9:37 a.m.
My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
mouse freezes as well.
The only option available then is to press the reset button to reboot
the system.
There doesn't appear to be any specific application that causes the
freeze. It typically happens when I have a largish number of
applications open at once (say: Firefox, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Pidgin,
Terminal, Putty), but I could be working in any one of the applications.
This problem has been happening since I installed F7 soon after the
official release. So I have seen this behavior with at least three
kernels (including the last release a few days ago).
My system spec:
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
- Video card: Asus EN7900GS
- kernel.x86_64 2.6.21-1.3228
All currently available F7 updates installed.
Are there any known issues that may be causing this? If not, should I
be reporting it as a bug?
Regards,
Langdon
10:38 a.m.
On Monday 18 June 2007 16:37:05 Langdon Stevenson wrote:
My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
mouse freezes as well.
The only option available then is to press the reset button to reboot
the system.
There doesn't appear to be any specific application that causes the
freeze. It typically happens when I have a largish number of
applications open at once (say: Firefox, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Pidgin,
Terminal, Putty), but I could be working in any one of the applications.
This problem has been happening since I installed F7 soon after the
official release. So I have seen this behavior with at least three
kernels (including the last release a few days ago).
My system spec:
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
- Video card: Asus EN7900GS
- kernel.x86_64 2.6.21-1.3228
All currently available F7 updates installed.
Are there any known issues that may be causing this? If not, should I
be reporting it as a bug?
Regards,
Langdon
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10:57 a.m.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 12:37:05AM +1000, Langdon Stevenson wrote:
My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
mouse freezes as well.
Have you successfully run other Linux disties on this hardware? Try,
e.g. Ubunutu 7.04, from a live CD.
A few more things to try....
Try using different applications. Use Konqueror instead of Firefox,
etc.
Run memtest86 overnight. If that locks up, you probably have a
motherboard or RAM problem.
Set up an SSH log-in for the system, and have that running. Then when
the display locks up, if the system is still active, it's probably a
video driver issue. top, ps, /var/log/messages and other tools may
give you some hints. Then, can you gracefully shut X down?
From what I see here, I think filing a bug is premature. You don't yet
know the component to file against, and without a definite cause a bug
report is not very useful.
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11:18 a.m.
Charles Curley wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 12:37:05AM +1000, Langdon Stevenson wrote:
> My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
> freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
> windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
> mouse freezes as well.
>
Have you successfully run other Linux disties on this hardware? Try,
e.g. Ubunutu 7.04, from a live CD.
A few more things to try....
Try using different applications. Use Konqueror instead of Firefox,
etc.
Run memtest86 overnight. If that locks up, you probably have a
motherboard or RAM problem.
Set up an SSH log-in for the system, and have that running. Then when
the display locks up, if the system is still active, it's probably a
video driver issue. top, ps, /var/log/messages and other tools may
give you some hints. Then, can you gracefully shut X down?
From what I see here, I think filing a bug is premature. You don't yet
know the component to file against, and without a definite cause a bug
report is not very useful.
I am experiencing the same problem on my old but trusty HP OB6000
laptop, P3 600MHz
- This platform has previously run FC4, 5 and 6 with no problems.
- This FC7 was a full install, not an upgrade.
- I have turned on full kernel logging and no event is recorded. It just
stops, cursor freezes.
Hard power reset required.
- Seems to be associated with updates. In other words, either a little
after or during
an update session, the system just freezes up. It seems that whenever
I refrain from
updating, I do not have a problem.
Philip
12:39 p.m.
Philip Walden wrote:
Charles Curley wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 12:37:05AM +1000, Langdon Stevenson wrote:
>
>> My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
>> freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
>> windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after,
>> the mouse freezes as well.
>>
>
> Have you successfully run other Linux disties on this hardware? Try,
> e.g. Ubunutu 7.04, from a live CD.
>
> A few more things to try....
>
> Try using different applications. Use Konqueror instead of Firefox,
> etc.
>
> Run memtest86 overnight. If that locks up, you probably have a
> motherboard or RAM problem.
>
> Set up an SSH log-in for the system, and have that running. Then when
> the display locks up, if the system is still active, it's probably a
> video driver issue. top, ps, /var/log/messages and other tools may
> give you some hints. Then, can you gracefully shut X down?
>
> From what I see here, I think filing a bug is premature. You don't yet
> know the component to file against, and without a definite cause a bug
> report is not very useful.
