2015-10-24 18:32 GMT+02:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com&gt;: > Howdy, > > I have not looked close at fedora.zanata.org lately, and it seems now > zanata shows strings with singular/plural forms in *one* textbox in > its online editor, as in screenshot [1]. I am wondering what is the > right way to translate them? I tried to search through the zanata > docs, but cannot find it. Hope someone can point out for me. Thanks! > > [1] http://susepaste.org/83191113 Hi Alick, You'd need to actually check in the source if the mix of singular and plural form are handled. Zanata does present the two alternatives when the code for the translated messages does handle it.

----- Original Message ----- > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Jérôme Fenal <jfenal(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > 2015-10-24 18:32 GMT+02:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com&gt;: > >> Howdy, > >> > >> I have not looked close at fedora.zanata.org lately, and it seems now > >> zanata shows strings with singular/plural forms in *one* textbox in > >> its online editor, as in screenshot [1]. I am wondering what is the > >> right way to translate them? I tried to search through the zanata > >> docs, but cannot find it. Hope someone can point out for me. Thanks! > >> > >> [1] http://susepaste.org/83191113 > > > > Hi Alick, > > > > You'd need to actually check in the source if the mix of singular and > > plural form are handled. > > > > Zanata does present the two alternatives when the code for the > > translated messages does handle it. > > > > Yes, I do see the two alternatives with two radio buttons. My question > is: How to translate both two strings in one entry box? Should I first > translate the first one, then press the second radio button, and then > translate the second one? The warning messages appear when I tried to > do these, so I am not quite sure what is the right thing to do... If you translates string from the language with plural (e.g. English) to the language without plural (e.g. Chinese). Normally you only need to translate the singular (the first) string. The radio buttons there are merely for copy from source string.

----- Original Message ----- > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Ding Yi Chen <dchen(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Jérôme Fenal <jfenal(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> > 2015-10-24 18:32 GMT+02:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com&gt;: > >> >> Howdy, > >> >> > >> >> I have not looked close at fedora.zanata.org lately, and it seems now > >> >> zanata shows strings with singular/plural forms in *one* textbox in > >> >> its online editor, as in screenshot [1]. I am wondering what is the > >> >> right way to translate them? I tried to search through the zanata > >> >> docs, but cannot find it. Hope someone can point out for me. Thanks! > >> >> > >> >> [1] http://susepaste.org/83191113 > >> > > >> > Hi Alick, > >> > > >> > You'd need to actually check in the source if the mix of singular and > >> > plural form are handled. > >> > > >> > Zanata does present the two alternatives when the code for the > >> > translated messages does handle it. > >> > > >> > >> Yes, I do see the two alternatives with two radio buttons. My question > >> is: How to translate both two strings in one entry box? Should I first > >> translate the first one, then press the second radio button, and then > >> translate the second one? The warning messages appear when I tried to > >> do these, so I am not quite sure what is the right thing to do... > > > > If you translates string from the language with plural (e.g. English) > > to the language without plural (e.g. Chinese). > > > > Normally you only need to translate the singular (the first) string. > > The radio buttons there are merely for copy from source string. > > Well, I guess Chinese do have singular/plural differences in a sense. > For example, > > Last week --> 上周 > > {0:d} weeks ago --> （数字）周前 Please warn the gnome-abrt upstream the way they handle plural will break the languages where the first form is not one. [1] For example, French's "singular" form includes 0 and 1 (while in English, 0 is plural). So if function outputs 0, the French equivalent of "Last Week" will be used, which may be wrong. And as for Chinese, the thing you translated become msgstr[0] "上周\n" "\n" "{0:d} 周前" a three-lined string no matter what function returned. If the function returns 1, user will see: 上周 1 周前 If the function return 3, user will see: 上周 3 周前 If the upstream does not fix it in time, I suggest you go with {0:d} weeks ago --> {0:d} 周前 Reference: 1. http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/language_plural_ru... > > -- > Regards, > Alick > -- > trans mailing list > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans -- Ding-Yi Chen Software Engineer Globalization Group DID: +61 7 3514 8239 Email: dchen(a)redhat.com Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8100 Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 Website: www.redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Facebook: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat Japan | Red Hat Korea | JBoss APAC Twitter: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat ANZ LinkedIn: Red Hat APAC | JBoss APAC -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans

