Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2013-10-07 16:00 - 17:35 UTC) (unofficial pre-meeting started at 15:20 UTC)
12:39 p.m.
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#fedora-meeting-1: fpc
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Meeting started by abadger1999 at 16:11:40 UTC. The full logs are
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Meeting summary
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* SCL Draft discussion (abadger1999, 16:11:50)
* approve the Retirement section of the SCL Draft (abadger1999,
16:42:23)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Toshio/SCL_Guidelines_(draft)#SCL_Ret...
(abadger1999, 16:42:32)
* retirement section of SCL draft approved (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0)
(abadger1999, 16:46:33)
* filesystem location (abadger1999, 16:47:07)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/packaging/2013-November/009728....
(abadger1999, 16:47:54)
* dots in version portion (abadger1999, 16:52:28)
* Agreed that the version portion of scl names must include dots.
(+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:00:35)
* #352 BLAS and LAPACK packaging (abadger1999, 17:01:27)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/352 (abadger1999,
17:01:32)
* deferred BLAS LAPACK discussion waiting on spot's input
(abadger1999, 17:04:29)
* #355 How to package noarch packages which require a binary
dependency which doesn't build on all archs? (abadger1999, 17:04:40)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/355 (abadger1999,
17:04:45)
* ACTION: abadger1999 to write a draft based on the nodejs strategy
that also accounts for BuildRequires (abadger1999, 17:17:03)
* #357 time-api prior to openJDK8 (abadger1999, 17:22:28)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/248 (abadger1999,
17:25:36)
* General Guideline allowing Reverse Bundling for backwards compat
will finish voting in ticket (+1:4, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999,
17:39:47)
* Open Floor (abadger1999, 17:40:40)
Meeting ended at 18:36:19 UTC.
Action Items
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* abadger1999 to write a draft based on the nodejs strategy that also
accounts for BuildRequires
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* abadger1999
* abadger1999 to write a draft based on the nodejs strategy that also
accounts for BuildRequires
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1:45 a.m.
On 07/11/13 19:39, James Antill wrote:
* dots in version portion (abadger1999, 16:52:28)
* Agreed that the version portion of scl names must include dots.
(+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:00:35)
I'm sure I mentioned dots will
surely will be a problem for rpm, yum,
dnf, createrepo or something else in this area.
That's probably the reason for guidelines about Compat packages:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines?rd=Packaging/Na...
Marcela
6:47 a.m.
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:45:33 +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
On 07/11/13 19:39, James Antill wrote:
> * dots in version portion (abadger1999, 16:52:28)
> * Agreed that the version portion of scl names must include dots.
> (+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:00:35)
I'm sure I mentioned dots will surely will be a problem for rpm, yum,
dnf, createrepo or something else in this area.
Not "surely", but extra dots and dashes have been a problem several years ago.
If parsing a full NEVR backwards, it is not a problem, because there can only be
two '-' characters in -%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}.rpm and that makes it
possible to determine %{name} without getting confused by number of dots and dashes.
That's probably the reason for guidelines about Compat packages:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines?rd=Packaging/Na...
It says "optionally removing the dot from the version".
Also:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Separators
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| Version numbers used in compat libraries do not need to omit
| the dot '.' or change it into a dash '-'.
# rpm -qa --qf %{name}\\n|grep \\.
tomcat-servlet-3.0-api
java-1.7.0-openjdk-headless
java-1.7.0-openjdk
1:53 p.m.
On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 08:45 +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
On 07/11/13 19:39, James Antill wrote:
> * dots in version portion (abadger1999, 16:52:28)
> * Agreed that the version portion of scl names must include dots.
> (+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:00:35)
I'm sure I mentioned dots will surely will be a problem for rpm, yum,
dnf, createrepo or something else in this area.
AFAIK none of our tools have problems with '.' in any part of NVRA, and
hopefully I'd know ;).
If you know of someone I should ping, or something I should check
though ... feel free to let me know, or reply.
That's probably the reason for guidelines about Compat packages:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines?rd=Packaging/Na...
That says "optionally", and I'm not sure of the history behind
seemingly encouraging openssl096b over openssl0.9.6b. Any older FPC
members know?
Maybe it was the assumption that there would be _very few_ compat.
packages like this, and users wouldn't look at them directly anyway, so
having something without dots in it is somehow a win.
However there are also a lot of packages with them:
% repoquery -C --qf '%{name}' -a | fgrep . | wc -l
528
...and the above openssl packages was exactly the kind of case we wanted
dots to be used for with SCLs, because assuming a significant number of
SCLs are going to be produced nobody wants users to have to guess what
foo19512 vs foo19611 means.
3:31 p.m.
On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 21:16 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:53:49 -0500, James Antill wrote:
> % repoquery -C --qf '%{name}' -a | fgrep . | wc -l
> 528
So many?
# repoquery --qf '%{name}' -a | fgrep . | sort | uniq | wc -l
119
Yeh, I get about that for Fedora too.
The main contributor to my number is rpmfusion kmods like:
kmod-ndiswrapper-3.10.12-100.fc18.x86_64-0:1.58-3.fc18.2.x86_64
kmod-ndiswrapper-3.10.13-101.fc18.x86_64-0:1.58-3.fc18.3.x86_64
...which have "unique" names.
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