>
I am experiencing the same problem on my old but trusty HP OB6000
laptop, P3 600MHz
- This platform has previously run FC4, 5 and 6 with no problems.
- This FC7 was a full install, not an upgrade.
- I have turned on full kernel logging and no event is recorded. It
just stops, cursor freezes.
Hard power reset required.
- Seems to be associated with updates. In other words, either a little
after or during
an update session, the system just freezes up. It seems that whenever
I refrain from
updating, I do not have a problem.
Philip
Same here. I have seen my FC freeze when I have multiple applications
open. One of the things that I noticed though, it froze only when the
system was idle .. such as when I would be working on something else. i
see that the screen is blank and then I move the mouse, the next thing I
know is that the system is frozen, i can move only the mouse and I need
to do a hard reboot to bring back the system.
And I have never had these issue with FC 4,5,6
later,
Rogue
1:58 p.m.
My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
mouse freezes as well.
The only option available then is to press the reset button to reboot
the system.
There doesn't appear to be any specific application that causes the
freeze. It typically happens when I have a largish number of
applications open at once (say: Firefox, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Pidgin,
Terminal, Putty), but I could be working in any one of the applications.
This problem has been happening since I installed F7 soon after the
official release. So I have seen this behavior with at least three
kernels (including the last release a few days ago).
My system spec:
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
- Video card: Asus EN7900GS
- kernel.x86_64 2.6.21-1.3228
All currently available F7 updates installed.
Are there any known issues that may be causing this? If not, should I
be reporting it as a bug?
Regards,
Langdon
Langdon,
I have the same problem, also with F7 on an x86_64 system. I've tried all
the development kernels for F7, I also tried the i386 version of F7, and I
even tried going back to the current FC6 kernel and no luck, the system
still crashes. Nothing comes out on the console (using a serial console)
occasionally I'll get an entry in /var/log/mcelog but they did not
coincide with the system crash.
This system ran stable as a rock on FC6 and as of last night I went back
to FC6. When reinstalling the system I reformatted all the partitions
except for /home.
The system is an Intel DG965RY motherboard and a Pentium D processor.
Just to make sure something didn't happen to the system between the
upgrades I ran for 9+ hrs memtest86 v3.3, it found no errors.
Jeff
3:12 p.m.
On June 18, 2007 12:58:33 Jeffrey Ross wrote:
> My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit
of
> freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
> windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
> mouse freezes as well.
>
> The only option available then is to press the reset button to reboot
> the system.
>
> There doesn't appear to be any specific application that causes the
> freeze. It typically happens when I have a largish number of
> applications open at once (say: Firefox, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Pidgin,
> Terminal, Putty), but I could be working in any one of the applications.
>
> This problem has been happening since I installed F7 soon after the
> official release. So I have seen this behavior with at least three
> kernels (including the last release a few days ago).
>
> My system spec:
>
> - CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
> - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
> - Video card: Asus EN7900GS
> - kernel.x86_64 2.6.21-1.3228
>
> All currently available F7 updates installed.
>
> Are there any known issues that may be causing this? If not, should I
> be reporting it as a bug?
>
> Regards,
> Langdon
Langdon,
I have the same problem, also with F7 on an x86_64 system. I've tried all
the development kernels for F7, I also tried the i386 version of F7, and I
even tried going back to the current FC6 kernel and no luck, the system
still crashes. Nothing comes out on the console (using a serial console)
occasionally I'll get an entry in /var/log/mcelog but they did not
coincide with the system crash.
This system ran stable as a rock on FC6 and as of last night I went back
to FC6. When reinstalling the system I reformatted all the partitions
except for /home.
The system is an Intel DG965RY motherboard and a Pentium D processor.
Just to make sure something didn't happen to the system between the
upgrades I ran for 9+ hrs memtest86 v3.3, it found no errors.
Jeff
I have this problem, too. I had assumed it had something to do with either:
-using the experimental 'intel' display driver in xorg.conf;
-using the experimental accel method 'EXA' in xorg.conf; or
-setting the use of transparency and shadows in KDE Control Centre.
Apparently, the problem is another...?
9:35 p.m.
On 19/06/07, Langdon Stevenson <langdon(a)lindenrow.com.au> wrote:
My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
mouse freezes as well.
The only option available then is to press the reset button to reboot
the system.
