FLP Meeting 2007-10-16 IRC log
by Noriko Mizumoto
2月 06 05:06:10 --- glezos がトピックを変更しました: Fedora
Localization Group meeting -- Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Init
2月 06 05:06:18 <glezos> hey all. Who's here?
2月 06 05:06:22 * marek Marek Mahut
2月 06 05:06:30 <marek> long time I hasn't here
2月 06 05:06:36 * couf Bart Couvreur
2月 06 05:06:40 <runa_b> Runa Bhattacharjee (bn_IN)
2月 06 05:06:42 <glezos> Dimitris Glezos (el)
2月 06 05:06:49 <noriko> Noriko Mizumoto (ja_JP)
2月 06 05:07:03 * asgeirf Asgeir Frimannsson
2月 06 05:07:09 <vpv> Ville-Pekka Vainio (fi)
2月 06 05:07:59 <rsc> RobertScheck (de)
2月 06 05:08:20 <glezos> OK, who's logging/keeping the minutes?
2月 06 05:08:34 * runa_b can log
2月 06 05:08:41 <glezos> awesome, thanks Runa
2月 06 05:09:14 <glezos> (by the way, for those who haven't met Runa,
she's *so* funny and awesome)
2月 06 05:09:19 <glezos> Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda
2月 06 05:09:36 * marek haven't met her, but know that fact :)
2月 06 05:09:55 <runa_b> heh
2月 06 05:10:23 <glezos> So, for those who this is their first
meeting, feel free to just talk whenever you want, as long as we keep it
under an hour. :)
2月 06 05:10:49 <glezos> MrTom had his birthday today so he couldn't
be here. :)
2月 06 05:11:13 <glezos> New teams, people etc.
2月 06 05:11:13 <runa_b> ohh
2月 06 05:11:27 --- glezos がトピックを変更しました: Fedora
Localization Group meeting -- Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- New members,
teams, etc.
2月 06 05:11:39 <asgeirf> I'm pretty new :)
2月 06 05:12:15 <glezos> asgeirf, want to throw in a few words? :)
2月 06 05:12:53 <noriko> happy birthday to MrTom
2月 06 05:13:30 <asgeirf> I sent my intro to the trans-list: I'm
asgeir, not really a translator (although I'm a nn/nb speaker). Hoping
to help out on the infrastructure side
2月 06 05:14:04 <asgeirf> Working part-time for RH, and a full time
PhD student...
2月 06 05:14:04 <runa_b> asgeirf☀ welcome
2月 06 05:14:17 <noriko> asgeirf: welcome
2月 06 05:14:24 <marek> asgeirf: welcome, what PhD studies, if I can ask?
2月 06 05:14:58 <glezos> asgeirf has already jumped in and looked
after a couple of TODOs we've got. I feel so much better knowing that
he's around.
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2月 06 05:15:25 <asgeirf> My PhD topic is on translation reuse
(translation memory, terminology memory) and the role of context...
Might see some more from that in the future ;)
2月 06 05:15:46 <vpv> nice, welcome
2月 06 05:16:10 <asgeirf> any other new people here?
2月 06 05:16:25 <glezos> There have been a bunch of new teams
formed/formalized the past weeks/months.. Including Italian, Kannada,
Indonesian and Mongolian IIRC.
2月 06 05:17:11 <glezos> Kudos to everyone that worked to get those
teams together.
2月 06 05:17:37 <glezos> moving on?
2月 06 05:17:58 <runa_b> +1
2月 06 05:18:02 <glezos> Right on.
2月 06 05:18:03 <asgeirf> glezos: +1
2月 06 05:18:07 --- glezos がトピックを変更しました: Fedora
Localization Group meeting -- Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Previous meeting's
action items
2月 06 05:18:18 <glezos> Here's the previous meeting's summary:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-October/msg00050.html
2月 06 05:18:53 <glezos> So, from my part, we've enabled all non-elvis
modules on Transifex, even the ones on cvs.fpo (on which we do have
write access)
2月 06 05:19:29 <glezos> Release notes for F8: We've done a *GREAT*
job with them: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/
2月 06 05:19:57 <marek> for Slovak translation kudos to Lenka Celko,
who did very good job with this
2月 06 05:19:59 <glezos> And continued to work closely with the Docs
guys to have a large enough window for translations to get done.
