I know I'm the one who always runs the old PCs, but I recently decided I should have one new one in the mix. The one I got has an ASUS Z590-A motherboard and an Intel i5-10400 processor. Well Fedora won't run a Wayland session on it. It will only run a Gnome-xorg session. I even had to run the install from Basic Graphics mode. I asked about it on AskFedora. I have no useful response yet, but another person wrote about a similar experience, but different motherboard; the processor was different, but the same gen and also a UHD type. This needs to be addressed as all the Intel processors have been UHD for quite a while now. I'm thinking I should be writing a bug against mutter. Please let me know if you think I've got something wrong.
Have a Great Day!
Pat (tablepc)
Actually, funny timing -- I rarely buy new machines, but happened to this week (check that box off till the end of the decade...).
Intel 10850K with UHD 630 onboard, and Z590 with the 5.10 kernel (Debian...). Similar issues -- completely unable to get the GUI up in native resolution, GRUB dumps me to a black screen despite many nomodeset schenigans....
"solution" was to put in an ancient Nvidia card and run nouveau to get my screen up, but would be very interested in hearing folk's experiences here.
Cheers!
On 3/17/21 3:59 PM, pmkellly@frontier.com wrote:
I know I'm the one who always runs the old PCs, but I recently decided I should have one new one in the mix. The one I got has an ASUS Z590-A motherboard and an Intel i5-10400 processor. Well Fedora won't run a Wayland session on it. It will only run a Gnome-xorg session. I even had to run the install from Basic Graphics mode. I asked about it on AskFedora. I have no useful response yet, but another person wrote about a similar experience, but different motherboard; the processor was different, but the same gen and also a UHD type. This needs to be addressed as all the Intel processors have been UHD for quite a while now. I'm thinking I should be writing a bug against mutter. Please let me know if you think I've got something wrong.
Have a Great Day!
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On Wed, 2021-03-17 at 15:59 -0400, pmkellly@frontier.com wrote:
I know I'm the one who always runs the old PCs, but I recently decided I should have one new one in the mix. The one I got has an ASUS Z590-A motherboard and an Intel i5-10400 processor. Well Fedora won't run a Wayland session on it. It will only run a Gnome-xorg session. I even had to run the install from Basic Graphics mode. I asked about it on AskFedora. I have no useful response yet, but another person wrote about a similar experience, but different motherboard; the processor was different, but the same gen and also a UHD type. This needs to be addressed as all the Intel processors have been UHD for quite a while now. I'm thinking I should be writing a bug against mutter. Please let me know if you think I've got something wrong.
In general marketing terms like "UHD" aren't important. If you have a graphics adapter that isn't properly supported, you know one thing: that graphics adapter isn't supported. :D Between you and that other reporter...you know that the two models you have don't work.
I'd recommend you file a bug, not against mutter, but against probably the kernel (and then CC ajax@redhat.com) or xorg-x11-drv-intel (which isn't technically correct but should find the right people). Include the information requested in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Wayland_problems#Information_to_... (more or less; that hasn't been updated for a while, but it's the best reference we've got). At least include the system journal and the lspci -nn output.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:03 AM Adam Williamson adamwill@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, 2021-03-17 at 15:59 -0400, pmkellly@frontier.com wrote:
I know I'm the one who always runs the old PCs, but I recently decided I should have one new one in the mix. The one I got has an ASUS Z590-A motherboard and an Intel i5-10400 processor. Well Fedora won't run a Wayland session on it. It will only run a Gnome-xorg session. I even had to run the install from Basic Graphics mode. I asked about it on AskFedora. I have no useful response yet, but another person wrote about a similar experience, but different motherboard; the processor was different, but the same gen and also a UHD type. This needs to be addressed as all the Intel processors have been UHD for quite a while now. I'm thinking I should be writing a bug against mutter. Please let me know if you think I've got something wrong.
In general marketing terms like "UHD" aren't important. If you have a graphics adapter that isn't properly supported, you know one thing: that graphics adapter isn't supported. :D Between you and that other reporter...you know that the two models you have don't work.
I'd recommend you file a bug, not against mutter, but against probably the kernel (and then CC ajax@redhat.com) or xorg-x11-drv-intel (which isn't technically correct but should find the right people). Include
mesa would be the technically correct component for wayland driver issues.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 6:01 AM Peter Robinson pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
mesa would be the technically correct component for wayland driver issues.
Can confirm that one of the possible threads that came up was that the mesa stack didn't support the GPU on 10th Gen intel. Debian testing is on mesa 20, debian experimental has mesa 21 -- pulling this in did not fix my problems, but might indeed be a place to look.