There doesn't appear to be any specific application that causes the
freeze. It typically happens when I have a largish number of
applications open at once (say: Firefox, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Pidgin,
Terminal, Putty), but I could be working in any one of the applications.
This problem has been happening since I installed F7 soon after the
official release. So I have seen this behavior with at least three
kernels (including the last release a few days ago).
My system spec:
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
- Video card: Asus EN7900GS
- kernel.x86_64 2.6.21-1.3228
All currently available F7 updates installed.
Are there any known issues that may be causing this? If not, should I
be reporting it as a bug?
Regards,
Langdon
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Have you tried running with the noapic kernel boot option ? I have had
the same problem with FC6 and FC7 on my Compaq Presario V6107AU
notebook. The only way I could get the freezes to stop ( and the
install to work ) is with "noapic".
3:36 a.m.
| From: Langdon Stevenson <langdon(a)lindenrow.com.au>
| My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of freezing two
| or three times per day when I am working.
Your symptoms are non-specific: lots of diseases have the same
symptom. So you need more information.
You can read a few of my messages to the list about things to try.
- when a lock-up happens, try to ssh in from another computer. If you
can, then it isn't a kernel crash
- boot with kernel parameter "maxcpus=1". This may suppress the
problem. Not a great long-term solution because you lose the use of
one of your cores.
- use a serial console to discover what's bugging your system
- use kdump and clash(8) to grab a dump when the kernel crashes and
then analyze that dump.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-June/msg03592.html
11:32 a.m.
D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
| From: Langdon Stevenson <langdon(a)lindenrow.com.au>
| My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of freezing two
| or three times per day when I am working.
Your symptoms are non-specific: lots of diseases have the same
symptom. So you need more information.
You can read a few of my messages to the list about things to try.
- when a lock-up happens, try to ssh in from another computer. If you
can, then it isn't a kernel crash
I will try this next time. I verified that I can do this when the laptop
is healthy
- boot with kernel parameter "maxcpus=1". This may
suppress the
problem. Not a great long-term solution because you lose the use of
one of your cores.
In my case, this makes no sense as it is a 32bit single processor.
- use a serial console to discover what's bugging your system
- use kdump and clash(8) to grab a dump when the kernel crashes and
then analyze that dump.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-June/msg03592.html
Thanks for the reference.
Philip
11:09 p.m.
Philip Walden wrote:
D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> | From: Langdon Stevenson <langdon(a)lindenrow.com.au>
>
> | My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
> freezing two
> | or three times per day when I am working.
>
> Your symptoms are non-specific: lots of diseases have the same
> symptom. So you need more information.
>
> You can read a few of my messages to the list about things to try.
>
> - when a lock-up happens, try to ssh in from another computer. If you
> can, then it isn't a kernel crash
>
I will try this next time. I verified that I can do this when the
laptop is healthy
It froze again during a pup update check.
Cannot even ping it.
Philip
1:10 a.m.
On 6/20/07, Philip Walden <pwaldenlinux(a)pacbell.net> wrote:
Philip Walden wrote:
> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
>> | From: Langdon Stevenson <langdon(a)lindenrow.com.au>
>>
>> | My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
>> freezing two
>> | or three times per day when I am working.
>>
>> Your symptoms are non-specific: lots of diseases have the same
>> symptom. So you need more information.
>>
>> You can read a few of my messages to the list about things to try.
>>
>> - when a lock-up happens, try to ssh in from another computer. If you
>> can, then it isn't a kernel crash
>>
> I will try this next time. I verified that I can do this when the
> laptop is healthy
It froze again during a pup update check.
Cannot even ping it.
Philip
Did you try what I suggested?
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10:46 p.m.
I have similar kind of freeze issues. However, i could ssh into the box
and run gdm-restart to bring back the sanity to the frozen laptop. So,
this leads me to think that i have issues with nvidia proprietary driver
(beryl is running too). I have a laptop (Tecra M5) with Core 2 Duo, 3G
RAM with nvidia Quadro NVS 110M video Card.
Srikanth
D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
| From: Langdon Stevenson <langdon(a)lindenrow.com.au>
| My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of freezing two
| or three times per day when I am working.
Your symptoms are non-specific: lots of diseases have the same
symptom. So you need more information.
You can read a few of my messages to the list about things to try.