2月 06 05:20:32 <marek> looking forward Fedora 9 relnotes ;)
2月 06 05:21:02 <runa_b> how large was the window?
2月 06 05:21:15 <glezos> runa_b: 3 weeks IIRC?
2月 06 05:21:23 <runa_b> oh ok..sounds good
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2月 06 05:21:32 <glezos> Here's the schedule:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule
2月 06 05:21:39 <glezos> Oops, that's for software
2月 06 05:21:54 <glezos> Docs:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule
2月 06 05:22:48 <glezos> Oh, since we're on it, at FUDCon I've spoken
with our Feature Wrangler, poelcat, and discussed it we could have our
own schedule, to be able to keep an eye on all the deadlines
2月 06 05:23:13 <glezos> So, adding to the TODOs: Send poelcat an
email with the important dates for L10n (glezos)
2月 06 05:24:15 <glezos> nothing else from the previous meeting (which
was some months ago, btw). Anything else to be added?
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2月 06 05:25:03 <runa_b> TQSG?
2月 06 05:25:43 <glezos> runa_b: noriko got it updated (yay!). We
still need to update its translations though, they are quite old and
only the english version has the new stuff.
2月 06 05:26:08 <runa_b> oh yeah.. noriko had sent the mail... my bad
2月 06 05:26:36 <glezos> all righty then, moving on.
2月 06 05:26:40 --- glezos がトピックを変更しました: Fedora
Localization Group meeting -- Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Current topic:
Update from FUDCon Raleigh
2月 06 05:26:43 <noriko> glezos, runa_b, according to TQSG updated.
can I touch join page and several page to reflect sometime?
2月 06 05:27:08 <glezos> noriko: Definitely.
2月 06 05:27:17 <noriko> k. thanks!
2月 06 05:27:24 <glezos> noriko: no reason to have the content on >1
locations.
2月 06 05:27:40 <noriko> yp
2月 06 05:28:05 <runa_b> noriko: really nice job accomplished....congrats!
2月 06 05:28:21 <noriko> thanks runa_b :)
2月 06 05:28:25 <runa_b> :)
2月 06 05:28:47 <marek> do we have photos from rudcon? :)
2月 06 05:28:52 <marek> fudcon*
2月 06 05:28:52 <glezos> So, FUDCon Raleigh. It was a great event, as
you might have imagined from the planet posts.
2月 06 05:29:05 <glezos> marek: spoleeba took a bunch, not sure if he
uploaded them somewhere.
2月 06 05:29:13 <glezos> spoleeba: ? :)
2月 06 05:29:35 <runa_b> yup and glezos was called a rockstar by Max
spevack ! :-)
2月 06 05:29:47 <runa_b> way to go glezos
2月 06 05:29:50 <EvilBob> s/rock/pr0n
2月 06 05:29:57 * EvilBob runs
2月 06 05:29:58 <glezos> heh
2月 06 05:30:08 <runa_b> now that stays on the log
2月 06 05:30:23 <marek> :)
2月 06 05:30:27 <glezos> Max was really supportive of the L10n work
we've been doing from the start
2月 06 05:31:28 <asgeirf> glezos: in terms of l10n, any good
discussions, feedback or ideas from developers/translators?
2月 06 05:31:43 <glezos> I'm really happy he understands the
importance of the project in terms of Fedora reaching out to more
people, and to foster more people joining in, starting from their local
groups, learning the ropes etc.
2月 06 05:32:23 <EvilBob>
http://wb0tra.no-ip.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4886
http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/jspaleta/fudcon/ are two
galleries I know of
2月 06 05:32:30 <glezos> asgeirf: We had a session on L10n tools with
the Infra and Websites guys, discussed the ideas
(/wiki/L10N/Tools/Plans) we have for our tools.
2月 06 05:32:46 <marek> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rharrison/2189853794/
2月 06 05:33:11 <glezos> The general idea I got is that everyone would
like to see L10n get more attention and fix things that are not working.