Hi, I reported it to gnome-abrt upstream with a comment on a relevant issue: https://github.com/abrt/gnome-abrt/issues/112 However, it seems to me what they have done with `ngettext` is correct. Here in this case, we do not need to worry the number is 0 since it will not happen: https://github.com/abrt/gnome-abrt/pull/118/files The real problem I face is I cannot find how to translate these strings with singular/plural forms on zanata's online editor. Is it only possible with offline po editor? On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Ding Yi Chen <dchen(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Ding Yi Chen <dchen(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Jérôme Fenal <jfenal(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >> > 2015-10-24 18:32 GMT+02:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com&gt;: >> >> >> Howdy, >> >> >> >> >> >> I have not looked close at fedora.zanata.org lately, and it seems now >> >> >> zanata shows strings with singular/plural forms in *one* textbox in >> >> >> its online editor, as in screenshot [1]. I am wondering what is the >> >> >> right way to translate them? I tried to search through the zanata >> >> >> docs, but cannot find it. Hope someone can point out for me. Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> [1] http://susepaste.org/83191113 >> >> > >> >> > Hi Alick, >> >> > >> >> > You'd need to actually check in the source if the mix of singular and >> >> > plural form are handled. >> >> > >> >> > Zanata does present the two alternatives when the code for the >> >> > translated messages does handle it. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Yes, I do see the two alternatives with two radio buttons. My question >> >> is: How to translate both two strings in one entry box? Should I first >> >> translate the first one, then press the second radio button, and then >> >> translate the second one? The warning messages appear when I tried to >> >> do these, so I am not quite sure what is the right thing to do... >> > >> > If you translates string from the language with plural (e.g. English) >> > to the language without plural (e.g. Chinese). >> > >> > Normally you only need to translate the singular (the first) string. >> > The radio buttons there are merely for copy from source string. >> >> Well, I guess Chinese do have singular/plural differences in a sense. >> For example, >> >> Last week --> 上周 >> >> {0:d} weeks ago --> （数字）周前 > > Please warn the gnome-abrt upstream the way they handle plural will break the languages where > the first form is not one. [1] > > For example, French's "singular" form includes 0 and 1 (while in English, 0 is plural). > So if function outputs 0, the French equivalent of "Last Week" will be used, which may be wrong. > > And as for Chinese, the thing you translated become > msgstr[0] "上周\n" > "\n" > "{0:d} 周前" > > a three-lined string no matter what function returned. > > If the function returns 1, user will see: > 上周 > > 1 周前 > > If the function return 3, user will see: > 上周 > > 3 周前 > > > If the upstream does not fix it in time, I suggest you go with > > {0:d} weeks ago --> {0:d} 周前 > > > Reference: > 1. http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/language_plural_ru... > >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Alick >> -- >> trans mailing list >> trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans > > -- > Ding-Yi Chen > Software Engineer > Globalization Group > DID: +61 7 3514 8239 > Email: dchen(a)redhat.com > > Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd > Level 1, 193 North Quay > Brisbane 4000 > Office: +61 7 3514 8100 > Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 > Website: www.redhat.com > > Red Hat, Inc. > Facebook: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat Japan | Red Hat Korea | JBoss APAC > Twitter: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat ANZ > LinkedIn: Red Hat APAC | JBoss APAC > -- > trans mailing list > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans -- Regards, Alick -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans

Howdy, I have not looked close at fedora.zanata.org lately, and it seems now zanata shows strings with singular/plural forms in *one* textbox in its online editor, as in screenshot [1]. I am wondering what is the right way to translate them? I tried to search through the zanata docs, but cannot find it. Hope someone can point out for me. Thanks! [1] http://susepaste.org/83191113 Regards, Alick -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans