3:25 a.m.
Hi, All,
a new translator (Alexander Felda, user name *afeld*) tries to become a
translator for Russian group. He successfully performed all necessary steps
as described in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Guide to join the
group, but still cannot get access to translations.
Now he is present in Fedora Translators Group (cvsl10n) member list as
*afeld*, there is no sponsor, status is unapproved and role jusst a user.
What can I do (as a group coordinator) to fix the problem?
Best wishes,
Igor Gorbounov,
coordinator of Russian Group
3:38 a.m.
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 11:25 +0300, Игорь Горбунов wrote:
Hi, All,
a new translator (Alexander Felda, user name afeld) tries to become a
translator for Russian group. He successfully performed all necessary
steps as described in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Guide to
join the group, but still cannot get access to translations.
Now he is present in Fedora Translators Group (cvsl10n) member list
as afeld, there is no sponsor, status is unapproved and role jusst a
user.
As far as I know, weblate doesn't require any group membership. You
ounly need a FAS account. Isn't it?
A.
3:49 a.m.
Yes, I've tried right now - and it works!
Thanks!
Igor Gorbounov
чт, 4 июн. 2020 г. в 11:38, Alessio <alciregi(a)posteo.net>:
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 11:25 +0300, Игорь Горбунов wrote:
> Hi, All,
> a new translator (Alexander Felda, user name afeld) tries to become a
> translator for Russian group. He successfully performed all necessary
> steps as described in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Guide to
> join the group, but still cannot get access to translations.
> Now he is present in Fedora Translators Group (cvsl10n) member list
> as afeld, there is no sponsor, status is unapproved and role jusst a
> user.
As far as I know, weblate doesn't require any group membership. You
ounly need a FAS account. Isn't it?
A.
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4:03 a.m.
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 11:49 +0300, Игорь Горбунов wrote:
> Now he is present in Fedora Translators Group (cvsl10n) member
> list
> > as afeld, there is no sponsor, status is unapproved and role
> jusst a
> > user.
Hovewer, even if weblate doesn't require that, it would be nice to be
able to add people to the FAS group.
I think stupid things, but. Being part of a FAS group is something like
a reward. Someone could proudly says "hey! I'm part of the Fedora
translation team". Without a group membership ok, you can do the work,
but meh. In addition, other than giving a formal membership, FAS group
membership grant you other stuff, like the ability to vote, a mail
alias, web space on fedorapeople, etc. I think that this is an
important way for people to feel welcome in a community.
So, it could be the case to revise group membership, even if not
strictly necessary to do the translation work.
Ciao,
A.
4:11 a.m.
I second your thoughts.
Since AFAIK no one is actively leading the Trans Group, and i assume both
of you don't have rights in FAS to sponsor someone, so opening an issue in
Pagure would be helpful.
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020, 14:04 Alessio, <alciregi(a)posteo.net> wrote:
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 11:49 +0300, Игорь Горбунов wrote:
> > Now he is present in Fedora Translators Group (cvsl10n) member
> > list
> > > as afeld, there is no sponsor, status is unapproved and role
> > jusst a
> > > user.
Hovewer, even if weblate doesn't require that, it would be nice to be
able to add people to the FAS group.
I think stupid things, but. Being part of a FAS group is something like
a reward. Someone could proudly says "hey! I'm part of the Fedora
translation team". Without a group membership ok, you can do the work,
but meh. In addition, other than giving a formal membership, FAS group
membership grant you other stuff, like the ability to vote, a mail
alias, web space on fedorapeople, etc. I think that this is an
important way for people to feel welcome in a community.
So, it could be the case to revise group membership, even if not
strictly necessary to do the translation work.
Ciao,
A.
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3:30 a.m.
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 14:11 +0500, Shehroz Kaleem wrote:
I second your thoughts.
Since AFAIK no one is actively leading the Trans Group, and i assume
both of you don't have rights in FAS to sponsor someone, so opening
an issue in Pagure would be helpful.
Thanks. Opening a ticket where?
Ciao,
A.
4:22 a.m.
Please use the following link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues
Shehroz
On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 13:31, Alessio <alciregi(a)posteo.net> wrote:
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 14:11 +0500, Shehroz Kaleem wrote:
> I second your thoughts.
>
> Since AFAIK no one is actively leading the Trans Group, and i assume
> both of you don't have rights in FAS to sponsor someone, so opening
> an issue in Pagure would be helpful.
Thanks. Opening a ticket where?
Ciao,
A.
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4:33 a.m.
On Tue, 2020-06-09 at 14:22 +0500, Shehroz Kaleem wrote:
Please use the following link
https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues
Thank you Shehroz.
However shouldn't it be discussed in this team?
Currently who are the admins and sponsors?
And... we are talking about the Fedora Translators Group (cvsl10n) or
the l10n one? What is the difference?
Ciao,
A.
