server August 2023

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Proposal: Changes to Fedora Server default partitioning scheme
by Stephen Gallagher 13 Dec '24

13 Dec '24

The following proposal comes out of the discussion at this weeks Server SIG meeting[1] Fedora Server will have: * / (root) will be a minimum of 2 GiB and a maximum of 15 GiB * SWAP will continue to be calculated automatically based on available RAM on the system * All unused space will be assigned to a volume group and available to be assigned to new partitions or extend existing partitions. * Anaconda will continue to handle the appropriate EFI and /boot settings We also discussed during the meeting whether we should have a separate /var partition by default, but the general sense was that we might be better served by developing a mechanism to allow partitions to be split from existing mount points, which would be more flexible going forward. As we did not have quorum in the meeting by the point we got to this proposal, I'm taking it to the list for discussion and votes. For the record, the current behavior of the partitioning scheme is for / to be given up to 50 GiB of space and then any remaining space after that is assigned to a separate /home partition. [1] https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-03-15/serversig.201…

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JEE Development Environment question
by John W. Himpel 23 Aug '23

23 Aug '23

All, The Fedora Server WG has developed an ansible role to deploy a standalone Wildfly Server. To test the deployment for accuracy, I thought I would run one of the quickstarts for Wildfly. I know that I can develop and deploy the quickstarts from a non-gui environment. However, I suspect many JEE developers use some sort of GUI for development. The Wildfly pages suggest using either JBoss Developer Studio (JBDS) or Elcipe with JBoss Tools and m2eclipse. Do anyone have any opinions on which IDE works better and/or is easier to use? Since Java packaging for Fedora has been reduced to a bare minimum, do you: 1) Download your IDE and install via tar 2) Use someone's COPR to install your IDE 3) Use someone's flatpak to install your IDE

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For our discussion today
by Peter Boy 21 Aug '23

21 Aug '23

Re. Topic 2. F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC ========================================================= Interim status of our "Fedora Server on SBC" project. 1. We we need to complete our reference list of SBC at https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-on-sbc/refere… We had already compiled which models we have available here. Not so much, but some. 2. I did a literature review on the use of SBCs or alternatively mini PCs. The result: For years a) low power consumption (combinded with low heat generation/passive cooling) b) sufficient performance (for selected everyday tasks) c) lower price as an advantage. Potential disadvantages: - Not upgradeable and retrofittable. - Lower performance - Unsuitable as a desktop or for applications that require fast response times/low latency. Re a) and b): There is hardly any empirical data, more a feeling based on the data sheet, the statements refer to Raspberry PI, not to the more powerful alternatives. Interesting here: __Mini PC vs Raspberry Pi – Which Is The Better Value?__ (https://www.techaddressed.com/reviews/mini-pc-better-value-raspberry-pi/) And Power consumption of Raspberry Pi 4 versus Intel J4105 system (https://uni.hi.is/helmut/2021/06/07/power-consumption-of-raspberry-pi-4-ver…) These are the only numerical facts I could find so far. Task: Prepare tests we can apply to our refences device list Re c) No data either, we need a brief market analyses and comparison. 3.) We determined some suiotabe server tasks: - Cluster monitoring - Backup service - Web proxy, e.g. securing Cockpit access - VPN endpoint We must start implementation. Best Peter -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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Nginx front end to Wildfly
by John W. Himpel 19 Aug '23

