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Re: no ... *really* ... any ETA for updated beta?
by Jef Spaleta 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Féliciano Matias >I don't blame RedHat for not respecting the initial scheduler. I blame >RedHat for not fully keeping the promise to open RHLP process. And I'm pretty sure...the "promise" to have a fully open process wasn't meant for THIS beta cycle. THIS beta cycle is still pretty much the same tradition beta process....yes lets blame red hat for stating an intent to move to a more open process in the FUTURE. And let's also blame them for not just deciding on their own all the details of what that open process should look like before stating their intent. You just don't get it....the opening up isn't just going to happen with a snap of someone's fingers....there is an on-going internal process inside red hat to make it possible to have the 'right' open process in the future....the general community really doesn't need a blow by blow of what that means right now...leave something interesting to research for the author of 'Red Hat: a historical perspective of the most influential technology company of the 21st century, and savior of the human race from the alien invasion of 2073' And I'm pretty sure you've missed the point of what a more open community project will mean...in the future....it means incorporating community members into the actually development process...people in charge of maintaining packages and doing bugzilla work and working on mundane stuff like install and task based help documentation . Having a daily update as to when the next beta isoset is coming out, for the rest of us spectators who arent directly involved in positions of responsibility for rhl components....isn't really the point of what opening up the process means. Even, in the future, when this development process IS more open, and community members are in positions of responsibility for how rhl is being developed and maintained...whether or not people like myself know with great accuracy when the beta2 iso set is coming is still not going to be important. Now as a beta tester...i'm curious as to when i can expect the next iso...but i certainly don't need to know before its ready. Once outside package maintainers are inside the rhl process...in later releases/beta phases....there will be a need for those people to have reasonable estimates as a guideline for their own packaging work, if for example there are engineer goals to meet for each beta phase. We betatesters as spectators to that process, will most likely get access to that information too....but we still won't NEED it...and it certainly won't ever be a priority to hand that information to the general community in easily digestable ways...thats a waste of effort..until we have community members in place to be responsible for exactly that sort of general information updating. In the future, there will certainly be room in the redhat eco-system for something like a community editted equivalent to mozillazine to keep the general community abreast of beta development issues. But making bold authoritative estimates in a general way to people who aren't directly responsible for parts of the development effort just succeeds in inspiring the unfortunate and short-sighted usage of words like "shame" "blame" and "promise" when dates start slipping. -jef"pam_dotfile is actually sort of useful"spaleta

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New up2date broken
by Pat Gunn 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Hey all, today I grabbed the latest up2date, and it appears to be unable to grab new packages. The version is 3.9.13-2, so I suggest you not upgrade to that particular version when it asks. Sample error: Fetching rpm headers... ######################################## Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... ######################################## curl-7.10.6-2.i386.rpm: ########################## Done. There was some sort of I/O error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/spool/up2date/curl-7.10.6-2.i386.rpm' --- Pat Gunn mod: csna, bmcm, bmco, cooa, cona, clpd comod: coom http://dachte.org "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." --Italian Proverb

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Unsatisfied dep: libcom_err.so.3
by Scott Bell 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

After upgrading to the latest in the severn-updates channel, I had one dependency unfilled -- libcom_err.so.3. This was required by my totem package so I removed that until the update was complete. Now, prior to the update that was provided by the kerberos packages but now it doesn't seem to be provided anymore. I'm assuming that it has been moved to another package that wasn't in my upgrade path, so I wonder if anyone can provide any insight on that. Thanks, - Scott

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OT: blaster-e, kimble.org, 127.0.0.1
by shrek-m＠gmx.de 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

hi, i am a little bit confused. i get always "127.0.0.1" with host, dig, nslookup for "kimble.org" $ host kimble.org <caching-nameserver_or_different_nameservers> kimble.org has address 127.0.0.1 do you get the same result? http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32blastere.html * The registry entry used has been changed to HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ Run\Windows Automation * The target for the Distributed Denial-of-Service attack has been changed to kimble.org * The internal message has been changed to "I dedicate this particular strain to me ANG3L - hope yer enjoying yerself and dont forget the promise for me B/DAY !!!!." -- shrek-m

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GNOME Panel has incorrect icon
by Kyle Maxwell 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Unless I'm mistaken, the Red Hat icon for the main menu in the panel has changed to a typewriter (?!) after doing the latest updates from RHN severn-updates channel. There's a shot available at http://xwell.org/archives/Screenshot-Gnome-panel.png. I'm using redhat-artwork-0.80-1 (not sure if it's another package). Simultaneously, many of the icons in the main menu have disappeared (Games, Graphics, Internet, Programming, Sound & Video, and System Tools). Also, I don't know if it's related, but the Log Out and Lock selections in the menu have disappeared; AFAICT I'll have to log out with <CTRL>-<BKSPC>. Is there something I'm missing (eg a config that needs to be edited)? Or should I file in Bugzilla? Or am I just behind the curve and this is already being worked out? -- Kyle Maxwell <kylem(a)xwell.org>