- when a lock-up happens, try to ssh in from another computer. If you
can, then it isn't a kernel crash
- boot with kernel parameter "maxcpus=1". This may suppress the
problem. Not a great long-term solution because you lose the use of
one of your cores.
- use a serial console to discover what's bugging your system
- use kdump and clash(8) to grab a dump when the kernel crashes and
then analyze that dump.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-June/msg03592.html
10:39 a.m.
| From: Srikanth Konjarla <srikanth.konjarla(a)gmail.com>
| I have similar kind of freeze issues. However, i could ssh into the box and
| run gdm-restart to bring back the sanity to the frozen laptop. So, this leads
| me to think that i have issues with nvidia proprietary driver (beryl is
| running too). I have a laptop (Tecra M5) with Core 2 Duo, 3G RAM with nvidia
| Quadro NVS 110M video Card.
|
| D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
| > Your symptoms are non-specific: lots of diseases have the same
| > symptom. So you need more information.
Srikanth Konjarla:
Your problem must be very different from mine since the ssh server is
still working.
This is good news for you: your kernel is not hung, but some process
or processes are in a bad state.
Once you ssh in, you have a lot of tools available to you for figuring
out what is wrong. ps(1) can tell you lots of things about running
processes. top(1) can tell you what is taking the most CPU (sometimes
a hang is in the form of a process caught in a cpu-bound loop). If
you figure out what process is hanging, you can even use gdb on it.
As an extreme example of the usefulness of ssh: last month I had a
problem with ndiswrapper. In the end, I let the author of ndiswrapper
ssh into my machine and he fixed the code! He then checked the fix
into the official source so future versions should have that bug fixed
for everyone.
A true kernel hang leaves you with a much poorer choice of tools.
That is the case that my previous message focused upon.
(As you know, official Fedora channels are not too supportive of
proprietary drives. For understandable reasons. There seems to be an
nVidia driver person who pops up on this list every once in a while.)
11:39 a.m.
On 6/18/07, Langdon Stevenson <langdon(a)lindenrow.com.au> wrote:
My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
mouse freezes as well.
The only option available then is to press the reset button to reboot
the system.
There doesn't appear to be any specific application that causes the
freeze. It typically happens when I have a largish number of
applications open at once (say: Firefox, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Pidgin,
Terminal, Putty), but I could be working in any one of the applications.
This problem has been happening since I installed F7 soon after the
official release. So I have seen this behavior with at least three
kernels (including the last release a few days ago).
My system spec:
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
- Video card: Asus EN7900GS
- kernel.x86_64 2.6.21-1.3228
All currently available F7 updates installed.
Are there any known issues that may be causing this? If not, should I
be reporting it as a bug?
Regards,
Langdon
Give the computer a throw dusting, and reapply thermal gel.
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11:48 a.m.
On 6/18/07, Langdon Stevenson <langdon(a)lindenrow.com.au> wrote:
> My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit
of
> freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
> windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
> mouse freezes as well.
>
> The only option available then is to press the reset button to reboot
> the system.
>
> There doesn't appear to be any specific application that causes the
> freeze. It typically happens when I have a largish number of
> applications open at once (say: Firefox, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Pidgin,
> Terminal, Putty), but I could be working in any one of the applications.
>
> This problem has been happening since I installed F7 soon after the
> official release. So I have seen this behavior with at least three
> kernels (including the last release a few days ago).
>
> My system spec:
>
> - CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
> - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
> - Video card: Asus EN7900GS
> - kernel.x86_64 2.6.21-1.3228
>
> All currently available F7 updates installed.
>
> Are there any known issues that may be causing this? If not, should I
> be reporting it as a bug?
Which X driver are you using?
3:15 a.m.
On 06/18/2007 04:37 PM, Langdon Stevenson wrote:
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
Do you have irqbalance running? If so, disable it and see if that helps.
I have had similar problems with a Pentium-D. See
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225399
Might not be the same as you are experiencing, but could be.
Lars
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11:24 a.m.
Hi Langdon et al;
I usually stay away from hardware threads. They are normally beyond my
level. But, I had what sounds like the same problem, and here is how I
fixed it.
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 00:37 +1000, Langdon Stevenson wrote:
--
Regards Bill
My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
mouse freezes as well.
The only option available then is to press the reset button to reboot
the system.
There doesn't appear to be any specific application that causes the
freeze. It typically happens when I have a largish number of
applications open at once (say: Firefox, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Pidgin,
Terminal, Putty), but I could be working in any one of the applications.
