing to me, seems >>> like there are a lot of possibilities, but examples, uses cases would >>> be helpful. I expect we will start to see more of them from the >>> community, as its usage expands. >>> >> Glad Ardour works fine for you, as for Musescore hopefully that can be resolved. >> >> Yeah, we hope that too, that said we are also hoping to reduce the amount of configuration people should need to do, >> ideally we should reach a point where we can detect enough of what is happening to adjust automatically. Our medium/long term hope is >> to make PipeWire work so well that musicians shouldn't need a phd in config files to create music. So the config files will still be there of course, but >> hopefully we can make having to use them be the exception to the rule. >> >> Christian -- Bruno VERNAY