7:45 a.m.
Good day!
----- "daniel cabrera" <logan(a)fedoraproject.org> пишет:
So, Yulia, Inna, just to be certain, do you think your team in
Tx.net
will allow other languages to join you and to use the structure you've
created? If yes, can we use your repositorys, or perhaps you think
that it's better host the files somewhere else? And the last thing:
I've found another translations of man pages in Tx.net [2] that are
also related with you guys: Is there somewhere else where we have to
look for?
[1] http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
[2] http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/manpages-ylsoftware-ru/
Yes, certainly. You can add new team on Tx.net [1] and you can also use our repo on Sf.net
[2] (if the name "man-pages-ru" doesn't embarrass you :).
You can also add page in your language with instructions to Sf.net (ask me about it in
private letter).
One can find some details about project [2] in file [3].
There are 3 coordinators (Russian):
kruvalig (Valerij Kruchko)- project [1] on Tx.net (from Russian Fedora L10N Team);
yuray (Yuri Kozlov) - project on Sf.net [2] (He is from Debian community);
and I (mama-sun, Inna Kabanova) - I'm responsible for communications with other
projects in Russia, with Russian Fedora L10N Team and others. (But if you have some
technical questions you had better ask yuray :).
And what about project [4]: it is project of Vladimir Stupin (morbo). He created it to
translate into Russian man-pages he want. For the moment projects [1] and [4] are not
coherent.
----- "Dimitris Glezos" <dimitris(a)glezos.com> пишет:
This effort be created as a global, common project, in order to
leverage the common toolchain. One repository should be created which
contains all source and language files. Something like "CMTP: Common
Manpage Translation Project". We should create a Google Group with
some instructions posted, etc.
Yes, I think so too. But today we are at the outset and there are a lot of unsettled
problems ahead.
Any downstream distribution which would like to re-use some of these
translations, could just use this repo as their RPM/DEB source repo in
their spec files. When we succeed in delivering a first set of
translations, the package maintainers could be informed about the
existence of this effort.
Downstream contributors (e.g. translators of Fedora, Ubuntu, etc)
interested in translating manpages could be encouraged to contribute
to this project.
We try to contact with Russian teams from other distribs to invite them into the project.
> [1] http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
My questions mainly revolve around technical issues, like, how do we
keep these PO files in sync with the source repositories? With my
(poor) understanding, I can imagine a workflow as follows:
1. We create a repo on github/bitbucket/foo which contains the PO
files.
2. The repo contains a text file with direct download links to the
nroff files of upstream projects.
3. A sync script is run every few days which downloads these files
and updates the PO files.
4. A script/Makefile rule is provided to the developer which he can
run before he releases.
5. A new developer can request the addition of his project/URL by
opening a ticket to our ticketing system.
Do these make sense?
According to what Yuri's said me about your questions in our project we have only one
upstream project (kernel.org) and we didn't solve the problem of adding a new one. But
it's interesting for us. So I ask you, Dimitris, to communicate with Yuri (yuray AT
komyakino DOT ru) and kruvalig to take up this problems.
[1] - http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
[2] - http://sourceforge.net/projects/man-pages-ru/
[3] -
http://man-pages-ru.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/man-pages-ru/README_En.txt...
[4] - http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/manpages-ylsoftware-ru/
--
Inna Kabanova / Russian Fedora Team
9:59 a.m.
New subject: Translating manpages
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 16:45 +0400, Inna Kabanova wrote:
Good day!
----- "daniel cabrera" <logan(a)fedoraproject.org> пишет:
> So, Yulia, Inna, just to be certain, do you think your team in Tx.net
> will allow other languages to join you and to use the structure you've
> created? If yes, can we use your repositorys, or perhaps you think
> that it's better host the files somewhere else? And the last thing:
> I've found another translations of man pages in Tx.net [2] that are
> also related with you guys: Is there somewhere else where we have to
> look for?
>
> [1] http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
> [2] http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/manpages-ylsoftware-ru/
Yes, certainly. You can add new team on Tx.net [1] and you can also use our repo on
Sf.net [2] (if the name "man-pages-ru" doesn't embarrass you :).
You can also add page in your language with instructions to Sf.net (ask me about it in
private letter).
One can find some details about project [2] in file [3].
There are 3 coordinators (Russian):
kruvalig (Valerij Kruchko)- project [1] on Tx.net (from Russian Fedora L10N Team);
yuray (Yuri Kozlov) - project on Sf.net [2] (He is from Debian community);
and I (mama-sun, Inna Kabanova) - I'm responsible for communications with other
projects in Russia, with Russian Fedora L10N Team and others. (But if you have some
technical questions you had better ask yuray :).
And what about project [4]: it is project of Vladimir Stupin (morbo). He created it to
translate into Russian man-pages he want. For the moment projects [1] and [4] are not
coherent.
----- "Dimitris Glezos" <dimitris(a)glezos.com> пишет:
> This effort be created as a global, common project, in order to
> leverage the common toolchain. One repository should be created which
> contains all source and language files. Something like "CMTP: Common
> Manpage Translation Project". We should create a Google Group with
> some instructions posted, etc.