This problem has been happening since I installed F7 soon after the
official release. So I have seen this behavior with at least three
kernels (including the last release a few days ago).
My system spec:
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
- Video card: Asus EN7900GS
- kernel.x86_64 2.6.21-1.3228
For my problem, the CPU, motherboard and video card do not seem
relevant.
All currently available F7 updates installed.
Are there any known issues that may be causing this? If not, should I
be reporting it as a bug?
I have a second user on my machine which we have been logging into
through the gdmflexiserver gui. When I am (user1), the original user,
and we switch to user2, his screen and the entire computer freezes,
panels don't work and some applications remove themselves from the
panel. I had to Ctrl-Alt-F2 to a terminal, login as root and killall -
u user2. I then had to reboot.
So, the problem could have been a bug with the user-switcher or gdm ??
Or,
When I checked his session manager, I found 'compiz' checked as a
startup application. I do not use compiz as user1, and user2 swears he
never used or tried compiz (??). In any case, I removed compiz from
session startup and haven't had a problem since. A bug in compiz -
perhaps
Not quite true, once every two or three months I get a freezeup while
using the email composer in Evolution. That problem was here in FC6 as
well as F-7 so probably not related.
4:17 p.m.
On 6/21/07, William Case <billlinux(a)rogers.com> wrote:
Hi Langdon et al;
I usually stay away from hardware threads. They are normally beyond my
level. But, I had what sounds like the same problem, and here is how I
fixed it.
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 00:37 +1000, Langdon Stevenson wrote:
> My Fedora 7 system is running well, except for the nasty habit of
> freezing two or three times per day when I am working. First: all
> windows stop responding to the mouse and key board, then soon after, the
> mouse freezes as well.
>
> The only option available then is to press the reset button to reboot
> the system.
>
> There doesn't appear to be any specific application that causes the
> freeze. It typically happens when I have a largish number of
> applications open at once (say: Firefox, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Pidgin,
> Terminal, Putty), but I could be working in any one of the applications.
>
> This problem has been happening since I installed F7 soon after the
> official release. So I have seen this behavior with at least three
> kernels (including the last release a few days ago).
>
> My system spec:
>
> - CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600
> - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
> - Video card: Asus EN7900GS
> - kernel.x86_64 2.6.21-1.3228
For my problem, the CPU, motherboard and video card do not seem
relevant.
>
> All currently available F7 updates installed.
>
> Are there any known issues that may be causing this? If not, should I
> be reporting it as a bug?
I have a second user on my machine which we have been logging into
through the gdmflexiserver gui. When I am (user1), the original user,
and we switch to user2, his screen and the entire computer freezes,
panels don't work and some applications remove themselves from the
panel. I had to Ctrl-Alt-F2 to a terminal, login as root and killall -
u user2. I then had to reboot.
I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance, put
"noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my F7
system still freezes a few times a day.
It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
the log files.
I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver. I've
run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
DS
So, the problem could have been a bug with the user-switcher or gdm
??
Or,
When I checked his session manager, I found 'compiz' checked as a
startup application. I do not use compiz as user1, and user2 swears he
never used or tried compiz (??). In any case, I removed compiz from
session startup and haven't had a problem since. A bug in compiz -
perhaps
Not quite true, once every two or three months I get a freezeup while
using the email composer in Evolution. That problem was here in FC6 as
well as F-7 so probably not related.
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8:49 p.m.
On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 14:17 -0700, Dawning Sky wrote:
I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance,
put
"noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my F7
system still freezes a few times a day.
It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
the log files.
I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver. I've
run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
DS
I'm experience with this too but at very rare occurrence, but that
usually about X server that push CPU to almost 100% working. The machine
still available trough ssh and I must kill the X server and gdm bring
back again.
I think the freeze usually is about the kernel or X server. Maybe you
can try with nv driver for video and if still freeze you can check your
computer availability from network for searching who's the cause
freezing.
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9:36 p.m.
On 7/22/07, Hansen <mht(a)alfansa.org> wrote:
On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 14:17 -0700, Dawning Sky wrote:
> I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance, put
> "noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my F7
> system still freezes a few times a day.
>
> It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
> for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
> using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
> the log files.
