3:25 p.m.
Dear coordinators,
We have two clear L10N roles :
* Contributor
* Team coordinator
I now suggest to clarify one last one, the role of the people having
special helping the global coordination.
This role is actually held by a few people : mainly by Noriko Mizumoto,
but maybe also Alex Aeng and Piotr Drąg?.
Why would I want to give them an "official title" ?
I want to have more description on the wiki about people to reach to
answer/solve wider problems/questions.
Typical use cases :
* I want to take coordinator role of a team but the previous
coordinator do not answer anymore
* I want to change content on Zanata (like groups, welcome page)
* I need administrator help on trans@ mailing list
* I need administrator help on FAS groups
* I want to add a new language
Those people are administrator of our tools, to help as superpower
people when coordinators are stuck.
This role is not in competition with the group decision management we
have : every coordinator has the possibility to assists G11N meetings
and L10N meetings, to share ideas, lead projects, organize events,
improve process, make communications.
I aim to keep the inverted pyramid logic and suggest ***L10N Pillars***.
Pillars < Coordinators < Translators.
Please give your feedback about this proposal before September 25th.
Btw, if this role is agreed, I will ask design team to make a little
image for each roles on the wiki.
Thanks for your help,
--
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
3:34 p.m.
Hi Jean-Baptiste,
If you're asking the design team to make little images for the roles on
G11N/L10N, I think reviewers deserve a little image too :D.
Best regards,
Marcel Ribeiro Dantas Gerente de Projeto
Laboratório de Inovação Tecnológica em Saúde
s: mribeirodantas.fedorapeople.org e: mribeirodantas(a)lais.huol.ufrn.br
"An idea is only knowledge when shared."
<http://linkedin.com/in/mribeirodantas>
2016-09-11 17:25 GMT-03:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr
:
Dear coordinators,
We have two clear L10N roles :
* Contributor
* Team coordinator
I now suggest to clarify one last one, the role of the people having
special helping the global coordination.
This role is actually held by a few people : mainly by Noriko Mizumoto,
but maybe also Alex Aeng and Piotr Drąg?.
Why would I want to give them an "official title" ?
I want to have more description on the wiki about people to reach to
answer/solve wider problems/questions.
Typical use cases :
* I want to take coordinator role of a team but the previous coordinator
do not answer anymore
* I want to change content on Zanata (like groups, welcome page)
* I need administrator help on trans@ mailing list
* I need administrator help on FAS groups
* I want to add a new language
Those people are administrator of our tools, to help as superpower people
when coordinators are stuck.
This role is not in competition with the group decision management we have
: every coordinator has the possibility to assists G11N meetings and L10N
meetings, to share ideas, lead projects, organize events, improve process,
make communications.
I aim to keep the inverted pyramid logic and suggest ***L10N Pillars***.
Pillars < Coordinators < Translators.
Please give your feedback about this proposal before September 25th.
Btw, if this role is agreed, I will ask design team to make a little image
for each roles on the wiki.
Thanks for your help,
--
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
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5:58 a.m.
Le 11/09/2016 à 22:34, Marcel Ribeiro Dantas a écrit :
Hi Jean-Baptiste,
If you're asking the design team to make little images for the roles on
G11N/L10N, I think reviewers deserve a little image too :D.
Best regards,
Hi Marcel, it's a good idea, but first we need to describe this role on
the wiki. With Zanata's behaviour, I think it is a mandatory role in a
team. Your contribution would be really appreciated. Please write a
draft about this on your wiki page.
--
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
11:16 a.m.
2016-09-19 7:58 GMT-03:00 Jean-Baptiste <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr>:
Hi Marcel, it's a good idea, but first we need to describe this role on
the wiki. With Zanata's behaviour, I think it is a mandatory role in a
team. Your contribution would be really appreciated. Please write a draft
about this on your wiki page.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mribeirodantas/Drafts/Reviewer_Role
v0.1 :-)
Feel free to edit/improve.
1:21 a.m.
