Rahul Sundaram wrote: Well, I speculated on the ages of those to whom I thought it the new appearance would appeal. You might debate whether Rex is in the age group, but he's certainly far removed from mine. The others are inarguably in it. It's widely held that parents deplore their children's taste in music; I suggest that the same's somewhat true wrt aesthetics. I think it's important that the themes aren't all targeted at people in their mid-20s to mid-30s, and that they make allowance for people who don't really want all that eye candy. -- Cheers John -- spambait 1aaaaaaa(a)coco.merseine.nu Z1aaaaaaa(a)coco.merseine.nu -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-)

John Summerfield <debian <at> herakles.homelinux.org> writes: If you think of me as an eye candy addict, you got the entirely wrong picture of me. ;-) I have most eye candy stuff turned off, am still using Bluecurve etc. The reason I want KDE 4 in Fedora is because that's the current version, where all new development is going to focus, many apps are already getting great new features etc. Unfortunately, there's also some migration pain involved. Redoing all the desktop was an upstream decision and I'm still not convinced it was a good one, but with the decision being what it is, it is clear we will have to migrate to the new version sooner or later, we can't ship KDE 3.5 forever (and a KDE 4 port of Kicker would be suicidal, there would be essentially zero third-party applets for it, as all the old ones would still only run on the KDE 3 Kicker and all the new ones target Plasma, not to mention the huge maintenance overhead for the port itself). So, Fedora being about current technologies, why not now? Fedora 8 will stay on KDE 3 and still get updates until 1 month after the Fedora 10 release, so if you're not ready to move to KDE 4 yet, that's your option. If you're scared by KDE 4, chances are the many other huge changes coming up in Fedora 9 (GCC 4.3, Perl 5.10, Tcl 8.5, Upstart replacing SysVInit, TeXLive replacing teTeX, Hunspell replacing Aspell, gio/gvfs replacing gnome-vfs etc.) are also going to scare you anyway. :-) I also think the libraries could have used less incompatible changes, but there again it's an upstream decision, and relying on old software isn't going to be a solution in the long run. But kdelibs3 is still available so you don't lose your many third-party KDE 3 apps. Kevin Kofler