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On 3/17/21 21:03, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2021-03-17 at 15:59 -0400, pmkellly@frontier.com wrote:
I know I'm the one who always runs the old PCs, but I recently decided I should have one new one in the mix. The one I got has an ASUS Z590-A motherboard and an Intel i5-10400 processor. Well Fedora won't run a Wayland session on it. It will only run a Gnome-xorg session. I even had to run the install from Basic Graphics mode. I asked about it on AskFedora. I have no useful response yet, but another person wrote about a similar experience, but different motherboard; the processor was different, but the same gen and also a UHD type. This needs to be addressed as all the Intel processors have been UHD for quite a while now. I'm thinking I should be writing a bug against mutter. Please let me know if you think I've got something wrong.
In general marketing terms like "UHD" aren't important. If you have a graphics adapter that isn't properly supported, you know one thing: that graphics adapter isn't supported. :D Between you and that other reporter...you know that the two models you have don't work.
The graphics are the native on the motherboard standard intel graphics as supported by the processor and the chip set. Here are the links to the Intel documents:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199271/intel-core-i5-10...
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/196612/intel-z590-chips...
The chip set number is why ASUS named their motherboard PRIME Z590-A. Here the link to the motherboard:
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIM...
I'd recommend you file a bug, not against mutter, but against probably the kernel (and then CC ajax@redhat.com) or xorg-x11-drv-intel (which isn't technically correct but should find the right people). Include the information requested in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Wayland_problems#Information_to_... (more or less; that hasn't been updated for a while, but it's the best reference we've got). At least include the system journal and the lspci -nn output.
Well, I got things a bit out of order. I actually returned the PC to the local company that assembled it for me last Thursday. They are going to get a motherboard with different chip-set and try it with the F33 WS Live install. If it turns out they can't get a combination that will run a Wayland session. I will take it back and and run it with Gnome-xorg until Fedora is more up to date.
As for filing the bug: Though I can't provide the technical items (logs, journals, etc) since I don't currently have the PC. I am still inclined to file the bug. with just the information I have in this e'mail chain; so the appropriate folks can have a heads up. Please let me know if you think I should wait.
Well at least I can still run Wayland on my test machine.
Have a Great Day!
Pat (tablepc)
On Thu, 2021-03-18 at 14:39 -0400, pmkellly@frontier.com wrote:
As for filing the bug: Though I can't provide the technical items (logs, journals, etc) since I don't currently have the PC. I am still inclined to file the bug. with just the information I have in this e'mail chain; so the appropriate folks can have a heads up. Please let me know if you think I should wait.
A bug report with nothing but the manufacturer model number (which doesn't *always* tell you exactly what the actual hardware is), and no logs, and where the user no longer has the hardware, is pretty close to useless, unfortunately. No one can do anything useful with it and it'll just sit there until it gets aged out somehow. Technically yes it gives someone a "heads up", but there's not much they can do with it.
It'd be more useful to get someone who is still in possession of hardware that isn't working properly to file a bug with useful details.
As it turns out I won't be filing a bug report. I bypassed the earlier problems.
I've kept the Intel i5-10400 processor, but exchanged the ASUS Z590-A mother board for an MSI MPG Z490 motherboard. The company that assembled the machine for me was very kind and called it an even exchange.
This runs Wayland and X11 sessions fine. After I installed F33 from my thumb drive the motherboards Realtek wired network didn't work; so I installed an intel based network card. That connection worked fine; so I ran the six months worth of updates. after that and reboot I found that the Realtek network connection worked fine. I'm leaving the network card in the machine as I am lazy and the machine provides it with a good storage place.
On 3/17/21 21:03, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2021-03-17 at 15:59 -0400, pmkellly@frontier.com wrote:
I know I'm the one who always runs the old PCs, but I recently decided I should have one new one in the mix. The one I got has an ASUS Z590-A motherboard and an Intel i5-10400 processor. Well Fedora won't run a Wayland session on it. It will only run a Gnome-xorg session. I even had to run the install from Basic Graphics mode. I asked about it on AskFedora. I have no useful response yet, but another person wrote about a similar experience, but different motherboard; the processor was different, but the same gen and also a UHD type. This needs to be addressed as all the Intel processors have been UHD for quite a while now. I'm thinking I should be writing a bug against mutter. Please let me know if you think I've got something wrong.
In general marketing terms like "UHD" aren't important. If you have a graphics adapter that isn't properly supported, you know one thing: that graphics adapter isn't supported. :D Between you and that other reporter...you know that the two models you have don't work.
I'd recommend you file a bug, not against mutter, but against probably the kernel (and then CC ajax@redhat.com) or xorg-x11-drv-intel (which isn't technically correct but should find the right people). Include the information requested in https://fedoraproject.org
I promised an update on the resolution. As it turns out I won't be filing a bug report. I bypassed the earlier problems.
I've kept the Intel i5-10400 processor, but exchanged the ASUS Z590-A mother board for an MSI MPG Z490 motherboard.
There was another issue with this board; it had non-intel network. I bought an intel based PCI-e to network card and it works great.
Problem solved. I now have an up to date PC and it's working fine. It's noticeably faster than the 3Ghz Core Duo it replaced :-)
Have a Great Day!
Pat (tablepc)
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