On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
See attached.
[Assuming you've read and understood the patch]
I'm doing a compose now of the new fedora-live-desktop.ks, which has no minimizations for size. The diff here turns out to be relatively small. A lot of random Unix utilities, the vast majority of which we should basically kick out in favor of PackageKit-command-not-found, but not this cycle.
But we need to go over this diff, there are a few things that stand out:
+desktop-backgrounds-basic
Can someone familiar with backgrounds fill me in?
+smartmontools
Since this is another send-mail-to-root-that's-never-seen subsystem, I think we should kick this out of @base and into @traditional-unix-server. But since that comps group doesn't exist, for now I will explicitly exclude it in -desktop.ks.
+specspo
Is this maintained/useful?
+hplip
Someone who knows about printing; is this included in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation ?
+krb5-auth-dialog
This should really only be running if you actually have a kerberos ticket. Needs a patch for gnome-session. I'll look at this.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
See attached.
[Assuming you've read and understood the patch]
I'm doing a compose now of the new fedora-live-desktop.ks, which has no minimizations for size. The diff here turns out to be relatively small. A lot of random Unix utilities, the vast majority of which we should basically kick out in favor of PackageKit-command-not-found, but not this cycle.
Update: New size is:
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 946864128 2010-03-23 11:02 livecd-fedora-live-desktop-201003231038.iso
Which doesn't leave a lot of room for a persistent overlay on a 1GB USB key. I'll dive into this. It's probably worth staying under 900MB.
I'm also working on a desktop image that fits in a CD, with much more extreme minimization.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:17:54 -0400, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
Update: New size is:
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 946864128 2010-03-23 11:02 livecd-fedora-live-desktop-201003231038.iso
Which doesn't leave a lot of room for a persistent overlay on a 1GB USB key. I'll dive into this. It's probably worth staying under 900MB.
Note this increase in size may have cascading affects on other spins putting them over their target sizes. Whatever you do with this, it would be nice for it to happen very soon so that other people have time to make any fixes needed to get their spins under size again before beta.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:17:54 -0400, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
Update: New size is:
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 946864128 2010-03-23 11:02 livecd-fedora-live-desktop-201003231038.iso
Which doesn't leave a lot of room for a persistent overlay on a 1GB USB key. I'll dive into this. It's probably worth staying under 900MB.
Note this increase in size may have cascading affects on other spins putting them over their target sizes. Whatever you do with this, it would be nice for it to happen very soon so that other people have time to make any fixes needed to get their spins under size again before beta.
Actually fedora-live-base.ks is unchanged, which is a bug. I'll refactor this so that the minimization of live-base.ks is also split off from the fundamentals of a live OS.
I have no plans to affect other spins, ultimately.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
O Actually fedora-live-base.ks is unchanged, which is a bug. I'll refactor this so that the minimization of live-base.ks is also split off from the fundamentals of a live OS.
I have no plans to affect other spins, ultimately.
I moved this to -devel because it has comps changes, and because really, -devel needs more patches.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:10:32 -0400, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
Actually fedora-live-base.ks is unchanged, which is a bug. I'll refactor this so that the minimization of live-base.ks is also split off from the fundamentals of a live OS.
I have no plans to affect other spins, ultimately.
Some spins (such as Games) base off desktop, not base. I have a little slack so it might not end up being a problem. I just don't want to have the problem show up right before the beta announcement and not have time to fix it.
Colin Walters (walters@verbum.org) said:
+smartmontools
Since this is another send-mail-to-root-that's-never-seen subsystem, I think we should kick this out of @base and into @traditional-unix-server. But since that comps group doesn't exist, for now I will explicitly exclude it in -desktop.ks.
GDU is doing these sorts of notifications for the desktop, right?
+specspo
Is this maintained/useful?
No, and not really, in order.
+hplip
Someone who knows about printing; is this included in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation ?
According to the maintainer, no. hplip contains fax support, command line tools, and other enhancements. The drivers themselves are in hpijs, which is handled by the automatic print driver installation.
