I just wanted to not that synaptics works now for me. I found out by accident after installing an ati driver from updates-testing when trying to get the latest f8 kernel. I needed to switch to vesa and scrolling and normal mouse operations returned with an xorg.conf I have back the rawhide ati with "radeon" as the driver and synaptics is still functional. Jim -- "I'm not saying that they were knowingly dishonest, perhaps they were simply stupid. " -- Linus Torvalds, commenting on those who really thought Microkernels were wise. (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates)