On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Paul W. Frields
<stickster@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:10:20PM +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Paul W. Frields <[1]stickster@gmail.com>
> [3]http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/desktop/
>
> Looks like ~840-850 MB right now for the desktop spin as-is.
>
> Well simply substituting fedora-mini-base.ks for the fedora-live-base.ks
> reduced that to 743 Mb based on today's rawhide in a completely un
> scientific test (shunting it through one of my build VMs and eyeballing
> the output after a couple of drinks). And looking through the build logs
> at random packages I don't recognise (yes, I'm that sad.... I can know
> basically what goes into a moblin or soas build and can see by eye when
> the deps bloat... sad... very sad!).
>
> I'm not sure why a desktop Live Media spin requires things like a
> "JavaScript implementation written in Java",
Doesn't ring a bell, but clutter-related maybe?
Pulled in by the java stack it seems (I would know clutter deps via moblin :).
> the ability to master and write CDs and DVDs (aren't we booting
> from the CD drive? and alot of devices don't even come with
> them),
It might be a Live USB... and remember that people install from this
media to a hard disk, and probably want that function available
afterward.
OK, fair enough.
> "support for making real-mode x86 calls with an emulated x86
> processor." (we support x86 emulation on the desktop live cd..?
> Java possibly) , a "Documentation generator for Java source code"
> (me thinks someone needs to bother the java guys about their deps
> because there's a lot here..... good thing they don't support
> java on the XO.... yet :-D ) and that doesn't even count the 50
> meg that perl adds :-)
>
> Also not sure why we ship apache, but I can almost forgive the sshd
> service :-)
gnome-user-share -- which is a DAV share using ~/Public by default
when turned on.
> I'll try to get time to look at some of the deps in the desktop spin and
> see if we can't get that down again by F-13 final. There looks to be some
> reasonably easy targets there. Although java looks like it could (should)
> be encouraged to split out its dependencies.
I think the Java dependency issue won't be news, and I don't recall
anyone saying it can't be solved. Some of the other dependencies from
above may be important; the desktop@ list or someone on the GIMPNet
#fedora-desktop channel will be able to tell you[1].
Yea, I don't really get the ability to use irc much as its blocked via work, and generally forget to sign on. I'm sure alot are perfectly valid, but we about 13% difference with the mini-base.ks and if we can get rid of perl (which is used by a syslinux tool within anaconda for the creation of hybrid isos AFICT - further investigations this week and then a bug report) we'd be back below 700 meg so the issue isn't surmountable.
Peter
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[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Desktop#Communication