Hi,

--- On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com wrote: | No, we cannot, this is on rel-eng for the spin and websites for the | spins page. I have opened a ticket at | https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4977 --

The nightly builds did create an .iso after removal of gwave from the comps f16 xml file.

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3471820

The web page still mentions about the spin and Chitlesh even though the spin doesn't exist!

SK

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Shakthi Kannan shakthimaan@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone from rel-eng please make the electronic-lab isos available at http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ ?

Dennis Gilmore (our regular release engineer) is taking some personal time off work this week. If your request is urgent, I can get someone else to push these. Otherwise, I'm sure Dennis will get to it next week.

-- Jared Smith Fedora Project Leader

Hi,

--- On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Jared K. Smith jsmith@fedoraproject.org wrote: | | If your request is urgent, I can get someone | | else to push these. | -- | | Yes, please. I'd appreciate it. --

Could you please provide an update on this?

SK

Hi,

--- On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com wrote: | So many things went wrong with this spin. | | It was broken for months so I | cannot understand why it suddenly is so urgent. --

A positive reply would have been to give constructive feedback, and provide suggestions for improvement.

Since Jared said on the 21 that he will be able to release the isos, I asked him for an update. Thanksgiving is coming up as well, so I expect people to go on vacation soon. Hence, my query.

SK

Hi,

--- On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com wrote: | I think I did that: I participated in testing the spin and files bugs | for the problems I found. The missing icon in urxvt's menu entry was | fixed, but the broken electronics-menu was not, even though I tested the | workaround and confirmed it works. I also filed a but against the | gnome-menus package that causes electronics-menus to break and provided | a patch upstream. What more do you expect? --

I had actually asked for the things to be tested _before_ the release process.

--- | As the spins maintainer I need to ensure that all spins meet the release | criteria, but I cannot test all the spins. I need more people to help me | and if nobody cares for a spin for several months, I don't think this | spin deserves to be released. --

I still don't know how the .iso was missed during the release even after it was approved:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Spins

I just want to make sure that this doesn't happen to other spins in the future. But, if you don't want to discuss it, I won't.

--- | If you want Jared to do this please contact him directly and not | through the list, | but I fail to see how something can be urgent now if | nobody cared to do it for months. --

Since, the communication has been on the list, I am just continuing to follow it up. With due respect to the patience of the list members, I will stop here.

Thanks for your feedback and replies,

SK

Am Mittwoch, den 23.11.2011, 17:50 +0530 schrieb Shakthi Kannan:

Hi,

--- On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com wrote: | I think I did that: I participated in testing the spin and files bugs | for the problems I found. The missing icon in urxvt's menu entry was | fixed, but the broken electronics-menu was not, even though I tested the | workaround and confirmed it works. I also filed a but against the | gnome-menus package that causes electronics-menus to break and provided | a patch upstream. What more do you expect? --

I had actually asked for the things to be tested _before_ the release process.

Let me rephrase a famous saying from John F. Kennedy: "Ask not what others have tested for you but ask yourself what you have been testing for others."

And if there was nobody testing for others or nobody to fix bugs for months, then a spin should not be released. I'm sorry if it sound harsh, but it's really that simple.

---

| As the spins maintainer I need to ensure that all spins meet the release | criteria, but I cannot test all the spins. I need more people to help me | and if nobody cares for a spin for several months, I don't think this | spin deserves to be released. --

I still don't know how the .iso was missed during the release even after it was approved:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Spins

I just want to make sure that this doesn't happen to other spins in the future. But, if you don't want to discuss it, I won't.

It's not that I don't want to discuss this but that I doubt that we can avoid it. Creating spins is still a manual process and humans fail from time to time.

Regards, Christoph