2月 06 05:33:20 <nirik> I have a few up on my site too:
http://www.scrye.com/kevins-gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=883 and also
uploaded those to flickr somewhere
2月 06 05:33:44 <glezos> Bring on more projects on our Transifex
instance, scale more, etc.
2月 06 05:33:50 <EvilBob> http://www.flickr.com/groups/fudcon/pool/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rharrison/2189853794/
2月 06 05:34:49 <glezos> wow, many pics after all.
2月 06 05:34:55 <runa_b> glezos: more projects ==non-fedora projects?
2月 06 05:34:55 <marek> :)
2月 06 05:34:56 <marek>
http://www.scrye.com/kevins-gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2...
2月 06 05:34:59 <marek> hmmm
2月 06 05:35:53 <glezos> runa_b: yeah, starting from the stuff on
elvis, then fedora-related bits (pulseaudio, packagekit, etc) and then
bigger projects
2月 06 05:36:08 <vpv> I'd love to get stuff like PackageKit and
PolicyKit on Tx
2月 06 05:36:20 <asgeirf> glezos: like ultimateley enable translations
for all packages in the fedora repos, that's scale ;)
2月 06 05:36:32 <glezos> asgeirf: right on!
2月 06 05:37:23 <glezos> I've discussed with j5 on how to bring
translations into the "myfedora" page the guys are designing (a
dashboard for developers basically)
2月 06 05:38:09 <glezos> and finally, I've discussed with wwoods (QA
ninja) about producing an installable Rawhide image one week before the
Translation freeze, so that translators can test anaconda, initscripts
etc. easily.
2月 06 05:38:33 <vpv> that would be useful
2月 06 05:38:36 <glezos> And this is another TODO for the next weeks:
Contact wwoods with more info on when and how to get those spins out on
time.
2月 06 05:38:39 <runa_b> glezos: aha..that would be helpful
2月 06 05:38:54 <wwoods> I mentioned that in a Fedora conference call
last week, so rel-eng etc. is, at least, aware of the desire
2月 06 05:39:24 <glezos> wwoods: great, thanks.
2月 06 05:39:37 <asgeirf> glezos: wwoods, that would be great!
2月 06 05:39:38 <noriko> woohoo, sounds excited
2月 06 05:40:01 * glezos should have blogged about these :(
2月 06 05:40:38 <glezos> In Raleigh we bootstrapped the upcoming Elvis
move (contacted all related people and discussed the details)
2月 06 05:41:07 <glezos> And finally, had a small discussion on how to
fix the specspo package (which didn't go too far:)
2月 06 05:41:21 <glezos> eof for this I guess.
2月 06 05:41:24 <vpv> It would also be nice if there was a howto on
testing such Rawhide spins in a virtual machine (if there is already,
maybe link it in the wiki?)
2月 06 05:41:44 <wwoods> String freeze is Mar. 4 - we've discussed
doing weekly snapshots from now until Beta, but that hasn't started yet.
At the very least we'll have Live images and a working "minimal
installer" disc (kernel/initrd/anaconda)
2月 06 05:41:46 <noriko> +1 to vpv
2月 06 05:41:51 <marek> btw, Fedora 9 Alpha is out today
2月 06 05:42:06 <glezos> wwoods: cool.
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2月 06 05:42:30 <glezos> vpv: maybe a wiki page in the form
/L10N/Testing would make sense.
2月 06 05:42:39 <wwoods> Feb. 26 would be a week before string freeze
- is that a good target date for those images to be available?
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2月 06 05:43:30 <glezos> wwoods: we'll be wanting an image one week
before the *Translation* freeze, to test the translations submitted
until then
2月 06 05:43:33 <wwoods> ahhh
2月 06 05:44:13 <glezos> wwoods: say, 24/3
2月 06 05:44:39 <wwoods> what's the date for the translation freeze?
the wiki is a bit grumpy right now
2月 06 05:44:49 <glezos> wwoods: 31/3
2月 06 05:45:25 <wwoods> okay.. I'll make sure rel-eng/anaconda folks
are aware
2月 06 05:45:42 <glezos> okie
2月 06 05:45:48 <wwoods> probably those will be delivered on the
torrent tracker
2月 06 05:46:00 <glezos> wwoods: makes sense
2月 06 05:46:49 <wwoods> vpv: There *should* be info on
installing/testing rawhide on the wiki but it's a bit hard to find at
the moment
2月 06 05:47:01 <wwoods> I'll blog about this soon, 'cuz.. more
testers is always a good thing
2月 06 05:47:31 <vpv> great
2月 06 05:47:52 <glezos> awesome. moving on?
