From your earlier reply, I thought you are asking for some external links with definition. :)

Please mention those problems. I think that will be good start to Form translation group as suggested by Zoltan in earlier reply. I would love to participate as a member of this group with you all :)

I am just opening up this for wider group for suggestion and feedback. Positive/Negative feedback are welcome. I think this is way we can learn and improve further.

Hello, I am a member of the team of russian-language localization, and a ambassador of fedora. my nickname redandrei. I'm interested in the spread of fedora, but do not understand the purpose of the project G11N. please give an external definition of "globalization." and if you can, a description of the need to apply it to the project fedora, in your own words. -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org

* http://blogs.adobe.com/globalization/2012/04/12/globalization-myth-series... * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Globalization_Proposal I believe above both link can answer your queries.

Hi, I think this is a good start to have a translation steering commitee, but myself I don't like the "globalization" name, but understand the purpose. Would be nicer to rename it to Translation Steering commitee - (TransCom, maybe).

I suggest to have a subdomain, and a portal like site under the fpo, where every translaton can get an common entrypoint of informations. Not only wiki links, and translation portal, else I think we should provide new entries, avallable resources, and deadlines - allowances, group creation methods, acceptance percentages, changes too.

> * > http://blogs.adobe.com/globalization/2012/04/12/globalization-myth-series... > * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Globalization_Proposal > > I believe above both link can answer your queries. > The fact that I, more recently, doing fedora localization into Russian. and of course I have read your wiki page, but besides the general, "marketing" phrases I could not see anything. what issues will decide this project? what are the goals for the project fedora. you can find the time to express their own vision and not to answer me a link 3 years ago?

I personally see the existing problems at the stage of localization

and you offer to the problems of old projects to add a new project. budget plan, assign positions. how it will solve the existing problems?

For this purpose and in line with [1], we were thinking of Fedora Globalization steering committee. I have created initial proposal for it. [2]

Its open for feedback, please feel free to share other active members, discuss in your respective language groups. This is just initial proposal and i am sure, we can improve and make it more effective with active participation.

> Please mention those problems. I think that will be good start to Form > translation group as suggested by Zoltan in earlier reply. > I would love to participate as a member of this group with you all :) a good start would be to solve the problems of localization, which I'll let you know if you do not know the current situation.

> I am just opening up this for wider group for suggestion and feedback. > Positive/Negative feedback are welcome. I think this is way we can > learn and improve further. hope mailing list has become open and not closed and only for "members of the mailing list" (and then somehow does not agree with your words "open" and "broader groups") and I, as a subscriber of your mailing list, no longer have to specifically ask you to publish my message.

and why our correspondence does not enter the discussion page? You're hiding something?

Lets use it for improving Fedora project.

You are not subscribed to G11N list yet. That is why those gets filtered out and once i get notification, i am approving it. Please subscribe to list and save me from manual administration [4] Its not my list, we have 4 members administrating it. [5]

