On 9/22/18 4:48 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2018-09-22 at 11:06 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:30 AM Adam Williamson
> <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media
>> around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the media
>> for testing, then another few hours to run complete installs from them
>> all (since optical media are *slow*).
>>
>> If it's not burdensome, why does no-one except the paid RH folks ever
>> seem to run the test? And usually at the last minute, at that?
>>
>> I've had to buy three DVD-RW drives *solely for the purpose of being
>> able to test this* (they keep dying, the things aren't terribly
>> reliable). And I keep a spindle of media around, again, solely for the
>> purpose of testing this, I don't use them for anything else. (In fact
>> I've nearly run out, so if we keep this criteria, I'm gonna have to go
>> out and blow some money on some more media I won't ever use for
>> anything but testing this).
> This kind of disproportionate shift of a criterion's burden is
> inappropriate. It also sticks in my craw when bugs like this are
> discovered late.
>
> In theory if you test the released beta, and a nightly early on in
> freeze, there shouldn't be a regression in the final release that'd
> cause only optical boot failures.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice...:P
I think I was the
one, or at least one of the ones that got burned by
the F21 OM bug. That was a pain to get F21 installed. That was on this
notebook, and I still get this weird message on boot up. It does not
seem to affect anything and better let sleeping dogs lie. Also I think
that was the last install I did from the full DVD; I only had 768Kb DSL
connectivity at the time. I switched to Netinstall when I switched to
Comcast and got 5Gb business (they have since 'upgraded' me to 25Gb at
no cost).
That said, first week of October, I will get a 'new' notebook, and test
out the netinstall iso on a CD.