2月 06 05:48:10 <asgeirf> glezos: moving on :)
2月 06 05:48:13 <wwoods> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Testing/qemu
<-- info on testing in qemu
2月 06 05:48:52 --- glezos がトピックを変更しました: Fedora
Localization Group meeting -- Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Developers: Update
on Tx/DL deployment and plans
2月 06 05:48:59 <glezos> asgeirf: this is yours.
2月 06 05:50:13 <asgeirf> this topic might be a bit broad... i just
want to make sure we are on track before string freeze with 1) elvis
move, 2) dl/tx polishing, so that translators can do a pain-free job for
f9 :)
2月 06 05:51:36 <asgeirf> a few weeks ago i had a chat with some
translators and coordinators on their feel of tx/dl, and they very were
positive with the good work glezos has done with the infrastructure
2月 06 05:51:36 <glezos> asgeirf: I'll try my best to fix the bugs
before the string freeze. Will need a lot of communication with Infra,
and I'm really glad mmcgrath and ricky are very helpful with this.
2月 06 05:52:10 <noriko> glezos, asgeirf, question
2月 06 05:52:54 <glezos> In terms of polishing: any suggestions,
feature requests, please bring them on! :)
2月 06 05:53:19 <asgeirf> one issue they found were the separation
between dl (statistics) and tx(file submission), if we could have
tighter integration between them...
2月 06 05:53:59 <glezos> asgeirf: yeah, that's always been a bug,
despite my best efforts to make them look and behave in a similar way.
2月 06 05:54:07 <glezos> noriko: fire away
2月 06 05:54:43 <noriko> http://elvis.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status
2月 06 05:54:49 <noriko> who look after this?
2月 06 05:54:56 <noriko> I mean,
2月 06 05:55:21 <noriko> most of translators do not want to see
modules here which has been moved to fedora
2月 06 05:55:25 <glezos> noriko: My contact points for elvis/i18n.r.c
are ccheng and ankit.
2月 06 05:55:42 <noriko> glezos: I posted in fedora-trans-list.
2月 06 05:56:00 <noriko> then ccheng said he has no permission to
access. where to contact?
2月 06 05:56:21 <glezos> noriko: unfortunately, I don't have access to
the server. So, since we're having an elvis move soon, make sure you
mark on the Move page what modules should be deleted from elvis because
they're always on fedorahosted.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR/FinalElvisMove
2月 06 05:56:47 <runa_b> glezos: who is moving the modules from elvis?
2月 06 05:57:06 <glezos> runa_b: mmcgrath is copying them on
fedorahosted. AFAIK, ankit/ccheng will delete them afterwards.
2月 06 05:57:08 <asgeirf> noriko: i can chase up this and see what i
can do...
2月 06 05:57:17 <runa_b> glezos: ahh ok
2月 06 05:57:28 <noriko> asgeirf: that is great, thanks.
2月 06 05:57:51 <noriko> asgeirf: glezos, prob. I would say in ml that
stop referencing that status page.
2月 06 05:58:05 <noriko> seems we have no admin
2月 06 05:58:15 <glezos> noriko: feel free to delete all references to
it from our wiki space.
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2月 06 05:58:32 <glezos> After the Final Elvis Move, elvis will be
treated just like any other upstream project/hosting space
2月 06 05:58:38 <glezos> um
2月 06 05:58:47 <glezos> *treated by the Fedora L10n Project"
2月 06 05:58:57 <marek> till it burns! :)
2月 06 05:58:57 <asgeirf> yep :)
2月 06 05:59:02 <glezos> 'cause we simply don't have access to it, and
the contributions there aren't covered by the CLA.