19 Aug '23

All, The Fedora Server Working Group wishes Wildfly to be accessed via port 80 instead of 8080 (as configured in the src tarball). Since Wildfly runs as a non-privileged user (non-root), it cannot open port 80. I am investigating using nginx as a reverse proxy to redirect port 80 input traffic to port 8080 for wildfly on the same host. My nginx knowledge is quite sparse. The following is my /etc/nginx/nginx.conf file: include /etc/nginx/conf.d/*.conf; server { listen 80; listen [::]:80; server_name sisyphos.resdigita.eu; root /usr/share/nginx/html; location / { proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; proxy_set_header Host $http_host; proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr; proxy_pass "http://78.46.110.40:8080"; } # Load configuration files for the default server block. include /etc/nginx/default.d/*.conf; error_page 404 /404.html; location = /404.html { } error_page 500 502 503 504 /50x.html; location = /50x.html { } } nmap shows ports 8080 open on the server and connected to wildfly. It also shows port 80 open and connected to nginx. Yet I get the following errors: 2023/08/18 23:16:34 [crit] 104773#104773: *7 connect() to 78.46.110.40:8080 failed (13: Permission denied) while connecting to upstream, client: 47.50.223.174, server: sisyphos.resdigita.eu, request: "GET / HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://78.46.110.40:8080/", host: "sisyphos.resdigita.eu" 2023/08/18 23:16:34 [crit] 104773#104773: *7 connect() to 78.46.110.40:8080 failed (13: Permission denied) while connecting to upstream, client: 47.50.223.174, server: sisyphos.resdigita.eu, request: "GET /nginx-logo.png HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://78.46.110.40:8080/nginx-logo.png", host: "sisyphos.resdigita.eu", referrer: "http://sisyphos.resdigita.eu/" 2023/08/18 23:16:35 [crit] 104773#104773: *7 connect() to 78.46.110.40:8080 failed (13: Permission denied) while connecting to upstream, client: 47.50.223.174, server: sisyphos.resdigita.eu, request: "GET / HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://78.46.110.40:8080/", host: "sisyphos.resdigita.eu" 2023/08/18 23:16:36 [crit] 104773#104773: *7 connect() to 78.46.110.40:8080 failed (13: Permission denied) while connecting to upstream, client: 47.50.223.174, server: sisyphos.resdigita.eu, request: "GET /nginx-logo.png HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://78.46.110.40:8080/nginx-logo.png", host: "sisyphos.resdigita.eu", referrer: "http://sisyphos.resdigita.eu/" 2023/08/18 23:24:08 [crit] 104772#104772: *13 connect() to 78.46.110.40:8080 failed (13: Permission denied) while connecting to upstream, client: 107.170.247.28, server: sisyphos.resdigita.eu, request: "GET /manager/text/list HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://78.46.110.40:8080/manager/text/list", host: "78.46.110.40" 2023/08/18 23:25:30 [crit] 104772#104772: *15 connect() to 78.46.110.40:8080 failed (13: Permission denied) while connecting to upstream, client: 31.7.60.114, server: sisyphos.resdigita.eu, request: "GET / HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://78.46.110.40:8080/", host: "78.46.110.40:80", referrer: "http://78.46.110.40:80/left.html" Any suggestions on fixing this problem would be greatly appreciated. John

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Re: [fedora-arm] Khadas vim 4 Support?
by Peter Boy 18 Aug '23

18 Aug '23

> Am 18.08.2023 um 21:09 schrieb Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com>: > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 4:32 PM Peter Boy <pboy(a)uni-bremen.de> wrote: >> >> >> I checked th rk3588 (Radxa rock Pi 5 a&b, FriendlyElec Nanopc-T6) as an alternative. They seem to be supported (at least Rock Pi 5) (https://github.com/u-boot/u-boot/blob/master/doc/board/rockchip/rockchip.rst) but other posts say it’s currently missing some important features. Would this probably be something for the „near future“ in Fedora (i.e. f40 or so) or is that not at all foreseeable at present? > > The rk3588 is still a bit early, I had a quick check the other day and > it was basically mmc/network upstream, there's patches out for things > like usb/pcie and other pieces but that won't be in place for F-39 at > least, which will be shipping with the 6.5.x kernel. > > What's your budget so I can suggest something in the right range. Thanks for the offering! Basically I’m looking for a board for Fedora Server alternatively to RK3399 boards (I have a Radxa Pi4, a Pine RockPro, and a LibreComputer ROC-rk3399-PC, the latter unfortunately dead at the moment). It’s part of a project we discussed shortly some weeks ago. We want to ask ARM Sig for advice, but evaluate a bit beforehand, to start not too cluelessly in a discussion. I had a talk at Flock about it (https://pboy.fedorapeople.org/Flock2023-Server-talk.pdf, last slide). Basically we are looking for a „productive“ use case of the Fedora Server SBC version, which makes use of specific properties of SBCs and is sufficiently different from the use in the IoT area. So we came to selection criteria as 4gb RAM, fast storage (eMMC or NVMe), sturdy case, stackable. (See https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-on-sbc/refere…) Regarding the use case we think of the need for 24/7 availability, where power consumption is an issue, and non-interactive, where latency or lagging turn-around time is not an issue. Some ideas are cluster monitoring (Nagios etc), continuous Backup, file service, VPN, and something like that. And at the end maybe a home lab or freelancer’s power efficient server appliance. That’s the general idea. The budget is a bit flexibel, around 120 - 150€ for the board and additional 30-40 € for case, NVMe extension, cooling, etc. If it becomes more expensive, it will, in addition to other criteria, compete economically with x86 mini PCs. It’s a discussion like this: https://www.techaddressed.com/reviews/mini-pc-better-value-raspberry-pi/ and this: https://uni.hi.is/helmut/2021/06/07/power-consumption-of-raspberry-pi-4-ver… So, the bottom line is that I’m looking for combination(s) of sufficiently capable SBC hardware and Fedora Server applications, which bring the special potential of ARM SBCs fully to bear - as 'serious’ productive server use, not for experimentation, development, education or IoT. Sorry for the long text. It’s an as short as I could description of our project. And hopefully it’s not too boring. I am currently writing a more detailed text about our project, findings, and practical suggestions. Thanks for your advice and suggestions (and patience). Peter -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Fedora Server WG
by pboy＠fedoraproject.org 16 Aug '23

