Hi, I am using Fedora since a very long time privately, I have started with Redhat, when Fedora came up I switched to Fedora. I use always two systems Windows and Fedora quasi paralell. This means if in a function Windows is better Windows, if Fedora is better Fedora. Partly I had 2 disks in the system one for Windows, one for Fedora. But since I work with laptops I use Fedora on USB connected media, currently Fedora on a 64GB usb 3.0 connected flash medium. Fedora is in this configuration -as I feel- quite quick, as it would be on the internal disk. As mass storage I use the laptop internal Windows disk. I saw that data transfering from the Laptop internal disk to an external disk and vice versa is much more quicker, when it's controlled from Fedora on usb flash medium, then it is, when controlled from the laptop internal disk, there are many examples where fedora is comparable ( or better) as the Apps of Windows.
Since development of F24 I have problems with testing in my small corner "Fedora paralell to Windows on usb connected media". In F24 there was no dual boot Windows - Fedora possible - requirement for Final, this had worked always in the previous "editions" of Fedora. Now in F25 it is not possible to install F25 Alpha on an usb connected medium - not on an usb flash medium, not on an external disk. I filed a bug against dracut - dracut showed the error, possibly I should have filed against Anaconda - nearly no reaction on this bug - was not worth the invested work.
It might be, that Fedora is mainly used on bigger systems, and not so important for smaller systems, but also on smaller systems there are people, who could learn to love Fedora, if there is more promotion for this part of the computer community. Especially Windows oriented users. Kind regards
On Fri, 2016-09-30 at 02:46 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
Hi, I am using Fedora since a very long time privately, I have started with Redhat, when Fedora came up I switched to Fedora. I use always two systems Windows and Fedora quasi paralell. This means if in a function Windows is better Windows, if Fedora is better Fedora. Partly I had 2 disks in the system one for Windows, one for Fedora. But since I work with laptops I use Fedora on USB connected media, currently Fedora on a 64GB usb 3.0 connected flash medium. Fedora is in this configuration -as I feel- quite quick, as it would be on the internal disk. As mass storage I use the laptop internal Windows disk. I saw that data transfering from the Laptop internal disk to an external disk and vice versa is much more quicker, when it's controlled from Fedora on usb flash medium, then it is, when controlled from the laptop internal disk, there are many examples where fedora is comparable ( or better) as the Apps of Windows.
Since development of F24 I have problems with testing in my small corner "Fedora paralell to Windows on usb connected media". In F24 there was no dual boot Windows - Fedora possible - requirement for Final, this had worked always in the previous "editions" of Fedora. Now in F25 it is not possible to install F25 Alpha on an usb connected medium - not on an usb flash medium, not on an external disk. I filed a bug against dracut - dracut showed the error, possibly I should have filed against Anaconda - nearly no reaction on this bug - was not worth the invested work.
It might be, that Fedora is mainly used on bigger systems, and not so important for smaller systems, but also on smaller systems there are people, who could learn to love Fedora, if there is more promotion for this part of the computer community. Especially Windows oriented users.
In general, yes, permanent installs to removable media just aren't really a priority for development or testing. I've had your bug open for a couple of weeks, intending to test it out locally if I get a chance, but there's just always been something more important. I'll still try and get to it.
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Adam Williamson adamwill@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, 2016-09-30 at 02:46 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
Hi, I am using Fedora since a very long time privately, I have started with Redhat, when Fedora came up I switched to Fedora. I use always two systems Windows and Fedora quasi paralell. This means if in a function Windows is better Windows, if Fedora is better Fedora. Partly I had 2 disks in the system one for Windows, one for Fedora. But since I work with laptops I use Fedora on USB connected media, currently Fedora on a 64GB usb 3.0 connected flash medium. Fedora is in this configuration -as I feel- quite quick, as it would be on the internal disk. As mass storage I use the laptop internal Windows disk. I saw that data transfering from the Laptop internal disk to an external disk and vice versa is much more quicker, when it's controlled from Fedora on usb flash medium, then it is, when controlled from the laptop internal disk, there are many examples where fedora is comparable ( or better) as the Apps of Windows.
Since development of F24 I have problems with testing in my small corner "Fedora paralell to Windows on usb connected media". In F24 there was no dual boot Windows - Fedora possible - requirement for Final, this had worked always in the previous "editions" of Fedora. Now in F25 it is not possible to install F25 Alpha on an usb connected medium - not on an usb flash medium, not on an external disk. I filed a bug against dracut - dracut showed the error, possibly I should have filed against Anaconda - nearly no reaction on this bug - was not worth the invested work.
OK but what is the bug ID?
It might be, that Fedora is mainly used on bigger systems, and not so important for smaller systems, but also on smaller systems there are people, who could learn to love Fedora, if there is more promotion for this part of the computer community. Especially Windows oriented users.