2月 06 05:59:17 <runa_b> asgeirf: i got a question for you
2月 06 05:59:34 <asgeirf> runa_b: yes :)
2月 06 06:00:01 <runa_b> asgeirf: is there any shareable reference for
the feedback that you got from translators/coords about dl and tx
2月 06 06:00:04 <asgeirf> i did a bit of work on the integration
yesterday, http://asgeirf.fedorapeople.org/dl_submit.png
2月 06 06:00:31 <glezos> I want everyone to understand that this is
the right thing to do, and even if it's a bit painful now, it is highly
benefitial for Fedora in the long term.
2月 06 06:01:00 <glezos> asgeirf: awesome!
2月 06 06:01:16 <asgeirf> glezos: greyed out buttons=not enabled in tx
2月 06 06:01:53 <vpv> btw, is there a CLI Tx client developed?
2月 06 06:01:56 <asgeirf> runa_b: not yet. i will add it to the wiki
on Friday, then translators can add their comments :)
2月 06 06:02:11 <runa_b> asgeirf: ahh ok...that would be great, thanks :)
2月 06 06:02:24 <runa_b> asgeirf: and the submit buttons look cool
2月 06 06:02:59 <glezos> vpv: I wrote one some days ago
2月 06 06:03:06 <glezos> vpv:
http://dimitris.glezos.com/weblog/2008/01/28/weekend-bugfixing/
2月 06 06:03:24 <glezos> I'm optimisting about having it ready and
working before the string freeze.
2月 06 06:03:51 <marek> Home-made pizza, hmmm
2月 06 06:03:52 <marek> :)
2月 06 06:04:18 <vpv> great
2月 06 06:04:23 <glezos> especially having something like `tx
--get-lang pt_BR` which will bring you all the PO files you need to
translate, would be sweeeet!
2月 06 06:04:54 <glezos> so, we're almost out of time
2月 06 06:04:59 <asgeirf> all, if there are other ideas regarding
usability etc on the infrastructure, please share them, as it makes life
very much easier for developers :)
2月 06 06:05:06 --- glezos がトピックを変更しました: Fedora
Localization Group meeting -- Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Translators Tx/DL
impressions, thoughts
2月 06 06:05:54 <runa_b> i guess we discussed most of this topic
already :)
2月 06 06:06:03 <glezos> any suggestions are welcome. Feel free to
create a bug report, or even better, put them up on the wiki at our
Plans page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tools/Plans
2月 06 06:06:27 <glezos> runa_b: right
2月 06 06:06:47 <glezos> (moving quickly 'cause some people will want
to crash to bed by now)
2月 06 06:06:51 --- glezos がトピックを変更しました: Fedora
Localization Group meeting -- Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Online translation
tool
2月 06 06:06:53 <asgeirf> runa_b: glezos, agreed. moving on..
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2月 06 06:07:01 <glezos> asgeirf: are you working on something pootle-ish?
2月 06 06:07:28 <noriko>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tools/Plans => Proxy Error
2月 06 06:07:32 <asgeirf> glezos: hm.. that agenda-item was on there
from last meetng
2月 06 06:07:33 <glezos> I've had discussions with the developers of
Pootle and they are very interested in making it interoperate well with Tx
2月 06 06:07:36 <marek> nirik: just refresh
2月 06 06:07:49 <glezos> noriko: yeah, the wiki is a bit slow-moving
at the moment because of the Alpha release
2月 06 06:07:54 <marek> please count on my support with this project
2月 06 06:08:00 <asgeirf> when we get the infrastructure right, we
might be able to plug in pootle
2月 06 06:08:06 <runa_b> pootle would be good :)
2月 06 06:08:14 <glezos> runa_b: especially for specspo
2月 06 06:08:20 <runa_b> ohhh yeah
2月 06 06:08:26 <glezos> My idea is to put it somewhere, even if it's
just for specspo.
2月 06 06:08:35 <glezos> and then we can see how to have it play well
2月 06 06:08:44 <marek> glezos: +1
2月 06 06:08:50 <runa_b> +1
2月 06 06:09:02 <glezos> I'd like to have all three tools share the
same configuration files, so it'll be much easier to administrate them.
We'll see.
