Hi John,

If you have a look at the java-devel list at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/java-devel@lists.fedoraproject... you will notice that your message didn’t arrive there. The same happened to me some weeks ago when I wanted to ask for the appropriate location for Wildfly installation from Third-Party binary. I got no error message and the list is obviously not deactivated.

I discussed the issue with nirik and he asked me to try again and then open an infra ticket with all die details of the mail (I think the complete header) so that they can check what happened.

Please, could you open a ticket with your mail details. I didn’t manage so far to do that (mea culpa).

And as far as I know, many switched to flatpack to install IDE and other Java client software. The experience is mixed, according to the reports. Sometimes it works, sometimes it breaks down. The quality is in any case so far obviously not as good as with RPMs. On the server side we have RPMs.

And I prefer to install from the projects binary instead of trusting some third party repository.

Best Peter

Am 22.08.2023 um 17:54 schrieb John W. Himpel john@jlhimpel.net:

All,

The Fedora Server WG has developed an ansible role to deploy a standalone Wildfly Server. To test the deployment for accuracy, I thought I would run one of the quickstarts for Wildfly. I know that I can develop and deploy the quickstarts from a non-gui environment. However, I suspect many JEE developers use some sort of GUI for development.

The Wildfly pages suggest using either JBoss Developer Studio (JBDS) or Elcipe with JBoss Tools and m2eclipse.

Do anyone have any opinions on which IDE works better and/or is easier to use?

Since Java packaging for Fedora has been reduced to a bare minimum, do you:

1. Download your IDE and install via tar
2. Use someone's COPR to install your IDE
3. Use someone's flatpak to install your IDE

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Wildfly is good.

Eclipse. If you are a beginner it is not a very good IDE for JEE development because it is rather not up to date, at any given moment from the JEE timelines and you are reduced to figuring out why your stuff doesn't work. However, if you are an experienced JEE person and you are out there on the lists and you understand the dependencies and have experience dealing with very complex JEE deps, it is OK because most of the time you can get around the lag in Eclipse support and fix it yourself. (i.e. We are in the middle of the great Jakarta/Sun migration and so on and so forth so it is important your IDE is up to date.)

Intellij. Not mentioned and I wonder why as it is a very good JEE environment for both the pro and the beginner and is usually up to date and has decent support if something is broken. Maybe due to the fact it is a subscription. If you are a beginner and need someone to hold your hand so you can write code, and not fight with the IDE most of the time, you might want to check it out.

I never used the other tools, and I suspect there is some of you here divorced from the GUI IDE development and are sticking with Maven or what not and Emacs. Nothing wrong with that. :-) I got burned on a project after Eclipse ate it and was a command line guy for many years. Then I bought Intellij and started migrating back to Eclipse several years later. I now use both.

I use a TARBALL for my Intellij installations. RPM for Eclipse as I am on obviously a Fedora desktop.

COPR don't know and FLATPAK don't you dare. :-)

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 8:55 AM John W. Himpel john@jlhimpel.net wrote:

All,

The Fedora Server WG has developed an ansible role to deploy a standalone Wildfly Server. To test the deployment for accuracy, I thought I would run one of the quickstarts for Wildfly. I know that I can develop and deploy the quickstarts from a non-gui environment. However, I suspect many JEE developers use some sort of GUI for development.

The Wildfly pages suggest using either JBoss Developer Studio (JBDS) or Elcipe with JBoss Tools and m2eclipse.

Do anyone have any opinions on which IDE works better and/or is easier to use?

Since Java packaging for Fedora has been reduced to a bare minimum, do you:

1. Download your IDE and install via tar
2. Use someone's COPR to install your IDE
3. Use someone's flatpak to install your IDE

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On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 05:09:17PM -0500, John W. Himpel wrote:

All,

A cross-posting to server@lists.fedoraproject.org and java-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org was accepted by the server list, but not by the java-devel list.

I opened an issue (#11486) for fedora-infrastructure on fedora pagure. I included all of the headers from my local copy of the email.

Kevin did some research and saw the email was discarded but did not find the cause. The issue is still open but I don't know if anything subsequent will happen.

Yes, it's still open. I am hoping I can think of something further to check or get some other folks to look and find something I missed. ;)

If others are seeing the same thing, please open an issue. The more reports, the higher the priority.

Thats... not really how it works. But if you are seeing issues, please add a comment and any information you can to the existing ticket.

Thanks

kevin