16 Aug '23

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Fedora Server WG on 2023-08-16 from 17:00:00 to 18:00:00 UTC At fedora-meeting(a)irc.libera.chat The meeting will be about: Standing meeting of the Fedora Server Edition Working Group. More information available at: [https://pagure.io/fedora-server/report/Meeting](https://pagure.io/fedora-se… Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10517/

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Flock 2023
by Peter Boy 15 Aug '23

15 Aug '23

Hi, I’m back from Flock now and arrived at my home office. Flock 2023 was a really great experience for me. It was tremendously invigorating to meet in person many of those I only knew via email or chat. And to get a compact overview of the activities of other projects. I understand that Flock will be held again next year, possibly in the USA. Would be great if we could have some kind of server hackfest there. For your information, I have uploaded the slides of my talk on a fedorapeople homepage (https://pboy.fedorapeople.org/Flock2023-Server-talk.pdf) Nothing groundbreaking new, but what we have been discussing for the last months. See you next Wednesday at out meeting. Peter -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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Call for agenda Items on 2023-08-16 17:00 ==UTC== meeting
by Peter Boy 14 Aug '23

14 Aug '23

The upcoming meeting will be held on =========================================================== Fedora Server IRC meeting Wednesday, Aug 16 17:00 ==UTC== irc.libera.chat #fedora-meeting =========================================================== Please, check your local time using date -d '2023-08-16 17:00UTC' ==== Agenda ==== #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/report/Meeting To be able to discuss all topics on the agenda and to prevent us from repeatedly putting off topics that have not been dealt with, we should set time limits for the individual items on the agenda. If we need more time, we should continue on the mailing list. 1. === Follow up actions === 2. === 39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC === 30 mins max link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/108 Objective here. Deciding about the next steps I suppose it is: Complete the device list at #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-on-sbc/refere… and fill those devices one of us posses or has access to. The goal is to assess each device and provide some additional information on capabilities and installation. I did that very briefly for the Radxa Pi4 and the Pine64 RockPro64. We should also systematize this additional information somewhat. Next step is the planning text folled by 3 or more example installations. 3. === Work Project: Using Ansible to install and configure Wildfly === 20 mins max #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/60 Goal: - Deciding about the next steps 4. === Fedora release 39 test planning === Change Set: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/39/ChangeSet Overview: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/releases/f39/ No issue created yet. With the F39 branch completed, we should plan testing the F39 release. Specifically we have to determine, whether one of the changes may affect Server so we should specifically watch. 5. === F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment === #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/110 Topics to discuss: How to collect information - The feedback from the community so far #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.or… 6. === Open floor === For any additions or changes, please reply to this email. For an overview about current tasks look at: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/boards/Works%20in%20progress -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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Wednesday, Meeting tomorrow, Aug. 2nf
by Peter Boy 04 Aug '23

04 Aug '23

Hi Folks, A mail from eseyman reminded me on our meeting, as well as the invitation mail. Problem is, I’m in Cork and participating Flocks. So I guess, I can’t make for the meeting tomorrow. So maybe eseyman, could you take the chair again? Items to discuss are the Ansivble/Wildfly project and our SBC project. Regarding the latter is is an annotation to the installation process of the respective board, and it is about testing the various models. Or we cancel the meeting and try to make progress on the mailing list next week. And sorry about the meeting date. I was so busy with FLOCK. Best Peter -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Fedora Server WG
by pboy＠fedoraproject.org 01 Aug '23

01 Aug '23

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Fedora Server WG on 2023-08-02 from 17:00:00 to 18:00:00 UTC At fedora-meeting(a)irc.libera.chat The meeting will be about: Standing meeting of the Fedora Server Edition Working Group. More information available at: [https://pagure.io/fedora-server/report/Meeting](https://pagure.io/fedora-se… Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10517/

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