2月 06 06:09:19 --- glezos がトピックを変更しました: Fedora
Localization Group meeting -- Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Open floor
2月 06 06:10:12 <asgeirf> glezos: let's hava a l10n-dev meeting some
time discussing how we can best integrate these :)
2月 06 06:10:27 <glezos> asgeirf: +1
2月 06 06:10:55 <glezos> was thinking we should really create a group
l10n-admins, at least for administrating tx and VCS access
2月 06 06:11:28 <asgeirf> glezos: +1
2月 06 06:11:33 <glezos> So we could have a dummy mailing list too
that way, where bug reports will be sent. I guess not all translators
like to see bug reports on -trans-list
2月 06 06:11:46 <glezos> especially the technical ones.
2月 06 06:12:00 <glezos> what do the rest think on this?
2月 06 06:12:24 <asgeirf> yeah, we should still keep the
usability-related stuff on trans-list, but the pure technical stuff we
should put on a separate list
2月 06 06:12:28 <marek> ok for me, but do we have enough people?
2月 06 06:12:47 <glezos> marek: at least 6
2月 06 06:12:52 <asgeirf> marek: fedora-trans-list have enough
non-technical people to validate this :)
2月 06 06:13:13 <marek> ok :)
2月 06 06:13:22 <asgeirf> alternatively we could use fedora-i18n-list
2月 06 06:13:25 <noriko> agree. not all translators like to see bug
reports.
2月 06 06:13:29 <glezos> runa_b, noriko: would you like to see less
development/admin stuff on -trans-list?
2月 06 06:13:33 <runa_b> asgeirf: -1
2月 06 06:13:47 <runa_b> i'd rather see it on a separate list
2月 06 06:13:53 <runa_b> not on the i18n list
2月 06 06:13:54 <marek> glezos: let's create "topic" in mailman
2月 06 06:13:57 <noriko> glezos: but let me in the loop still :)
2月 06 06:14:05 <marek> who want to see admin stuff can enable it in
mailman
2月 06 06:14:15 <noriko> +1 runa_b
2月 06 06:14:18 <marek> I did same thing with astronomy commits/bugzillas
2月 06 06:14:20 <runa_b> if its on a separate list..we or any new
admins can check the archives
2月 06 06:14:21 <glezos> I'd rather see it as a separate as well. It
does seem the i18n team is more focused on other stuff.
2月 06 06:14:40 <asgeirf> yeah, let's keep it separate from i18n-list
2月 06 06:15:19 <glezos> OK. So should we go for a proper mailman list
then?
2月 06 06:15:29 <asgeirf> glezos: +1
2月 06 06:15:38 <runa_b> +1 that would also be easy to catch bugs
2月 06 06:15:48 <glezos> (cause having a l10n-admins FAS group gives
us an alias in the form l10n-admins-members@fpo, but no archives, no
control)
2月 06 06:15:56 <noriko> +1
2月 06 06:16:09 <glezos> I'm +1 for a long-term investment in a
mailing list as well.
2月 06 06:16:27 <glezos> Is -admins a good word though?
2月 06 06:16:38 <glezos> Let's get this on the list for discussion,
shall we?
2月 06 06:17:01 <marek> yes, let's dicuss +1
2月 06 06:17:03 <glezos> Sounds more like a list discussion rather
than an IRC meeting one.
2月 06 06:17:04 <runa_b> sounds ok to me...but then throw it open on
the list
2月 06 06:17:25 <asgeirf> ok, let's move this discussion to trans-list
first :)
2月 06 06:17:31 <glezos> great
2月 06 06:17:31 <noriko> yp
2月 06 06:17:40 <asgeirf> final item:
2月 06 06:17:43 <glezos> Any other topic anyone wants to see discussed?
2月 06 06:18:03 * runa_b has a suggestion
2月 06 06:18:05 <asgeirf> could all in the meeting write the local
time this meeting started for them....
2月 06 06:18:22 * asgeirf 5am
2月 06 06:18:26 <runa_b> ok lets get asgeirf's item done first :)
2月 06 06:18:35 <glezos> glezos: 9pm
2月 06 06:18:38 <asgeirf> ...then we could possibly find a better time
for everyone...