Its Wiki, please feel free to add your feedback there. We don't want to lose your valuable feedback.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com <pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > On 16 December 2015 at 21:07, Patrick マルタインアンドレアス U > <puiterwijk(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote: >> Hi, >> >>> >>> For this purpose and in line with [1], we were thinking of Fedora >>> Globalization steering committee. I have created initial proposal for >>> it. [2] >> >> Would it instead be an idea to instead of forming a new committee next to the current Internationalization (i18n) >> Fedora subproject, extend that subproject to g11n? > > In fact i think that was idea earlier. I18n group is more active with > Fedora development life cycle. Merge two groups under G11N initiative > and synchronise plus points. i.e. More language experts in L10N and > more developers aligned with Fedora development life cycle in i18n. > > But after executing it for 6 months, i feel though there are few > points to synchronize, there are also number of different topics which > just required sub-group level attention. More L10N and more i18n > expertise. > > So rather than complete merge of activities, just collaborate on > common requirement points under G11N governance/committee group make > sense. I think that should be goal of G11N steering committee. As > given in proposal, it will have members from respective groups. > >> Otherwise, I would personally be a bit confused if I were to contribute to internationalization: would that be the >> i18n subproject, or the g11n subproject (which per definition as far as I understood includes i18n)? > > With new structure. We will have full fledges groups i18n, l10n, QE. > Issues required collaboration or higher level attention should get > handled by people with different expertise where G11N group comes into > picture. > >> >> I do agree that a steering committee directing this subproject would be a good idea, but I think that the proposal >> is a bit underspecified at this moment: "To drive Fedora globalization by providing governance and community >> activity support for Internationalization, Localization and Zanata group." is a very broad, marketing-sounding goal >> in my opinion, and not very clear. > > Agree. I think we need to work further on improving proposal. Added > sentence regarding its Draft status. :) > >> What kinds of things do we want the FGSCo to be governing? >> Would that be things like working with QE to add test cases/release criteria, get more contributors, organize >> events, ...? >> Probably best to expand a bit more, especially if you're also planning to raise funds. > > +1 I saw Localization steering committee objectives was very well > explained. [1] We need to further work on it. > >> >> Also, I am doubtful whether some of these goals are in order for the g11n team, especially: "Raising funds & Budget planning" >> and "Event planning in region/country". I think we should probably ask help from Ambassadors for these parts, since they >> are supposed to have experience with these kinds of things. And while I realize that a lot of g11n people might be ambassadors, >> I am not sure whether we need another committee responsible for all this. (note: this is based on some expectations from me regarding >> goals for this committee, see previous point). > > Good point. !! > For getting fund/budget for G11N activities, we need to work with > Council, Ambassadors/FAMSco group. I am active Ambassadors from last > one year and learned number of activities get planned during budgeting > process. G11N activities i.e. FAD, L10N sprints are presently missing > from it. > > Ambassadors are experts in there country and with the help of > Ambassadors we can try to grow L10N community in respective regions. > We can plan and organize events like L10N sprint specifically in APAC > regions, there is good scope to grow community with such activity. > > This is started happening already with different Ambassadors taking > active role in it. > >>> >>> Its open for feedback, please feel free to share other active members, >>> discuss in your respective language groups. This is just initial >>> proposal and i am sure, we can improve and make it more effective with >>> active participation. >> >> Thank you for getting this process in motion, would be great to see g11n gain more ground in Fedora! > > I will rather say thanks for support :) > In present situation G11N will become successful only when we will > have active L10N community, like we had during 2009. We already have > number of active members and i am sure with all, will find way to make > L10N again active. > > Regards, > Pravin Satpute I am admittedly not deeply involved in these *vital* parts of Fedora, but I would like to help where I can. Please keep me in the loop, as I'm happy to help with coordinating and communicating at the Council/FAMSCo level, as localization/internationalization/translation/globalization move forward together. Happy to help,

> I personally see the existing problems at the stage of localization Please mention those problems.

On 16 December 2015 at 15:57, Andrei Fediukov <user15092011(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> * >> http://blogs.adobe.com/globalization/2012/04/12/globalization-myth-series... >> * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Globalization_Proposal >> >> I believe above both link can answer your queries. >> > The fact that I, more recently, doing fedora localization into Russian. and > of course I have read your wiki page, but besides the general, "marketing" > phrases I could not see anything. > > what issues will decide this project? what are the goals for the project > fedora. you can find the time to express their own vision and not to answer > me a link 3 years ago? From your earlier reply, I thought you are asking for some external links with definition. :) > > I personally see the existing problems at the stage of localization Please mention those problems. I think that will be good start to Form translation group as suggested by Zoltan in earlier reply. I would love to participate as a member of this group with you all :) > and you > offer to the problems of old projects to add a new project. budget plan, > assign positions. how it will solve the existing problems? Please, its not only me. Rather the whole active group present At FAD thought there is need of FG governance group. We have created this proposal in Globalization FAD itself. [3] I am just opening up this for wider group for suggestion and feedback. Positive/Negative feedback are welcome. I think this is way we can learn and improve further. Again will be very helpful, if you can draft problems you think presently open somewhere or mention in mailing list itself with other thread. Regards, Pravin 3. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZaD... _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

