Hello... On FC5 /dev/root is a block device, not a symlink to the real device #/dev/sda3 or other $ ls -l /dev/root brw------- 1 root root 8, 3 May 6 12:11 /dev/root It looks like the owner:perms are not the same as the devices as they should be. from /etc/makedev.d: 00macros:=STORAGE 640 root disk 01linux-2.6.x:b $STORAGE 4 0 1 1 root 01linux-2.6.x:b $STORAGE 8 0 1 16 sda $ ls -l /dev/root /dev/sda3 brw------- 1 root root 8, 3 May 6 12:11 /dev/root brw-r----- 1 root disk 8, 3 May 6 19:11 /dev/sda3 Not having 640 root:disk on /dev/root breaks backups , specifically amanda. Is that by design? or an oversite? -- Christopher McCrory "The guy that keeps the servers running" Let's face it, there's no Hollow Earth, no robots, and no 'mute rays.' And even if there were, waxed paper is no defense. I tried it. Only tinfoil works.