2月 06 06:18:58 * noriko 5am as well
2月 06 06:19:04 <runa_b> 00:30 am
2月 06 06:19:06 * vpv 9 pm as well
2月 06 06:19:14 * runa_b digs out the old time
2月 06 06:19:15 <-- ChitleshGoorah has quit (Read error: 104
(Connection reset by peer))
2月 06 06:20:01 <runa_b> alternate time suggested last time was UTC
1100 AM
2月 06 06:20:59 <asgeirf>
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=1&year=...
2月 06 06:21:46 <asgeirf> (that is 11am UTC)
2月 06 06:21:53 <glezos> So, the important places are: Central Europe,
India, Australia, Japan and USA?
2月 06 06:22:05 <runa_b> brazil might come in as well
2月 06 06:22:19 <glezos> runa_b: similar to USA
2月 06 06:22:21 <asgeirf> hehe, i guess we'll never find a good time :)
2月 06 06:22:22 <runa_b> ahh ok
2月 06 06:22:24 <glezos> Here's a chart:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=2&day=5&year...
2月 06 06:22:34 <noriko> glezos: no Japan atm.
2月 06 06:22:44 <glezos> noriko: oh, you're in AU too/
2月 06 06:22:46 <glezos> right
2月 06 06:23:04 * couf comes back
2月 06 06:23:11 <glezos> Here's one with USA instead of Japan:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=2&day=5&year...
2月 06 06:23:13 <couf> we're never going to find a good time for everyone
2月 06 06:23:29 <couf> sorry I missed 99% of the meeting btw :-/
2月 06 06:23:38 <noriko> couf!!
2月 06 06:23:45 <runa_b> couf: you can write the summary as punishment
2月 06 06:23:56 <couf> thanks runa_b
2月 06 06:23:58 <glezos> runa_b: lol
2月 06 06:24:21 <glezos> OK, I'll send the link to the list for
further discussion
2月 06 06:24:32 <runa_b> glezos: that would be good
2月 06 06:24:36 <glezos> runa_b: you wanted to talk about something?
2月 06 06:24:39 <runa_b> oh yeah
2月 06 06:24:40 <asgeirf> glezos: +1
2月 06 06:24:44 --> stickster
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2月 06 06:24:59 <runa_b> since we were talking about additional
testing right ahead of release..
2月 06 06:25:12 <glezos> gosh, we should try to keep these under 1
hour. We can be excused this time, long time no see.
2月 06 06:25:18 <runa_b> perhaps we could work on creating a set of
testcases for fedora UI testing
2月 06 06:25:39 <runa_b> for the really important parts that no one
should miss checking
2月 06 06:26:15 <runa_b> what do you all think?
2月 06 06:26:17 <glezos> runa_b: +1. Sounds like an item for vpv's
/wiki/L10N/Testing page.
2月 06 06:26:20 <noriko> +1 for consistent testing
2月 06 06:26:20 <glezos> :)
2月 06 06:26:38 <couf> +1 too
2月 06 06:27:08 <runa_b> glezos: ok..maybe we can put it in a
suggestion list on that page
2月 06 06:27:57 <runa_b> but it will really need extensive work
2月 06 06:28:25 <glezos> runa_b: How about getting the translators in
your office together and discuss about it? i'm sure you guys are much
more experienced in this area than the rest of us
2月 06 06:28:51 <runa_b> glezos: sure... ping to noriko as well
2月 06 06:29:02 <-- rdieter has quit (Remote closed the connection)
2月 06 06:29:03 <runa_b> glezos: also maybe opening on the mailing list?
2月 06 06:29:12 <noriko> runa_b: we must have a template on this.
2月 06 06:29:20 <noriko> larry made
2月 06 06:29:37 <runa_b> noriko: we can surely dig up something
2月 06 06:30:10 <glezos> runa_b: +1. Get it on the list and discuss
with vpv who silently volunteered to steer that page. :)
2月 06 06:30:22 <runa_b> glezos: sure. :)
2月 06 06:30:36 <runa_b> maybe wwoods can also provide inputs
2月 06 06:30:50 <glezos> In 1 minute we're out of here.
2月 06 06:31:10 * runa_b is finished with suggestion
2月 06 06:32:05 <glezos> Any famous last words?