>
> I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver. I've
> run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
> 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
>
> DS
I'm experience with this too but at very rare occurrence, but that
usually about X server that push CPU to almost 100% working. The machine
still available trough ssh and I must kill the X server and gdm bring
back again.
I think the freeze usually is about the kernel or X server. Maybe you
can try with nv driver for video and if still freeze you can check your
computer availability from network for searching who's the cause
freezing.
What I'm experiencing is not just X server freeze. It's something
more serious. I cannot ssh to it. Cannot even ping it. Have to do a
hard reset.
I think I'll have to try the nv driver to see if it is caused by the
nvidia driver.
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4:38 a.m.
Dawning Sky wrote:
On 7/22/07, Hansen <mht(a)alfansa.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 14:17 -0700, Dawning Sky wrote:
> > I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance, put
> > "noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my F7
> > system still freezes a few times a day.
> >
> > It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
> > for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
> > using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
> > the log files.
OK, I saw this happen 22 days ago. I made sure I had all
updates, then
rebooted and added kernel parameters to log the boot/console to serial
port. I capture this with another machine running f7 {minicom}.
Last night I noticed the kernel update, so I have updated the machine,
and now running 2.6.22 release. The machine stayed up for 21 days until
I told it to reboot with the newer kernel package.
During this time I have had at least 15 gnome-terminal, azureus
bittorrent {sharing Fedora-7-i386 dvd - total uploads 180 GB}, short
periods of limewire, 7 tabs in firefox, another 10-15 tabs in another
firefox, doing a lot of nautilus file sorting/moving, some python/django
development / web server testing, all shared between 4x desktops,
vncviewer sessions going to a local server for a week at a time,
thunderbird email with a zillion fedora-list emails, ssh sessions to
work, and clients, xmms music playback, xine dvd and dvb tuner recording
and playback, mplayer playback, having my many partitions fill up,
deleting stuff, moving stuff around, moving 150 GB from amongst 3xdisks
to an external usb drive, gparted, removing partitions of one of the
disks, repartitioning, and running system-config-lvm to make an lvm
volume, and then copying all the information back - slightly better sorted.
All I'm saying is that it definitely can be reliable in my configuration:
AMD Athlon XP 2600+, nvidia fx5600, nv driver.
> > I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia
driver. I've
> > run memtest for hours
2 be sure: overnight or whole weekend.
> I'm experience with this too but at very rare occurrence, but
that
> usually about X server that push CPU to almost 100% working. The machine
> still available trough ssh and I must kill the X server and gdm bring
> back again.
> I think the freeze usually is about the kernel or X server. Maybe you
> can try with nv driver for video and if still freeze you can check your
> computer availability from network for searching who's the cause
> freezing.
What I'm experiencing is not just X server freeze. It's something
more serious. I cannot ssh to it. Cannot even ping it. Have to do a
hard reset.
If you can manage a 3x wire DB9F-DB9F serial crossover cable, and put
the console commands to the grub kernel line, then a second computer may
just catch what goes wrong {in my case it then performed flawlessly for
21 days}.
DaveT.
12:42 p.m.
Dawning Sky wrote:
On 7/22/07, Hansen <mht(a)alfansa.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 14:17 -0700, Dawning Sky wrote:
> > I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance, put
> > "noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my F7
> > system still freezes a few times a day.
> >
> > It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
> > for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
> > using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
> > the log files.
> >
> > I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver. I've
> > run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
> > 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
> >
> > DS
> I'm experience with this too but at very rare occurrence, but that
> usually about X server that push CPU to almost 100% working. The machine
> still available trough ssh and I must kill the X server and gdm bring
> back again.
> I think the freeze usually is about the kernel or X server. Maybe you
> can try with nv driver for video and if still freeze you can check your
> computer availability from network for searching who's the cause
> freezing.
What I'm experiencing is not just X server freeze. It's something
more serious. I cannot ssh to it. Cannot even ping it. Have to do a
hard reset.
I think I'll have to try the nv driver to see if it is caused by the
nvidia driver.
>
> --
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> http://hansen.alfansa.org
> http://teknologipraktis.org
> --
DS
I am having the same issue and on the nvidia forum someone posted a
response that they compiled their kernel without CFS support and all was
fixed.
I think it is a bigger problem as I have issues with mplayer taking all
control from the keyboard or the latest issue is my display closing and
opening as if the frequency is being changed on the monitor. this
occurs with just scrolling on web pages.