Yes, I think so too. But today we are at the outset and there are a lot of unsettled
problems ahead.
>
> Any downstream distribution which would like to re-use some of these
> translations, could just use this repo as their RPM/DEB source repo in
> their spec files. When we succeed in delivering a first set of
> translations, the package maintainers could be informed about the
> existence of this effort.
>
> Downstream contributors (e.g. translators of Fedora, Ubuntu, etc)
> interested in translating manpages could be encouraged to contribute
> to this project.
We try to contact with Russian teams from other distribs to invite them into the
project.
>
> > [1] http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
>
> My questions mainly revolve around technical issues, like, how do we
> keep these PO files in sync with the source repositories? With my
> (poor) understanding, I can imagine a workflow as follows:
>
> 1. We create a repo on github/bitbucket/foo which contains the PO
> files.
>
> 2. The repo contains a text file with direct download links to the
> nroff files of upstream projects.
>
> 3. A sync script is run every few days which downloads these files
> and updates the PO files.
>
> 4. A script/Makefile rule is provided to the developer which he can
> run before he releases.
>
> 5. A new developer can request the addition of his project/URL by
> opening a ticket to our ticketing system.
>
> Do these make sense?
According to what Yuri's said me about your questions in our project we have only one
upstream project (kernel.org) and we didn't solve the problem of adding a new one. But
it's interesting for us. So I ask you, Dimitris, to communicate with Yuri (yuray AT
komyakino DOT ru) and kruvalig to take up this problems.
[1] - http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
[2] - http://sourceforge.net/projects/man-pages-ru/
[3] -
http://man-pages-ru.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/man-pages-ru/README_En.txt...
[4] - http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/manpages-ylsoftware-ru/
--
Inna Kabanova / Russian Fedora Team
Hi,
The Spanish team has begun the process of updating our version of
man-pages-es-1.55 to the last man-pages-.3.26. In order to do so we need
to (i) convert our *.es.troff-1.55 files into *.es.po-1.55, then (ii)
create the *.pot-3.26 files, and finally (iii), update our *.es.po-1.55
with the *.pot-3.26. At this point we've finished man1, and we're
starting will man2. And we're uploading all our work here [1], in case
any other team would like to use those *.pot files.
We also really need guidance on how and where to host this files, so
from now on, for us translators, updating them will be as simple as
updating the rest of our distro. For that we would like to invite to
participate in this process to all of you that make our translation work
possible (ping Dimitris, Diego, Piotr, Rudi, Eric, Noriko, and everyone
else that I could have forgotten :) ).
About this last point, and because of the cross-distro nature of this
particular task, we think that should also be considered the offer from
Denis Barbier at Perkamon [2].
[1] http://logan.fedorapeople.org/Man%20pages/
[2]
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/perkamon-devel/2010-September/00...
Best regards,
Daniel Cabrera (es)
1:26 p.m.
New subject: Translating manpages
Is there any interest to make this happen? The pages are there,
waiting for contributions. Packaging and cross-distro collaboration
needs to be resolved too.
http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
-d
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Inna Kabanova
<ikabanova(a)russianfedora.ru> wrote:
Good day!
----- "daniel cabrera" <logan(a)fedoraproject.org> пишет:
> So, Yulia, Inna, just to be certain, do you think your team in Tx.net
> will allow other languages to join you and to use the structure you've
> created? If yes, can we use your repositorys, or perhaps you think
> that it's better host the files somewhere else? And the last thing:
> I've found another translations of man pages in Tx.net [2] that are
> also related with you guys: Is there somewhere else where we have to
> look for?
>
> [1] http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
> [2] http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/manpages-ylsoftware-ru/
Yes, certainly. You can add new team on Tx.net [1] and you can also use our repo on
Sf.net [2] (if the name "man-pages-ru" doesn't embarrass you :).
You can also add page in your language with instructions to Sf.net (ask me about it in
private letter).
One can find some details about project [2] in file [3].
There are 3 coordinators (Russian):
kruvalig (Valerij Kruchko)- project [1] on Tx.net (from Russian Fedora L10N Team);
yuray (Yuri Kozlov) - project on Sf.net [2] (He is from Debian community);
and I (mama-sun, Inna Kabanova) - I'm responsible for communications with other
projects in Russia, with Russian Fedora L10N Team and others. (But if you have some
technical questions you had better ask yuray :).
And what about project [4]: it is project of Vladimir Stupin (morbo). He created it to
translate into Russian man-pages he want. For the moment projects [1] and [4] are not
coherent.
----- "Dimitris Glezos" <dimitris(a)glezos.com> пишет:
> This effort be created as a global, common project, in order to
> leverage the common toolchain. One repository should be created which
> contains all source and language files. Something like "CMTP: Common
> Manpage Translation Project". We should create a Google Group with
> some instructions posted, etc.
Yes, I think so too. But today we are at the outset and there are a lot of unsettled
problems ahead.