In general, yes, permanent installs to removable media just aren't really a priority for development or testing. I've had your bug open for a couple of weeks, intending to test it out locally if I get a chance, but there's just always been something more important. I'll still try and get to it.
Yeah, it'd be neat to find a way to recruit people who individually are interested in solving a problem, but have only narrow expertise. A way to put together a team. Something like a dating app for developers and projects, haha.
On Fri Sep 30 2016 10:39:07 GMT-0600 (MDT) Chris Murphy
OK but what is the bug ID?
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1371661
Works for me. I used a Samsung 940X laptop and a Sandisk 80GB USB3 external SSD.
This is a UEFI machine, and I installed using manual partitioning to re-use partitions on the external device, which contained an old Fedora 23 system. My purpose here was to preserve an encrypted /home partition. /boot, /boot/efi, /root and a swap partition were reformatted by the installer for the F25 system.
In order to boot from the external drive, I must use the EFI boot loader - press F10 during start to display a list of boot devices, then select the SanDisk USB drive.
The internal drive for this machine dual boots Fedora 24 and Windows. Only the external drive was used by Anaconda for the F25 installation. It might be possible to update GRUB on the internal drive so it can boot F25 from the external drive, but I rather like the present state where no change was made to the internal storage medium.
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Richard Ryniker ryniker@alum.mit.edu wrote:
Works for me. I used a Samsung 940X laptop and a Sandisk 80GB USB3 external SSD.
This is a UEFI machine, and I installed using manual partitioning to re-use partitions on the external device, which contained an old Fedora 23 system. My purpose here was to preserve an encrypted /home partition. /boot, /boot/efi, /root and a swap partition were reformatted by the installer for the F25 system.
In order to boot from the external drive, I must use the EFI boot loader
- press F10 during start to display a list of boot devices, then select
the SanDisk USB drive.
Just a guess, but I think that when the USB stick isn't present, the firmware is removing what it considers to be a stale NVRAM boot entry. Or it's reordering the boot priority. Otherwise the stick would be booted by default, if present.
The internal drive for this machine dual boots Fedora 24 and Windows. Only the external drive was used by Anaconda for the F25 installation. It might be possible to update GRUB on the internal drive so it can boot F25 from the external drive, but I rather like the present state where no change was made to the internal storage medium.
The boot manager aspects of GRUB are weak, it still depends on static configuration rather than dynamic discovery. Discovery is difficult as os-prober's existence and history shows. There's a proposed standard to help, but there's no meaningful agreement on it among any of the stake holders.
But yes, it's possible to statically get a boot entry into GRUB but then it appears as if it's a valid option even when the stick isn't present. If the stick has to be recreated/replaced, then that boot entry won't work.
Hi, tested again. Acer laptop Aspire E15 E5-571G EFI system 64GB USB 3.0 flash medium
Loaded F25 Alpha release Workstation dnf update kernel -> got Kernel x86_64 4.8.0-0 rc8.git.0.1.fc25 made -according to the production process- a successful F25 build on the 64GB flash medium Tried to boot -> again Dracut error with the warnings: - dev/fedora/root does not exist - dev/fedora/swap does not exist - dev/mapper/fedora-root does not exist
When I looked with F24 onto the F25 build, most partitions did not exist, i.e. EFI partition was empty, also GRUB2 was nearly empty, the size of the F25 build was was about 1,1GB. Kind regards
-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: Fr, 30 Sept 2016 8:35 pm Betreff: Re: Fedora on usb connected media
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Richard Ryniker ryniker@alum.mit.edu wrote:> Works for me. I used a Samsung 940X laptop and a Sandisk 80GB USB3> external SSD.>> This is a UEFI machine, and I installed using manual partitioning to> re-use partitions on the external device, which contained an old Fedora> 23 system. My purpose here was to preserve an encrypted /home partition.> /boot, /boot/efi, /root and a swap partition were reformatted by the> installer for the F25 system.>> In order to boot from the external drive, I must use the EFI boot loader> - press F10 during start to display a list of boot devices, then select> the SanDisk USB drive.Just a guess, but I think that when the USB stick isn't present, thefirmware is removing what it considers to be a stale NVRAM boot entry.Or it's reordering the boot priority. Otherwise the stick would bebooted by default, if present.> The internal drive for this machine dual boots Fedora 24 and Windows.> Only the external drive was used by Anaconda for the F25 installation.> It might be possible to update GRUB on the internal drive so it can boot> F25 from the external drive, but I rather like the present state where no> change was made to the internal storage medium.The boot manager aspects of GRUB are weak, it still depends on staticconfiguration rather than dynamic discovery. Discovery is difficult asos-prober's existence and history shows. There's a proposed standardto help, but there's no meaningful agreement on it among any of thestake holders.But yes, it's possible to statically get a boot entry into GRUB butthen it appears as if it's a valid option even when the stick isn'tpresent. If the stick has to be recreated/replaced, then that bootentry won't work.-- Chris Murphy_______________________________________________test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to test-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Joerg Lechner julechner@aol.com wrote:
Hi, tested again. Acer laptop Aspire E15 E5-571G EFI system 64GB USB 3.0 flash medium
Loaded F25 Alpha release Workstation dnf update kernel -> got Kernel x86_64 4.8.0-0 rc8.git.0.1.fc25 made -according to the production process- a successful F25 build on the 64GB flash medium Tried to boot -> again Dracut error with the warnings:
- dev/fedora/root does not exist
- dev/fedora/swap does not exist
- dev/mapper/fedora-root does not exist
When I looked with F24 onto the F25 build, most partitions did not exist, i.e. EFI partition was empty, also GRUB2 was nearly empty, the size of the F25 build was was about 1,1GB. Kind regards
You're doing a default autopartition installtaion to the USB media? And it doesn't have an LVM partition for fedora-root and fedora-swap LV's? That's an installer bug, although without logs from the installer there's no way to figure out what's going on.
