On 10/17/2016 05:12 PM, rskikuli@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear Besnik,
>
> personally as a contributor with a strong focus in community growth I feel really uncomfortable
>(not to say offended) with your attitude towards people that I
personally know work so hard for the community.

Can you provide any example of "attitude" regarding <em>this</em>
community? And I haven’t express any about the people of <em>your</em>
community either. If I had an attitude, I wouldn’t have accepted 18,
eighteen, new people, into Albanian Fedora Translation team, I wouldn’t
have made the offer to transfer the administration of the whole project
to any of them capable, I could have simply bulk reject their
contribution in anaconda and elsewhere (they still are there, you scroll
only a couple of dozens of strings in top, only to find them ridden of
misspelling words. I have not even bother to look for logical errors,
consistency issues, misinterpretation, et cetera, et cetera…)

> I want to be clear here: you share only half of the information and it is obvious you are doing it intentionally.
>Just to clarify for the list: Jona, was the first to ask for the SQ
mailing list to be created after discussing it
>in one of our weekly meetings, which clearly shows the will to have all
the work documented there. You can find
>the request here
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/LP6LKTH3KMXSWCS3YAIPAIOS6NJ3R46K/.
> You jumped to ask for admin rights right away (sadly using the fact that you knew were to ask for it as a more
> experienced user) and afterwards when Jona contacted you to become
also an admin of the list (her being the person
>who initiated the process) you declined because 'isn't it too early to
make such requests?' as mentioned in this email
>http://prnt.sc/cve3w2. Now, how reasonable is to deny admin access to
someone who initiated the request for the mailing
>list in the first place I would like to leave it to the list to judge.

I haven’t hidden anything from what you stated above about the creation
of the mailing list. Your are dreaming about intentions here. And you
should know by now that you don’t give admin rights to unknown people,
people who just arrived, as it was the case with your protégée at that
time, while I’ve been the coordinator and the main contributor to Fedora
translations prior to even the foundation of the organization you
represent.


>I hope now the list understands why people in the community feel uncomfortable participating in the mailing list
and why they avoid it.

You’re again making assumptions here about how future participants could
have guessed--prior to their arrival to the list-- how easy or difficult
would be to participate, unless they have been biased to believe so. You
could go back to the list and try to find a case in which I made people
uncomfortable to participate in the translations. You’ll find none,
unless you count a couple of mails where I implored new members to get
rid of Hotmail email addresses and one about a inappropriate nickname!
(I think even those were personal mails, not sent through the list, but
I might be mistaken…)


> You were also wondering why people have not contributed in the last two months. Well Besnik, they have!
>They have been contributing in recruiting, planning events and working
with fellow Fedora community members,
> but they avoid localization not to be called 'primadona' or else.

I was not wondering. I referred what Zanata provides for the last two
months. In case you don’t know yet, Zanata is the platform for managing
Fedora translations. Extra-translational activities of any kind are
off-topic in this thread.


>You also do not accept the beneficial elements of crowd-editing
>and contributing (based on your communication through email
http://prnt.sc/cvefn0), a concept accepted by almost all FLOSS communities.
I still don’t. I wanted to prove myself wrong though, that’s why I let
18 new contributors in (mainly recruted from your organization, it
seems). Zanata reports that I was right then, as far as Fedora sq
translations go.

> As it is right now: we have you, someone that has informed the community six month before that has no time to contribute
>and that promised that will step down if there are active contributors
(well Anxhelo has contributed more than you)
I’ve recognized his contribution in a previous mail to the locale list.
For the rest no comprehensive statistics (you might light to count my
contribution in Fedora website group of translations and elsewhere;
check them https://fedora.zanata.org/dashboard/?dswid=-6759).

>and on the other hand we have the people that are pushed away from localisation efforts. As i see it the sum here is zero.
>In my opinion we are working during the day to bring new contributors
and by night you do your best to send them away by
>declining almost everything is done because you don't agree with the
way we work on the hackerspace.

That’s not true either. I haven’t done any really reviewing since late
April and the reasons are stated over and over (my initial idea of
transferring the maintenance of the project to someone else).
Just because someone is able to register an account on Zanata doesn’t
make them automatically contributors.

>
> Besnik, I'd like to remind you that one of the four foundations of the Fedora Project is 'Friends' and you have proven not to be a good one.
>In the contrary, you have been a person that clearly does not want new
contributors to jump in the project.

I’d invite you to refrain from guessing. My actions prove you wrong here.

As per what I want, I won’t bother telling you that one more time. I
have done that enough in the past.

Regards,
Besnik

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