7:40 a.m.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Martin Langhoff <martin(a)laptop.org> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Peter Robinson
<pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> SOPs covering the basics are always useful though, being "dynamic" is
> a cop out excuse IMO and SOPs help for when people get eaten by
> raptors.
I can't find what you say documented anywhere ;-)
Peter -- stop for a second and think with me. This isn't a standard
anything: we are transitioning to a new arch, using Fedora as a base
which has been somewhat unpredictable and rather messy. We don't plan
to switch arches again soon.
I'm referring to things like how to pick which activities are used by
OOB, a new arch has nothing to do with that what so ever.
We had F13, with odd differences and gaps between our 2 SOP builds
(f11, f14); we had early f14 builds with all sorts of ad hoc fixes ot
get them to go. Horrid you say? Well, it's helped us have as current
an OS as possible, which helped us be where we are.
Again not referring to upstream OS stuff but OOB processes which
should make no difference if its a mainline release, a rawhide release
or a build using any other arch.
The SOP begins when we can sync with 11.3.0 build procedures, and I
look forward to sorting that out with you and dsd. In the meantime,
please work with Gonzalo, I guess configuring the OOB plugin that
pulls directly from ASLO.
SOP should be for things like "how do I specific which Activities are
included in a particular release".... that is what I'm referring to.
That is a SOP because the process is standard whether its a stable
release or a dev one, the x86 platform or ARM. So if you want to be
specific show me the x86 SOP for the 11.2 release for specifying the
Activities included in the release. From there I would be able to work
out how to do the same for 11.3.x dev releases for ARM :-)
Peter
7:44 a.m.
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On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Martin Langhoff
<martin(a)laptop.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> SOPs covering the basics are always useful though, being "dynamic" is
>> a cop out excuse IMO and SOPs help for when people get eaten by
>> raptors.
>
> I can't find what you say documented anywhere ;-)
>
> Peter -- stop for a second and think with me. This isn't a standard
> anything: we are transitioning to a new arch, using Fedora as a base
> which has been somewhat unpredictable and rather messy. We don't plan
> to switch arches again soon.
I'm referring to things like how to pick which activities are used by
OOB, a new arch has nothing to do with that what so ever.
I believe OOB is pulling activities and version information from here:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1
Update the links to the latest version and on the next build you should get the respective
activity version.
Reuben
7:49 a.m.
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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Reuben K. Caron <reuben(a)laptop.org> wrote:
On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Martin Langhoff <martin(a)laptop.org> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
SOPs covering the basics are always useful though, being "dynamic" is
a cop out excuse IMO and SOPs help for when people get eaten by
raptors.
I can't find what you say documented anywhere ;-)
Peter -- stop for a second and think with me. This isn't a standard
anything: we are transitioning to a new arch, using Fedora as a base
which has been somewhat unpredictable and rather messy. We don't plan
to switch arches again soon.
I'm referring to things like how to pick which activities are used by
OOB, a new arch has nothing to do with that what so ever.
I believe OOB is pulling activities and version information from here:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1
Update the links to the latest version and on the next build you should get
the respective activity version.
Thank you Reuben, that is what I was after. Are people happy for me to
update those versions to later releases?
Peter
8:27 a.m.
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Hi,
On Tue, Aug 23 2011, Peter Robinson wrote:
> I believe OOB is pulling activities and version information from
here:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1
> Update the links to the latest version and on the next build you should get
> the respective activity version.
Thank you Reuben, that is what I was after. Are people happy for me to
update those versions to later releases?
You should modify the subpage for the release you're working on --
see e.g. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11.2
Thanks,
- Chris.
--
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8:31 a.m.
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On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Chris Ball wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 23 2011, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> I believe OOB is pulling activities and version information from here:
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1
>> Update the links to the latest version and on the next build you should get
>> the respective activity version.
>
> Thank you Reuben, that is what I was after. Are people happy for me to
> update those versions to later releases?
You should modify the subpage for the release you're working on --
see e.g. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11.2
In that case, the .ini should be altered:
[sugar_activity_group]
url=http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-os-builder/tree/examples/f14-arm....
8:36 a.m.
New subject: [OLPC Engineering] [Techteam] New F14-arm build os40 - Almost in sync with x86!
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 23 2011, Reuben K. Caron wrote:
> You should modify the subpage for the release you're working
on --
> see e.g. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11.2
In that case, the .ini should be altered:
[sugar_activity_group]
url=http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1
No. That string's just providing the base URL to use -- when o-o-b is
looking for activities, it will append the major/minor/release version
numbers to it.
- Chris.
--
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One Laptop Per Child
8:45 a.m.
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At this point (with my limited knowledge) I don't believe o-o-b uses the
Wiki at all. It just looks straight at activities.sugarlabs.org for the
latest experimental activities compatible with Sugar 0.92.
See the [sugarlabs_activities] section of
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-os-builder/tree/examples/f14-xo1....,
which the git changelog says currently is the initial 11.3.0 XO-1.5
configuration.
