From eugen at leitl.org Fri Jun 5 16:14:52 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6419286316082364623==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Eugen Leitl To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: fc5: install everything? Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:46:15 +0200 Message-ID: <20060509144615.GG26713@leitl.org> In-Reply-To: 1147182076.28040.14.camel@mccallum.corsepiu.local --===============6419286316082364623== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 03:41:15PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > I don't know which packages and libraries I'm going to need tomorro= w. > > > = > > > You never need to explicitly ask for libraries unless you are a > > > developer. yum will find them. Really? yum install vmd? yum install gamess? yum install gromacs? yum insta= ll namd? yum install mmtk? yum install openbabel? Funny, yum finds jack. = > > And for your users that *are* developers??? > = > They *know* what they need. You're engaging in wishful thinking. I'm not a developer, yet I fix bugs and build things from source when it's not in the depositories. I don't have the time to resolve the dependencies manually, hence I need a system where almost everything is already there. There's = no sharp boundary between users and developers in FLOSSland. Get used to it. You're still not getting it. I'm a yet another user asking for an option wh= ich used to be there. Don't tell me what I need. I know far better what I need that you do. I don't claim to speak for you, either. = If developers don't care enough to occasionally send someone to skim the li= st archives for user-reported design flaws and improvement suggestions I have no trouble with that. I have several alternative distros and, yes, proprietary systems to turn to. The usage pattern comes and goes. FC5 is reasonably close to a useful system as RatHed goes, but it's still a far shot to Win XP or OS X. The UI being hokey and slow is the = largest culprit -- I'm hanging in for GL hardware acceleration. Maybe it will be enough, maybe I need a faster CPU. Long-term, kick out X and give us something rendering as cleanly as ClearTy= pe, and it's getting close to an ideal system. Maybe another 5-10 years, and we'll be there. = -- = Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --===============6419286316082364623== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuNC4yLjIgKEdO VS9MaW51eCkKCmlEOERCUUZFWUtzM2RiQWtRNHNwOXI0UkFzTHRBS0NUU1lHOUZDZzJ0RlhocDBX akhLaCtjKzUwMHdDZ2l5OW8KVGtEaUdPWEVNR2dsZ2lYOHc4UFlqUzQ9Cj1Kd3IxCi0tLS0tRU5E IFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQo= --===============6419286316082364623==--