Le 19/09/2016 à 18:16, Marcel Ribeiro Dantas a écrit :
2016-09-19 7:58 GMT-03:00 Jean-Baptiste <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr
<mailto:jean-baptiste@holcroft.fr>>:
Hi Marcel, it's a good idea, but first we need to describe this
role on the wiki. With Zanata's behaviour, I think it is a
mandatory role in a team. Your contribution would be really
appreciated. Please write a draft about this on your wiki page.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mribeirodantas/Drafts/Reviewer_Role
v0.1 :-)
Feel free to edit/improve.
While I know Reviewer Role is important in internal organization, I do
not feel like define it as a global "Fedora Localization Project" role.
Each team may chose have one, many, give them more or less importance
and combine it with other roles. It is a good practice to have one, but
I do not feel like mandatory to have your team working.
I would feel better just to add some hints about "Reviewing with Zanata"
in L10N/Guide.
By the way, as far as I know, "translated" strings are still pulled by
projects, whatever approved or not so we should present this as a non
mandatory action so little team do not waste resources approving string
by string.
--
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
4:03 a.m.
The problem with reviewing is greater when the translation team size
is small, or the translator is alone in not really worldwide spoken
language. Therefore if the translation process is not owned by the
translators of the language, and not even controlled directly - we are
on the mercy of others. The real solution will be when we translators
are own the po files, and take responsibility, and direct pull/push
mark on updates - separated from packages. But this is an other issue.
When we are talking about structure:
Right now, I think language team leadership/council should consist
from 4 person Noriko, Piotr, Alex, and Pravin. Many times Noriko,
Pravin and Piotr took care of the l10n community with mailing lists,
and membership.
For community engineering - Alex did, and does the stuff with Zanata.
I'd like to suggest one more person who is interested with typography,
and input methods - Mike Fabian (if he accepts this listing in wiki).
I would like to suggest here few more person, that actually helps with
i18n, stats management, community care reports, meetings and such.
For administering, I think would be the best to have Pravin - and for
fallback Noriko - IMHO. For the structure, if someone has questions,
and need to know the know-how, how to use Zanata itself - I think, one
mentor is necessary either as we do for ambassadors or we can take
this role to implement the l10n team leaders.
Contributors with l10n team leaders > l10n team leaders under the lead
of an single admin with a mentor > g11n language team
leadership/council with the engineering... and we have formed a
structural team, I think.
With this we are following the same infra as we use in big, therefore
we know it that perhaps can work inside the g11n team too.
Zoltan
2016-10-04 8:21 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr>:
Le 19/09/2016 à 18:16, Marcel Ribeiro Dantas a écrit :
>
> 2016-09-19 7:58 GMT-03:00 Jean-Baptiste <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr
> <mailto:jean-baptiste@holcroft.fr>>:
>
>
> Hi Marcel, it's a good idea, but first we need to describe this
> role on the wiki. With Zanata's behaviour, I think it is a
> mandatory role in a team. Your contribution would be really
> appreciated. Please write a draft about this on your wiki page.
>
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mribeirodantas/Drafts/Reviewer_Role
>
> v0.1 :-)
>
> Feel free to edit/improve.
While I know Reviewer Role is important in internal organization, I do not
feel like define it as a global "Fedora Localization Project" role.
Each team may chose have one, many, give them more or less importance and
combine it with other roles. It is a good practice to have one, but I do not
feel like mandatory to have your team working.
I would feel better just to add some hints about "Reviewing with Zanata" in
L10N/Guide.
By the way, as far as I know, "translated" strings are still pulled by
projects, whatever approved or not so we should present this as a non
mandatory action so little team do not waste resources approving string by
string.
--
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6:01 a.m.
Dear Coordinator, please remember to have a look at this proposal about
L10N Pillars and to respond it before sunday (september 25th) :
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.o...
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Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
10:38 a.m.
2016-09-11 17:25 GMT-03:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr>:
Dear coordinators,
We have two clear L10N roles :
* Contributor
* Team coordinator
I now suggest to clarify one last one, the role of the people having special
helping the global coordination.
This role is actually held by a few people : mainly by Noriko Mizumoto, but
maybe also Alex Aeng and Piotr Drąg?.