4:50 a.m.
Piotr Drąg and Jean-Baptiste Holcroft were managing the Translation
project, but i guess, they are away from this for a while.
As far as i know, cvsl10n and l10n were used in past to give certain level
of access rights to translators and coordinators in Zanata and similar
stuff, but i think they are no longer needed.
But this should and must not hold any of us back from localizing
(Translating the strings) and to do something for good.
BR
Shehroz
On Tue, 9 Jun 2020, 14:34 Alessio, <alciregi(a)posteo.net> wrote:
On Tue, 2020-06-09 at 14:22 +0500, Shehroz Kaleem wrote:
> Please use the following link
> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues
Thank you Shehroz.
However shouldn't it be discussed in this team?
Currently who are the admins and sponsors?
And... we are talking about the Fedora Translators Group (cvsl10n) or
the l10n one? What is the difference?
Ciao,
A.
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4:08 p.m.
hi, I'm not admin of this group to promote users to sponsor, I asked infra for it:
https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8999
Anyway, if Igor Gorbounov is the russian coordinator, please update this page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Teams and
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Russian_Team
For people wondering: choosing a coordinator always is a "local" decision, see
this documentation:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Guide/Coordinator#Becoming_a_Language...
It's a personal taste, but I think it is a good practice is to write the name of
previous coordinators on the team page to honor past contributors.
12:31 a.m.
Hi,
ср, 10 июн. 2020 г. в 00:08, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <
jibecfed(a)fedoraproject.org>:
It's a personal taste, but I think it is a good practice is to write the
name of previous coordinators on the team page to honor past contributors.
they are written there because I have not modified the page yet up to the
recent
state of the art (lack of time or maybe mere laziness) - they are
not responding now in any case. I just continue being translator and
reviewer and do coordinate due to the idea that somebody has to do
coordinating (taken the fallen flag :) ?).
Best wishes,
Igor Gorbounov
2:02 a.m.
Hello team.
Hello Jean-Baptiste.
Could I became a sponsor of cvsl10n?
Rationale: some people translate stuff. Some new contributors start
translating without being part of any FAS group. As stated in the past,
a FAS group membership is no more required to access the translation
platform (like it was with Zanata), and this is good because it lowers
the contribution barrier. On the other hand, people performing
translations are in no way recognized for their work (there aren't even
badges for translators). And ok, I don't contribute to a project
because I need a prize or anything else. But I think that it is in some
way important to take care of "feel part of the community".
Please also look to: https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/243
Thanks for your attention.
Ciao,
A.
2:29 a.m.
Le 2020-11-26 09:02, Alessio a écrit :
Could I became a sponsor of cvsl10n?
If you want, I'll promote you today.
Rationale: some people translate stuff. Some new contributors start
translating without being part of any FAS group. As stated in the past,
a FAS group membership is no more required to access the translation
platform (like it was with Zanata), and this is good because it lowers
the contribution barrier. On the other hand, people performing
translations are in no way recognized for their work (there aren't even
badges for translators). And ok, I don't contribute to a project
because I need a prize or anything else. But I think that it is in some
way important to take care of "feel part of the community".
CLA+1 is a global Fedora community issue I can't do anything against it.
I did manually added translators in CLA+1 in the past:
https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/57 https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/55
https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/51 etc.
But it just consume my time, and this CLA+1 system drives me crazy
anyway.
Zanata was incompatible with contributor reward, and the Weblate
migration allows to do it.
The Weblate dev did a specific work for us to sends messages to our
infrastructure: https://github.com/WeblateOrg/fedora_messaging/
It's ready for more than a year now...
But our infrastructure doesn't allow external system to send
notification:
https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8291
The will to provide translators with badges is old too:
https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/26
If you feel like taking over the subject, you are welcome to gently
shake the community to make this happen. I'm tired.
The only thing I'll put my veto is the Badge design, I want no flag in
it. We are here for languages which are cross-borders.
Jean-Baptiste
2:40 a.m.
On Thu, 2020-11-26 at 09:29 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft wrote:
Le 2020-11-26 09:02, Alessio a écrit :
> Could I became a sponsor of cvsl10n?
If you want, I'll promote you today.
Yes, please. I will not abuse my role. :-)
CLA+1 is a global Fedora community issue I can't do anything
against
it.
We hope in a better future. :-)
<snip>
Zanata was incompatible with contributor reward, and the Weblate
migration allows to do it.
The Weblate dev did a specific work for us to sends messages to our
infrastructure: https://github.com/WeblateOrg/fedora_messaging/
It's ready for more than a year now...
<snip>
Thank you for these information.
I can understand you are tired when things are taking sooo long to get
accomplished or simply receive a reply. But please remember that you
have made a great work, you rock.
The only thing I'll put my veto is the Badge design, I want no
flag
in it. We are here for languages which are cross-borders.
+1
Ciao,
A.
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