Hello everyone, I found out that two people had been in zh_CN L10n team on Zanata without the coordinator's action. I thought that only the coordinator can make this action. ==== One of them was mentioned here[1]. The reason that I didn't approve their request are: 1. They didn't make self-introduction on both trans and trans-zh_CN mailing lists. 2. I tried to search in both archives for their self-introduction in case of they might introduces themselves before, but I found nothing. 3. They didn't reply to me about this, then I decided to wait. But now he is a translator and reviewer of zh_CN translation team. The other of them is more active, I know he is a developer of Zanata. Neither does he is a member of trans-zh_cn mailing list, nor does he tried to subscribe the list and made self introduction on both of the lists, now he is a member of zh_CN translation team on Zanata too. ==== I am curious how did they succeed to do this without the coordinator's action? Would they mind to share their procedure to us? In my opinion, this may happens in four possible ways: 1. My Zanata account is compromised, and someone used my privilege to approve this. 2. The Zanata system may have flaws, and someone used it. 3. A super coordinator/administrator exists in Zanata, and he/she manually did it. 4. Aliens did it. So dear all team coordinators, please check your team's member list to see if someone joined in without your approve. If none, then the 2nd is not the possible way. For the 1st possibility, I hope that the zanata team can help me to check my account activity, login IP addresses, time or what else, to make sure that my account is safe. For the 3rd possibility, the Zanata team must know the answer. So please tell us. And for the 4th possibility, I don't know what to do. ==== This kind of behaviour is unfair to other contributors, cause they all followed the rules and spent their time to introduce themselves to us. This kind of behaviour is breaking the community rules. We welcome contributors, but they should obey the community rules and follow the necessary procedures[2]. By the way, the first one I mentioned above is one of the owner of trans-zh_cn mailing list, so maybe I am wrong, maybe the originals have some prerogative. But none of them replied to me here to explain something[1]. So I hope you guys can help me to find out what have happened. Many thanks. [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.o... [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata -- -- Regards, Tian Shixiong Fedora Project Contributor -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org

On 2016年08月04日 08:33, Patrick Huang wrote: > Hi Tian, > > I will answer this question. > > The two new members are Red Hat internal translators and Ding-Yi Chen > (the email originator in [1]) is a developer of Zanata. In Zanata, there > is a "admin" role exists that can perform any actions. I think one of > the admins has granted them the privilege. I agree with you that this > behavior is not appropriate and I will make sure to let all the admin > know not to perform such action in the future. Meanwhile I will let the > two translators know and ask them to follow up the procedure. Sorry > about the confusion. Hi Patrick I strictly have asked Zanata team to limit granting 'admin' role only to noriko and Piotr in order to avoid exactly this type problem. Therefore I understand there are only two 'admin's, noriko and Piotr, and we both do NOT grant the priviledge unless we confirm no coordinator or coordinator inactive. I have requested Zanata team to investigate this matter. noriko > > Regards, > Patrick > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:11 AM, tiansworld > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:tiansworld@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I found out that two people had been in zh_CN L10n team on Zanata > without the coordinator's action. I thought that only the > coordinator can make this action. > > ==== > One of them was mentioned here[1]. The reason that I didn't approve > their request are: > 1. They didn't make self-introduction on both trans and trans-zh_CN > mailing lists. > 2. I tried to search in both archives for their self-introduction in > case of they might introduces themselves before, but I found nothing. > 3. They didn't reply to me about this, then I decided to wait. > But now he is a translator and reviewer of zh_CN translation team. > > The other of them is more active, I know he is a developer of > Zanata. Neither does he is a member of trans-zh_cn mailing list, nor > does he tried to subscribe the list and made self introduction on > both of the lists, now he is a member of zh_CN translation team on > Zanata too. > > ==== > I am curious how did they succeed to do this without the > coordinator's action? > Would they mind to share their procedure to us? > > In my opinion, this may happens in four possible ways: > 1. My Zanata account is compromised, and someone used my privilege > to approve this. > 2. The Zanata system may have flaws, and someone used it. > 3. A super coordinator/administrator exists in Zanata, and he/she > manually did it. > 4. Aliens did it. > > So dear all team coordinators, please check your team's member list > to see if someone joined in without your approve. If none, then the > 2nd is not the possible way. > > For the 1st possibility, I hope that the zanata team can help me to > check my account activity, login IP addresses, time or what else, to > make sure that my account is safe. > > For the 3rd possibility, the Zanata team must know the answer. So > please tell us. > > And for the 4th possibility, I don't know what to do. > > ==== > This kind of behaviour is unfair to other contributors, cause they > all followed the rules and spent their time to introduce themselves > to us. > This kind of behaviour is breaking the community rules. > > We welcome contributors, but they should obey the community rules > and follow the necessary procedures[2]. > > By the way, the first one I mentioned above is one of the owner of > trans-zh_cn mailing list, so maybe I am wrong, maybe the originals > have some prerogative. But none of them replied to me here to > explain something[1]. > > So I hope you guys can help me to find out what have happened. > Many thanks. > > [1] > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.o... > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata > > -- > -- > Regards, > > Tian Shixiong > Fedora Project Contributor > > -- > trans mailing list > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:trans@lists.fedoraproject.org> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > > -- > Patrick Huang > Senior Software Engineer > Engineering - Internationalisation > Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd > Level 1, 193 North Quay > Brisbane 4000 > Office: +61 7 3514 8278 > Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 > IRC: pahuang > github: github.com/huangp <http://github.com/huangp> > Website: www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com> > > > -- > trans mailing list > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org

I've updated the list by removing translator and reviewer role from 'xhuang', however I can't see 'tfu' in the list and assuming he has been removed.

Tiansworld, You are the one approved me in the team. Alex ENG

Fyi the mail It was back in 2015 just in case you can't find

Hi Tiansworld I can see you let Alex in :-) What missing here is that Alex sent self-intro to trans at list but unfortunately forgot to do so to local mailing list. That's it. noriko