Hi, installed again with the original F25 Alpha public delivery live Workstation. Here the anaconda.log from liveuser, if You need more logs, no problem, please tell me. Kind regards
-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: Fr, 30 Sept 2016 10:36 pm Betreff: Re: Fedora on usb connected media
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Joerg Lechner julechner@aol.com wrote:> Hi,> tested again.> Acer laptop Aspire E15 E5-571G EFI system> 64GB USB 3.0 flash medium>> Loaded F25 Alpha release Workstation> dnf update kernel -> got Kernel x86_64 4.8.0-0 rc8.git.0.1.fc25> made -according to the production process- a successful F25 build on the> 64GB flash medium> Tried to boot -> again Dracut error with the warnings:> - dev/fedora/root does not exist> - dev/fedora/swap does not exist> - dev/mapper/fedora-root does not exist>> When I looked with F24 onto the F25 build, most partitions did not exist,> i.e. EFI partition was empty, also GRUB2 was nearly empty,> the size of the F25 build was was about 1,1GB.> Kind regardsYou're doing a default autopartition installtaion to the USB media?And it doesn't have an LVM partition for fedora-root and fedora-swapLV's? That's an installer bug, although without logs from theinstaller there's no way to figure out what's going on.-- Chris Murphy_______________________________________________test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to test-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
Might this be a clue (from your anaconda log)?
13:10:26,938 INFO anaconda: Running post-installation scripts 13:10:26,938 INFO anaconda: Running kickstart %%post script(s) 13:10:29,210 ERR anaconda: Error code 1 running the kickstart script at line 33 13:10:29,210 INFO anaconda: All kickstart %%post script(s) have been run
I checked my installation, and have no "Error code 1" message.
Hi, tried now wether my installation way causes the error: automatic partitioning with reclaim space. But it isn't, made the installation medium "clean" and used manual partitioning -> same result shown in the dracut error reporting. Kind regards
-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Richard Ryniker ryniker@alum.mit.edu An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: Sa, 1 Okt 2016 8:46 pm Betreff: Re: Fedora on usb connected media
Might this be a clue (from your anaconda log)? 13:10:26,938 INFO anaconda: Running post-installation scripts 13:10:26,938 INFO anaconda: Running kickstart %%post script(s) 13:10:29,210 ERR anaconda: Error code 1 running the kickstart script at line 33 13:10:29,210 INFO anaconda: All kickstart %%post script(s) have been runI checked my installation, and have no "Error code 1" message._______________________________________________test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to test-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
Hi, I should note, that the installation with manual partitioning installed showed after installation the same partitions as was, when I had chosen automatic partitioning with reclaim space. My wanted partitioning was ignored. Kind regards
-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Joerg Lechner julechner@aol.com An: test test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: So, 2 Okt 2016 8:57 am Betreff: Re: Fedora on usb connected media
Hi, tried now wether my installation way causes the error: automatic partitioning with reclaim space. But it isn't, made the installation medium "clean" and used manual partitioning -> same result shown in the dracut error reporting. Kind regards
-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Richard Ryniker ryniker@alum.mit.edu An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: Sa, 1 Okt 2016 8:46 pm Betreff: Re: Fedora on usb connected media
Might this be a clue (from your anaconda log)? 13:10:26,938 INFO anaconda: Running post-installation scripts 13:10:26,938 INFO anaconda: Running kickstart %%post script(s) 13:10:29,210 ERR anaconda: Error code 1 running the kickstart script at line 33 13:10:29,210 INFO anaconda: All kickstart %%post script(s) have been runI checked my installation, and have no "Error code 1" message._______________________________________________test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to test-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
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