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Re: GNOME Panel has incorrect icon
by sean darcy 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

On Wednesday 27 Aug 2003 at 16:08:51, Alexander Larsson wrote: >.............. >Can you all try gnome-panel-2.3.7-1 when it reaches rawhide? Same result. I also tried rebuilding and reinstalling redhat-menus. Still just the gnome main menu. Matt Whiteley's trick does work, however. sean _________________________________________________________________ Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige using MSN Messenger http://entertainment.msn.com/imastar

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gphpedit
by Antti 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Has anyone compiled gphpedit for severn. It crashes so often that it can't be used. I'm not sure if some other package should also be updated/compiled.

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Re: no ... *really* ... any ETA for updated beta?
by Jef Spaleta 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

HoytDuff wrote: >BTW, if it matters, a final release date for next year in mid-August >would be great. Better ask for it to be the beginning of August...to account for a little date slippage from all the time mharris spends eating breakfast...stuff like that really adds up to significant amounts of wasted developer time when you consider how much addition time gets wasted when you include the associated cost of bathroom breaks that actually eating food requires. -jef"If Red Hat really cared about keeping to a published schedule they should implement a mandatory iv and catheter program as a developer productivity enhancement step"spaleta

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yum quit
by Thomas Dodd 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

After installing some updates from rawhide, yum quit. # yum check-update Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 22, in ? import yummain File "yummain.py", line 21, in ? File "clientStuff.py", line 25, in ? File "pkgaction.py", line 24, in ? File "rpmUtils.py", line 9, in ? File "urlgrabber.py", line 21, in ? File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 101, in ? import ftplib File "/usr/lib/python2.2/ftplib.py", line 68, in ? all_errors = (Error, socket.error, IOError, EOFError) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'error' If I remove socket.error from the all_errors, I get Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 22, in ? import yummain File "yummain.py", line 21, in ? File "clientStuff.py", line 25, in ? File "pkgaction.py", line 24, in ? File "rpmUtils.py", line 9, in ? File "urlgrabber.py", line 37, in ? File "keepalive.py", line 164, in ? AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'HTTPResponse' Since ftplib comes from python-2.2.3-3 which wasn't updated, I clueless. The relevant update was: quanta 6:3.1.3-1.i386 pango 1.2.5-1.1.i386 postgresql-libs 7.3.3-12.i386 newt 0.51.6-1.i386 net-tools 1.60-20.1.i386 openldap 2.1.22-5.i386 quota 1:3.06-11.i386 procps 2.0.13-8.i386 pan 1:0.14.1-1.i386 ntsysv 1.3.8-4.i386 nmap 2:3.30-1.i386 perl 3:5.8.1-90.rc4.2.i386 pygtk2 1.99.16-10.i386 octave 6:2.1.50-3.i386 nfs-utils 1.0.5-1.i386 nscd 2.3.2-78.i386 popt 1.8.1-0.30.i386 openssl 0.9.7a-17.i686 qt-devel 1:3.1.2-14.i386 nss_ldap 207-3.i386 ots 0.4.0-1.i386 qt-designer 1:3.1.2-14.i386 pygtk2-libglade 1.99.16-10.i386 net-snmp 5.0.8-9.1.i386 openmotif 2.2.2-16.1.i386 parted 1.6.3-24.i386 xterm 179-4.1.i386 pyorbit 1.99.6-1.i386 qt 1:3.1.2-14.i386 pam_smb 1.1.7-2.i386 patchutils 0.2.24-2.i386 openjade 1.3.2-6.i386 portmap 4.0-56.1.i386 pam_krb5 2.0.1-1.i386 pam 0.77-3.i386 nmap-frontend 2:3.30-1.i386 -Thomas

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A solution to the Galeon situation?
by Anthony Joseph Seward 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

I've been using galeon as my browser for a while and have gotten used to it's session features and smart bookmarks. I've tried to move to Mozilla, but can't import my bookmarks and it doesn't seem to have sessions. I've tried building Galeon 1.3, but it keeps crashing when I try to print or open the preferences dialog. Is there a better solution? Anyone? Anyone? Tony -- Anthony Joseph Seward <anthony.seward(a)ieee.org>

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