Why would I want to give them an "official title" ?
I want to have more description on the wiki about people to reach to
answer/solve wider problems/questions.
Typical use cases :
* I want to take coordinator role of a team but the previous coordinator do
not answer anymore
* I want to change content on Zanata (like groups, welcome page)
* I need administrator help on trans@ mailing list
* I need administrator help on FAS groups
* I want to add a new language
Those people are administrator of our tools, to help as superpower people
when coordinators are stuck.
This role is not in competition with the group decision management we have :
every coordinator has the possibility to assists G11N meetings and L10N
meetings, to share ideas, lead projects, organize events, improve process,
make communications.
I aim to keep the inverted pyramid logic and suggest ***L10N Pillars***.
Pillars < Coordinators < Translators.
Please give your feedback about this proposal before September 25th.
Btw, if this role is agreed, I will ask design team to make a little image
for each roles on the wiki.
It looks like a pillar is an admin. Why not admin ?
You still have the role developers for higher level needs.
k.r.
Domingo Becker (es)
10:49 a.m.
2016-09-19 17:38 GMT+02:00 Domingo Becker <domingobecker(a)gmail.com>:
It looks like a pillar is an admin. Why not admin ?
You still have the role developers for higher level needs.
I agree with Domingo. The simpler name is preferable, and admin seems
to fit the role perfectly.
Best regards,
--
Piotr Drąg
https://piotrdrag.fedorapeople.org
11:42 p.m.
Le 19/09/2016 à 18:49, Piotr Drąg a écrit :
2016-09-19 17:38 GMT+02:00 Domingo Becker
<domingobecker(a)gmail.com>:
> It looks like a pillar is an admin. Why not admin ?
>
> You still have the role developers for higher level needs.
>
I agree with Domingo. The simpler name is preferable, and admin seems
to fit the role perfectly.
Best regards,
Ok, we have an agreement for the content but not on the name.
I'm afraid I do not like "admin" :
* it may sounds "bureaucratic" or "technical",
* it doesn't bring any allusion to the great work needed to support
community activities,
* for a language focused team, shoudn't we be "a little" more
innovative in the word we use, aren't we people who love the words?
If someone ask me : "Hey, who is Noriko/Piotr/yourNameHere ? This name
is everywhere!". I want to answer something that is actually meaningful
to represent the involvement of the contributor.
Answering "Admin" is just gonna be understand has: the-guy-in-the-basement.
Pillars was in continuation of the inverted pyramid, we probably can add
more poetry if you wish.
--
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
8:04 a.m.
What about "Master Librarian" (The main person keeping an eye on all books
in the library, wise person, master of all knowledge) ?
On 29 September 2016 at 06:42, Jean-Baptiste <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr>
wrote:
Le 19/09/2016 à 18:49, Piotr Drąg a écrit :
> 2016-09-19 17:38 GMT+02:00 Domingo Becker <domingobecker(a)gmail.com>:
>
>> It looks like a pillar is an admin. Why not admin ?
>>
>> You still have the role developers for higher level needs.
>>
>>
> I agree with Domingo. The simpler name is preferable, and admin seems
> to fit the role perfectly.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
Ok, we have an agreement for the content but not on the name.
I'm afraid I do not like "admin" :
* it may sounds "bureaucratic" or "technical",
* it doesn't bring any allusion to the great work needed to support
community activities,
* for a language focused team, shoudn't we be "a little" more innovative
in the word we use, aren't we people who love the words?
If someone ask me : "Hey, who is Noriko/Piotr/yourNameHere ? This name is
everywhere!". I want to answer something that is actually meaningful to
represent the involvement of the contributor.
Answering "Admin" is just gonna be understand has: the-guy-in-the-basement.
Pillars was in continuation of the inverted pyramid, we probably can add
more poetry if you wish.
--
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
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1:11 a.m.
Here is my proposal, please have a look and correct it :
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Administrator
Not a lot of enthusiasm about a more interesting name, so
"administrator" will do the job.
I understand Piotr and Noriko have this role, if this is not complete,
do not hesitate to add some.
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