The 11.2.0 INI examples in the same directory have an example of a
[sugar_activity_group] section being used, but the 11.3.0 config does not
have one yet as it is not frozen.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Chris Ball <cjb(a)laptop.org> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 23 2011, Reuben K. Caron wrote:
>> You should modify the subpage for the release you're working on --
>> see e.g. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11.2
>
> In that case, the .ini should be altered:
>
> [sugar_activity_group]
> url=http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1
No. That string's just providing the base URL to use -- when o-o-b is
looking for activities, it will append the major/minor/release version
numbers to it.
- Chris.
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8:59 a.m.
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Hi,
On Tue, Aug 23 2011, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
At this point (with my limited knowledge) I don't believe o-o-b
uses
the Wiki at all. It just looks straight at activities.sugarlabs.org
for the latest experimental activities compatible with Sugar 0.92.
See the [sugarlabs_activities] section of http://dev.laptop.org/git/
projects/olpc-os-builder/tree/examples/f14-xo1.5.ini , which the git
changelog says currently is the initial 11.3.0 XO-1.5 configuration.
The 11.2.0 INI examples in the same directory have an example of a
[sugar_activity_group] section being used, but the 11.3.0 config does
not have one yet as it is not frozen.
Oh, you're right -- we only use the wiki page once we want manual control
of all of the activity versions. So "sugarlabs_activities" is used
during development, and "sugar_activity_group" is used when frozen.
So the question is "Since our config enables sugarlabs_activities, how
come we didn't get the latest versions of all of the activities?".
Peter, it looks like one of your commits changed this a few days ago.
See:
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-os-builder/commit/?h=f14-arm&...
Which removed the [sugarlabs_activities] config definitions from
examples/f14-arm.ini, even though it left the module itself enabled.
(Without those definitions, the sugarlabs_activities code isn't going
to do anything.)
Thanks,
- Chris.
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One Laptop Per Child
9:05 a.m.
New subject: [OLPC Engineering] [Techteam] New F14-arm build os40 - Almost in sync with x86!
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Chris Ball <cjb(a)laptop.org> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 23 2011, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
> At this point (with my limited knowledge) I don't believe o-o-b uses
> the Wiki at all. It just looks straight at activities.sugarlabs.org
> for the latest experimental activities compatible with Sugar 0.92.
>
> See the [sugarlabs_activities] section of http://dev.laptop.org/git/
> projects/olpc-os-builder/tree/examples/f14-xo1.5.ini , which the git
> changelog says currently is the initial 11.3.0 XO-1.5 configuration.
>
> The 11.2.0 INI examples in the same directory have an example of a
> [sugar_activity_group] section being used, but the 11.3.0 config does
> not have one yet as it is not frozen.
Oh, you're right -- we only use the wiki page once we want manual control
of all of the activity versions. So "sugarlabs_activities" is used
during development, and "sugar_activity_group" is used when frozen.
So the question is "Since our config enables sugarlabs_activities, how
come we didn't get the latest versions of all of the activities?".
Peter, it looks like one of your commits changed this a few days ago.
See:
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-os-builder/commit/?h=f14-arm&...
Which removed the [sugarlabs_activities] config definitions from
examples/f14-arm.ini, even though it left the module itself enabled.
(Without those definitions, the sugarlabs_activities code isn't going
to do anything.)
Thanks for all the information.
It was due to the request to "have the same list of Activities as
11.2", it seems i need to do some more so it pulls in the latest
versions of that list. I'll look at it this week so we can have it
fixed for the next build.
This is why SOPs are good. I think there was half a dozen or so
replies (both on list and IRC) as to what people though the procedure
was. If there was a group of OOB SOPs for both Stable and Dev releases
it would all be nicely documented somewhere central :-)
Peter
10:38 a.m.
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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This is why SOPs are good. I think there was half a dozen or so
replies (both on list and IRC) as to what people though the procedure
was. If there was a group of OOB SOPs for both Stable and Dev releases
it would all be nicely documented somewhere central :-)
Just to add what I mentioned on IRC, there is already quite extensive
documentation for the release process and details such as these:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process (and sub pages)
It is perhaps lacking in some details on this particular point (such
as the exact olpc-os-builder config lines needed to implement the
process as described), but if people read that, discussions such as
these would not veer so far off-course.
These difficulties are also temporary, Peter seems to have been thrown
various release manager tasks which he will not have to deal with once
the ARM work joins the 11.3.0 stream. This should be the priority; I
think it would be beneficial if we were to be more understanding that
ARM builds are currently not fully in sync. Once Peter has managed to
eliminate the remaining package differences, allowing him to join the
stream, many of these problems will be automatically resolved (through
updated packages, and through not duplicating release management
work). Providing Peter with less distractions so that he can focus on
the real issues would probably be beneficial.
I am not away, I am responsive to emails and IRC every day, and I am
working. I simply don't have as many hours available as normal for a
little while longer.
Daniel
8:47 a.m.
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On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Chris Ball wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 23 2011, Reuben K. Caron wrote:
>> You should modify the subpage for the release you're working on --
>> see e.g. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11.2
>
> In that case, the .ini should be altered:
>
> [sugar_activity_group]
> url=http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1
No. That string's just providing the base URL to use -- when o-o-b is
looking for activities, it will append the major/minor/release version
numbers to it.
Ah yes, clear from here:
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-os-builder/tree/modules/sugar_act...
Not clear from here:
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-os-builder/tree/modules/sugar_act...
Reuben
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