12:19 p.m.
Hi,
I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB
keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't
work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in
GNOME Calculator really.
Thanks,
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Chris Murphy
12:29 p.m.
On 16/05/17 11:19, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi,
I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB
keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't
work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in
GNOME Calculator really.
It might sound silly but does it have a NumLock-key that needs to be
pressed?
Niels
12:33 p.m.
On 05/17/2016 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi,
I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB
keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't
work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in
GNOME Calculator really.
Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try
toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as
cursor control.
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4:35 p.m.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens <ricks(a)alldigital.com> wrote:
On 05/17/2016 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB
> keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't
> work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
>
> I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in
> GNOME Calculator really.
Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try
toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as
cursor control.
The keyboard does not have a numlock key.
--
Chris Murphy
7:31 p.m.
On 05/17/2016 02:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens
<ricks(a)alldigital.com> wrote:
> Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try
> toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as
> cursor control.
The keyboard does not have a numlock key.
Are you really sure? I've never seen a keyboard without a numlock key,
but sometimes it's somewhat hidden. But besides that, I think the
numlock state is global, so as Rick suggested, try turning on the
numlock on the laptop keyboard. However, be aware that turning on
numlock will probably mess up your laptop keyboard as they usually have
the number pad overlaying the right side of the keyboard.
9:09 p.m.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net> wrote:
On 05/17/2016 02:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens <ricks(a)alldigital.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try
>> toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as
>> cursor control.
>
>
>
> The keyboard does not have a numlock key.
>
Are you really sure? I've never seen a keyboard without a numlock key, but
sometimes it's somewhat hidden.
I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's
hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two,
none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as
being numlock.
But besides that, I think the numlock state
is global, so as Rick suggested, try turning on the numlock on the laptop
keyboard.
There is no numlock key on the laptop keyboard.
However, be aware that turning on numlock will probably mess up
your laptop keyboard as they usually have the number pad overlaying the
right side of the keyboard.
This sounds like a relic of a bygone era that I'm running into.
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Chris Murphy
9:17 p.m.
On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If
it's
hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two,
none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as
being numlock.
Do you have a brand name and/or model number? If so, it might be worth
trying a little googlemancy.
10:04 a.m.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us> wrote:
On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's
> hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two,
> none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as
> being numlock.
Do you have a brand name and/or model number? If so, it might be worth
trying a little googlemancy.
It's an Apple keyboard, maybe six years old but I don't ever recall
seeing an Apple keyboard with numlock because there was never such a
thing as navigation by keypad on Macs.
https://goo.gl/photos/AXNSYdsd91S49kb97
--
Chris Murphy
11:11 a.m.
On 05/18/2016 08:04 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us> wrote:
> On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's
>> hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two,
>> none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as
>> being numlock.
>
>
> Do you have a brand name and/or model number? If so, it might be worth
> trying a little googlemancy.
It's an Apple keyboard, maybe six years old but I don't ever recall
seeing an Apple keyboard with numlock because there was never such a
thing as navigation by keypad on Macs.
https://goo.gl/photos/AXNSYdsd91S49kb97
Now that would have been very useful to mention right at the start.
Apple hardware tends to be "different". And I would have understood the
lack of numlock. :-)
9:23 p.m.
On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net>
wrote:
> On 05/17/2016 02:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens <ricks(a)alldigital.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try
>>> toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as
>>> cursor control.
>>
>>
>>
>> The keyboard does not have a numlock key.
>>
> Are you really sure? I've never seen a keyboard without a numlock key, but
> sometimes it's somewhat hidden.
I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's
hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two,
none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as
being numlock.
The external keyboard is a full keyboard and doesn't have a numlock key
or it's just the number pad? Try installing the numlockx package and
see if that helps. On my laptop, using that program to turn on the
numlock does not affect the embedded number pad on my laptop the same
way as using the numlock key, but maybe it will work for your external one.
2:54 a.m.
On 05/17/2016 07:23 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's
> hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two,
> none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as
> being numlock.
>
The external keyboard is a full keyboard and doesn't have a numlock key
or it's just the number pad? Try installing the numlockx package and
see if that helps. On my laptop, using that program to turn on the
numlock does not affect the embedded number pad on my laptop the same
way as using the numlock key, but maybe it will work for your external one.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a USB full keyboard right now, so I used
a PS/2 keyboard through a USB converter. There were some odd issues
with the numlock on it, but I was still able to get the answers I was
looking for.
The capslock and numlock states are global. Change it on one keyboard
and all keyboards get updated and function accordingly. Except the
laptop keyboard apparently does some internal magic and will only switch
the overlayed numpad if the numlock on the laptop keyboard is used. But
if I use the laptop numlock key, then the number pad on the external
keyboard is switched as well. Using a USB number pad, the numlock state
has no effect on it as expected.
In summary, that numlockx program should solve your problem although I'm
still very confused that you have a full keyboard with a number pad but
no numlock key... Any chance of a photo?
10:16 a.m.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net> wrote:
The external keyboard is a full keyboard and doesn't have a
numlock key or
it's just the number pad? Try installing the numlockx package and see if
that helps.
That did the trick *and* the rest of the keyboard, and the laptop
keyboard, function normally. So I kinda wonder why this isn't the
default in GNOME. Ha, I'll file a bug and find out what happens.
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Chris Murphy
11:29 a.m.
On 05/18/2016 08:16 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net>
wrote:
> The external keyboard is a full keyboard and doesn't have a numlock key or
> it's just the number pad? Try installing the numlockx package and see if
> that helps.
That did the trick *and* the rest of the keyboard, and the laptop
keyboard, function normally. So I kinda wonder why this isn't the
default in GNOME. Ha, I'll file a bug and find out what happens.
On desktops, the default is numlock on. For most laptops, having the
numlock default on would be a disaster as the number pad is overlayed on
the rest of the keyboard. Add numlockx to your X (Gnome?) startup list.
In case you don't know, just add a .desktop file in .config/autostart
for it.
11:34 p.m.
On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 17:31 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
besides that, I think the numlock state is global
Not on my (out-of-date) systems. I have full keyboards, laptops without
numberpads, and an external USB numberpad. None of them have any affect
on the external numberpad when I play with the NumLock key, and that's
how it should be. Any modifiers should only affect their own keyboard.
Personally, I see absolutely no value in turning a numberpad into a
second set of cursor controls, when the keyboard has dedicated sets of
keys for those functions (cursor LRUD, home/end, page up/down, INS/DEL).
It's duplicating something that's already there, and set-out better, and
removing a useful feature (a sensibly organised numberpad).
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to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists.
George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
2:47 a.m.
On 05/17/2016 09:34 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 17:31 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> besides that, I think the numlock state is global
Not on my (out-of-date) systems. I have full keyboards, laptops without
numberpads, and an external USB numberpad. None of them have any affect
on the external numberpad when I play with the NumLock key, and that's
how it should be. Any modifiers should only affect their own keyboard.
My understanding is that he is using a full keyboard that has a number
pad, not a standalone number pad.
6:05 a.m.
On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 00:47 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
My understanding is that he is using a full keyboard that has a
number
pad, not a standalone number pad.
Ah, I was misreading keyboard WITH a numberpad as keyboard AND a
numberpad.
--
tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists.
George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
4:39 p.m.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens <ricks(a)alldigital.com> wrote:
On 05/17/2016 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB
> keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't
> work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
>
> I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in
> GNOME Calculator really.
Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try
toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as
cursor control.
Hmmm, the numbers are indeed acting as navigation control in a gedit document.
So what I need is a software numlock. Maybe some kind of conf file setting.
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Chris Murphy
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