+acpid
This is pointless on GNOME/KDE desktops.
+samba-client
Is this really needed in the desktop with gvfs/gnome-vfs SMB support?
+system-config-boot +system-config-language +system-config-lvm +system-config-network +system-config-services
boot, network, and lvm can likely be removed.
Bill
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:39:50AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Colin Walters (walters@verbum.org) said:
+hplip
Someone who knows about printing; is this included in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation ?
According to the maintainer, no. hplip contains fax support, command line tools, and other enhancements. The drivers themselves are in hpijs, which is handled by the automatic print driver installation.
Are there ways to handle configuring HP wifi printers other than hp-wificonfig in that package?
On 03/23/2010 03:45 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
See attached.
I think the non-cd.ks (fedora-live-desktop.ks) is supposed to be called fedora-livedvd-desktop.ks?
Could you please also update the Makefile.am?
-- Jeroen
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
On 03/23/2010 03:45 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
See attached.
I think the non-cd.ks (fedora-live-desktop.ks) is supposed to be called fedora-livedvd-desktop.ks?
Well I don't like the "dvd" terminology because then it gets really confusing with the Standalone Anaconda DVD. I settled on just "live".
However I've renamed fedora-live-desktop-cd.ks back to fedora-livecd-desktop.ks which actually makes things less confusing.
Basically, now:
fedora-live-desktop.ks - Default desktop image, currently targeting < 1G fedora-livecd-desktop.ks - At least Firefox, Anaconda, Palimpsest, then other things as we can fit them. Turning an install of this into default desktop is now simply "yum install @gnome-desktop".
Could you please also update the Makefile.am?
Done, thanks!
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:29:53 -0400 Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
...snip...
Basically, now:
fedora-live-desktop.ks - Default desktop image, currently targeting < 1G fedora-livecd-desktop.ks - At least Firefox, Anaconda, Palimpsest, then other things as we can fit them. Turning an install of this into default desktop is now simply "yum install @gnome-desktop".
So, there is a CD sized _and_ a 1GB USB Sized version now?
Are both of these going to be composed/shipped by re-eng?
Are we going to update release notes that there are both available? Which one should websites point people to in preference?
What is not on the CD sized version?
kevin
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi kevin@scrye.com wrote:
So, there is a CD sized _and_ a 1GB USB Sized version now?
Yes.
Are both of these going to be composed/shipped by re-eng?
If we're composing N different spins already... But I'm welcome to feedback from rel-eng here.
Are we going to update release notes that there are both available?
We should but I need to think about the messaging here; I'm leaning towards removing a few more apps and pushing it farther towards "recovery/minimal live firefox+anaconda+palimpsest".
Which one should websites point people to in preference?
The 1GB image, or actually, web sites should be pointing people to an "Install Fedora" web page, which explains that e.g. if you're on Windows, you should actually be downloading the liveusb-creator app which will in turn download the image, etc.
What is not on the CD sized version?
Good question. The answer is (currently):
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 17:31 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
If we're composing N different spins already... But I'm welcome to feedback from rel-eng here.
I'd rather we didn't compose the CD sized one in addition to the 1G one.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 17:31 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
If we're composing N different spins already... But I'm welcome to feedback from rel-eng here.
I'd rather we didn't compose the CD sized one in addition to the 1G one.
Ok. What I *don't* want however is people saying "oh if you need a CD you can use this spin..." because the desktop can work just as well for that.
On 03/25/2010 03:20 AM, Colin Walters wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 17:31 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
If we're composing N different spins already... But I'm welcome to feedback from rel-eng here.
I'd rather we didn't compose the CD sized one in addition to the 1G one.
Ok. What I *don't* want however is people saying "oh if you need a CD you can use this spin..." because the desktop can work just as well for that.
And lots of people will stop by #fedora and ask for CD's, or ask webmaster@, or do the users@lists thing, not to mention fedoraforums.org.
Why not let the people decide that are also on the receiving end of these questions? (neither of you as far as I can check?).
-- Jeroen