>
> Any downstream distribution which would like to re-use some of these
> translations, could just use this repo as their RPM/DEB source repo in
> their spec files. When we succeed in delivering a first set of
> translations, the package maintainers could be informed about the
> existence of this effort.
>
> Downstream contributors (e.g. translators of Fedora, Ubuntu, etc)
> interested in translating manpages could be encouraged to contribute
> to this project.
We try to contact with Russian teams from other distribs to invite them into the
project.
>
> > [1] http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
>
> My questions mainly revolve around technical issues, like, how do we
> keep these PO files in sync with the source repositories? With my
> (poor) understanding, I can imagine a workflow as follows:
>
> 1. We create a repo on github/bitbucket/foo which contains the PO
> files.
>
> 2. The repo contains a text file with direct download links to the
> nroff files of upstream projects.
>
> 3. A sync script is run every few days which downloads these files
> and updates the PO files.
>
> 4. A script/Makefile rule is provided to the developer which he can
> run before he releases.
>
> 5. A new developer can request the addition of his project/URL by
> opening a ticket to our ticketing system.
>
> Do these make sense?
According to what Yuri's said me about your questions in our project we have only one
upstream project (kernel.org) and we didn't solve the problem of adding a new one. But
it's interesting for us. So I ask you, Dimitris, to communicate with Yuri (yuray AT
komyakino DOT ru) and kruvalig to take up this problems.
[1] - http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
[2] - http://sourceforge.net/projects/man-pages-ru/
[3] -
http://man-pages-ru.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/man-pages-ru/README_En.txt...
[4] - http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/manpages-ylsoftware-ru/
--
Inna Kabanova / Russian Fedora Team
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Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/
4:16 p.m.
New subject: Translating manpages
2011/6/26 Dimitris Glezos <glezos(a)indifex.com>:
Is there any interest to make this happen? The pages are there,
waiting for contributions. Packaging and cross-distro collaboration
needs to be resolved too.
http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
Yes, please!
Any packaging skilling, is not needed anymore! I can help with that,
for Fedora!
I call all Spanish translator to help translating manpages.
Thanks in advance.
kind regards
Domingo Becker (es)
7:19 p.m.
New subject: Translating manpages
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-6-27, at 上午2:26, Dimitris Glezos <glezos(a)indifex.com> wrote:
Is there any interest to make this happen? The pages are there,
waiting for contributions. Packaging and cross-distro collaboration
needs to be resolved too.
http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
-d
Good idea. it would be much difficult than the others but it's necessary to do this
for it's the basic docs of Linux.
3:13 a.m.
New subject: Translating manpages
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Dimitris Glezos <glezos(a)indifex.com> wrote:
Is there any interest to make this happen? The pages are there,
waiting for contributions. Packaging and cross-distro collaboration
needs to be resolved too.
http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
Is there an other place to get them translated? Like freedesktop.org?
I hope that there is only one place to get it translated, but I don't know yet.
To make it cross-distro, we need to speak with others... Pablo, you
know better than me the actual state, any clarification?
--
Kévin Raymond
User:shaiton
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2
3:15 a.m.
New subject: Translating manpages
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Kévin Raymond
<shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Dimitris Glezos
<glezos(a)indifex.com> wrote:
> Is there any interest to make this happen? The pages are there,
> waiting for contributions. Packaging and cross-distro collaboration
> needs to be resolved too.
>
> http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/man-pages/
Is there an other place to get them translated? Like freedesktop.org?
Not that I know of.
I believe there is an upstream discussion to make Txn the default
platform for FDO translations. A lot of teams have been created
already. The man-pages project could simply "outsource" its teams to
the FDO project.
https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/freedesktop/teams/
-d
I hope that there is only one place to get it translated, but I
don't know yet.
To make it cross-distro, we need to speak with others... Pablo, you
know better than me the actual state, any clarification?
--
Dimitris Glezos
Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/
12:24 p.m.
New subject: Translating manpages
On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 10:13 +0200, Kévin Raymond wrote:
Is there an other place to get them translated? Like freedesktop.org?
I hope that there is only one place to get it translated, but I don't know yet.
To make it cross-distro, we need to speak with others... Pablo, you
know better than me the actual state, any clarification?
Yes, there is: Perkamon [1], and uses a git system for managing the
files [2]. The Debian French translation team is very active there, so
perhaps you may want to contact them. I think Dennis Barbier [3] will be
your best source and you can find him in the po4a list [4].
(Also you may want to contact Pablo Martín-Gomez, who seems to know
better about this [5])
We are also -at the Spanish team- having conversations with the Debian
team, but since we need to upgrade from manpages v.1.55 to v.3.23 (at
least), there's a lot of work needed to be done before finding a host.
[1] http://perkamon.alioth.debian.org/index.php
[2] http://gitorious.org/perkamon/man-pages
[3] https://gitorious.org/~dbarbier
[4] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/po4a-devel
[5]
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2010-March/007224.html
Best regards,
Daniel Cabrera (es)
PS: Mamasun, thanks ;)
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