2月 06 06:32:09 <glezos> Going once
2月 06 06:32:13 <glezos> ...twice
2月 06 06:32:21 <glezos> </meeting>
2月 06 06:32:23 <marek> :)
2月 06 06:32:28 <runa_b> thanks everyone for a nice meeting :)
2月 06 06:32:33 <marek> thanks
2月 06 06:32:37 <glezos> Thanks everybody for making it. Especially
the folks that stayed up late/early
2月 06 06:32:42 <asgeirf> thanks folks :)
2月 06 06:32:44 <vpv> thanks
2月 06 06:32:57 <glezos> Sorry for not making the 1 hour slot
2月 06 06:33:00 <EvilBob> Thank You all
2月 06 06:33:08 <glezos> Next meeting: in 2 weeks
2月 06 06:33:12 <glezos> time will be discussed on the list.
2月 06 06:33:27 <noriko> cool. thanks all
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16 years, 2 months
Elvis-hosted modules to be moved on 18/2
by Dimitris Glezos
**NOTE**: This is an *opt out* move of Fedora-as-upstream packages to
a new hosting service. If you feel your package(s) cannot participate
in this move, you must explicitly state it on the wiki page. Read on
for full details.
Hey all.
In the previous release cycle, we initiated a move of the modules
hosted on rhlinux.redhat.com (aka i18n.r.c, elvis), over to Fedora
systems [1]. The benefits are fairly obvious: work closer with the
community, development efficiency (versioning system of choice baby!),
administration ease (Fedora Account System, fedorahosted.org),
well-integrated L10n tools, and a better translation workflow. Good
stuff! :)
We'll be having another, *final move* of the rest of the modules on
the 18th of February 2008. The modules listed on the following
coordination page are ones that Fedora is upstream, hosted on elvis,
active, and receiving translations -- they will be moved to the
maintainer's VCS of choice on Fedora Infrastructure.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR/FinalElvisMove
IIRC, we currently do cvs, svn, hg, git, bzr. Projects hosted on
cvs.fedoraproject.org can receive translations directly. All modules
will be listed on the Translation Statistics page [2] and will use
Transifex [3] (already in production) for handling translation
submissions from all translators. All past and present elvis
contributors (developers, translators, foo) will be mass-emailed with
information for the migration, and guided by existing teams to create
Fedora accounts and continue their work.
The process is *opt out*, so by default all modules listed on the
above page will be *moved* (ie. deleted from elvis). Unless requested
explicitly, default target is cvs.fpo. If you need one of the above
mentioned modules to stay on elvis for a reason, please mark it
clearly on the wiki page together with a justification. Any other
information we should know (dead projects that shouldn't move, details
we should take care, etc) -- just let us know on the wiki page.
Thanks for your attention.
-d
[1]: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg01992.html
[2]: http://translate.fedoraproject.org/
[3]: https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/
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16 years, 2 months
Problem with cvs commit on cvs.fedoraproject.org
by Kjartan Maraas
Hi.
Two things I need some help with
- I went through the process to create a fedora account so I could take
on the role as team lead for the norwegian translations. All steps were
done but I don't know what to do to get myself listed as the coordinator
for this language.
- cvs commits fail on cvs.fedoraprojects.org:
[kmaraas@localhost po]$ cvs -z3 commit -m "Update translation" nb.po
**** Access allowed: kmaraas is in ACL for comps/po.
Checking in nb.po;
/cvs/pkgs/comps/po/nb.po,v <-- nb.po
new revision: 1.7; previous revision: 1.6
done
cvs commit: cannot read /cvs/pkgs/comps/po/CVS/fileattr: Permission
denied
Any ideas?
Cheers
Kjartan
16 years, 2 months
[Bug 430903] New: I'm asking to add Mongolian translation team.
by Red Hat Bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430903
Summary: I'm asking to add Mongolian translation team.
Product: Fedora Localization
Version: unspecified
Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: low
Priority: low
Component: l10n-requests
AssignedTo: dimitris(a)glezos.com
ReportedBy: naranhuu(a)gmail.com
QAContact: aalam(a)redhat.com
CC: fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com
Hi,
My name's Narankhuu.I would like to become the coordinator of Mongolian
translation team.Please add the information i attached.
Thank you.
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