Hi, I think this is a good start to have a translation steering commitee, but myself I don't like the "globalization" name, but understand the purpose. Would be nicer to rename it to Translation Steering commitee - (TransCom, maybe). I suggest to have a subdomain, and a portal like site under the fpo, where every translaton can get an common entrypoint of informations. Not only wiki links, and translation portal, else I think we should provide new entries, avallable resources, and deadlines - allowances, group creation methods, acceptance percentages, changes too.

Zoltan 2015-12-16 10:59 GMT+01:00 Andrei Fediukov <user15092011(a)gmail.com&gt;: > Hello, I am a member of the team of russian-language localization, and a > ambassador of fedora. my nickname redandrei. I'm interested in the spread of > fedora, but do not understand the purpose of the project G11N. > > please give an external definition of "globalization." and if you can, a > description of the need to apply it to the project fedora, in your own > words. > -- > trans mailing list > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org -- PGP: 06853DF7 _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org _______________________________________________ fltg mailing list -- fltg(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fltg-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fltg@lists.fedoraproject.org

Le 22/06/2020 à 08:28, Pravin Satpute a écrit : > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 6:33 AM Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz(a)gmail.com > <mailto:hopparz@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi, > > I think this is a good start to have a translation steering commitee, > but myself I don't like the "globalization" name, but understand the > purpose. Would be nicer to rename it to Translation Steering commitee > - (TransCom, maybe). > I suggest to have a subdomain, and a portal like site under the fpo, > where every translaton can get an common entrypoint of informations. > Not only wiki links, and translation portal, else I think we should > provide new entries, avallable resources, and deadlines - allowances, > group creation methods, acceptance percentages, changes too. > > > +1 > The Translation group has made very good progress. Zanata -> Weblate. > etc. and very active from the last 6-12 months. Thanks to > Jean-Baptiste for driving many things. > Need to keep momentum up !! Very few people attended the last meetings, my feeling is that we have no real tasks for newcomers, except translating, which doesn't require to attend any kind of meeting. Fedora docs internationalization and translation platform migrations are really complex things to start with. An we already know any internationalization related subject is complex because of the related technologies that are out of reach of non-dev workers. Fedora mindset is upstream firsts, which means we don't have much end-user applications to translate, which probably is a priority for translators. I like the idea of having a space for us, what about creating a real documentation space? I created a mockup there: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/localization/ It is easy to update, publish and translate. I would also love to see article, about current status of language support, but it is difficult to find active people for rare languages. Could we run interviews? I'm of course interested in languages with small communities (Africa, Asia, Russia, endangered languages, ...). We could organize translations focus? Like: this month, let's fix this kind of errors detected by Weblate in our projects. About the name, I like the way LibreOffice calls it "Native language", which makes it broader than just translation: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language (note, we once had Fedora Language Testing group ;)). This could make a good agenda, what do you think? * documentation for contributors * communication * community activities promotion and organization * name of the group (which may impact the name of our documentation, but that's easy to change)

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project fedora broked stable ask.fedora service, wiki, docs... this is ruined at now. zanata, webalate... - which iteration it is? at this time many non-structured resources exist simultaneously and you all speak about new changes! maybe enough? Let's fix existing resources? Why does the current main wiki page not have a language switch? where are entry points to existing committees and resources? at another web resource I've read by chance Cris Murphy offered to change to GNU Nano editor as default editor. where are entry points to these materials and these proposals? where the entry points to https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/ and other materials? you are talking about localizations but actually fedora project has no entry points for newcomers - all you activity it is creating endless groups and committees - it is not for new contributors. and making new ubuntu from fedora this is not right way. Where is the graphical map for all existing fedora resources?

and @pravin.d.s - I remember you - you initiated "globalization" by taking a sample from the old dead end project, and I talked to you about it several years ago.

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