I wanted to try a new kernel (2.6.22) over the weekend but things just
happened that prevented me from doing it.
This is becoming a major headache as the nv driver won't allow my kids
to play games and is preventing me from updating the laptop from FC4 to F7.
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I have seen something similar on one machine. Restarting X with crtl-alt-bs
seems to give some relief.
I had a similar issue with the later FC5 kernels, but I am not sure they
have the same root cause.
The symptoms I have seen make it seemed like processes are blocking, not
permanently hanging. For example I have a vt login hang, which completed
after I restarted X.
10:40 a.m.
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
I have seen something similar on one machine. Restarting X with
crtl-alt-bs
seems to give some relief.
I had a similar issue with the later FC5 kernels, but I am not sure they
have the same root cause.
The symptoms I have seen make it seemed like processes are blocking, not
permanently hanging. For example I have a vt login hang, which completed
after I restarted X.
In my lockups, ctrl-alt-bs doesn't work at all. No keyboard input works.
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2:21 p.m.
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Dawning Sky wrote:
On 6/21/07, William Case <billlinux(a)rogers.com> wrote:
I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance, put
"noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my F7
system still freezes a few times a day.
It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
the log files.
I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver. I've
run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
DS
Same here. I have these random freezes on my laptop and since I do not
have another m/c to access it, I am completely hosed :-(
The mouse & keyboard do not respond. I wanted to use compiz but then the
system would freeze more often.
I believe the problem is strongly related to the graphics driver. I have
a ATI M300 => radeon300 driver.
During the recent freezes, the only application that could have caused
an issue was Thunderbird's notification mechanism (which brings up a popup)
This behavior is definitely not acceptable. But what frustrates me the
most is the absence of any logs!!!! (Arghhh!!) Any hope of logging a bug
so that developers could fix the issue is lost.
Does any one know how I could capture these error messages? What are the
parameters to generate logs for the graphics drivers?
thanks,
Rogue
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9:19 p.m.
On 7/23/07, Rogue <roguexz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Dawning Sky wrote:
> On 6/21/07, William Case <billlinux(a)rogers.com> wrote:
>
> I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance, put
> "noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my F7
> system still freezes a few times a day.
>
> It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
> for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
> using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
> the log files.
>
> I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver. I've
> run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
> 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
>
> DS
>
Same here. I have these random freezes on my laptop and since I do not
have another m/c to access it, I am completely hosed :-(
The mouse & keyboard do not respond. I wanted to use compiz but then the
system would freeze more often.
I believe the problem is strongly related to the graphics driver. I have
a ATI M300 => radeon300 driver.
During the recent freezes, the only application that could have caused
an issue was Thunderbird's notification mechanism (which brings up a popup)
This behavior is definitely not acceptable. But what frustrates me the
most is the absence of any logs!!!! (Arghhh!!) Any hope of logging a bug
so that developers could fix the issue is lost.
Does any one know how I could capture these error messages? What are the
parameters to generate logs for the graphics drivers?
thanks,
Rogue
I updated to the latest 2.6.22 kernel and my machine still freezes on
me. So now I'm using the "nv" driver. I'll see if it still freezes.
DS
7:27 a.m.
Dawning Sky wrote:
On 7/23/07, Rogue <roguexz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
> Dawning Sky wrote:
> > On 6/21/07, William Case <billlinux(a)rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance, put
> > "noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my F7
> > system still freezes a few times a day.
> >
> > It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
> > for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
> > using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
> > the log files.
> >
> > I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver. I've
> > run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
> > 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
> >
> > DS
> >
>
> Same here. I have these random freezes on my laptop and since I do not
> have another m/c to access it, I am completely hosed :-(
>
> The mouse & keyboard do not respond. I wanted to use compiz but then the
> system would freeze more often.
>
> I believe the problem is strongly related to the graphics driver. I have
> a ATI M300 => radeon300 driver.
>
> During the recent freezes, the only application that could have caused
> an issue was Thunderbird's notification mechanism (which brings up a
> popup)
>
> This behavior is definitely not acceptable. But what frustrates me the
> most is the absence of any logs!!!! (Arghhh!!) Any hope of logging a bug
> so that developers could fix the issue is lost.
>
> Does any one know how I could capture these error messages? What are the
> parameters to generate logs for the graphics drivers?
>
> thanks,
> Rogue
I updated to the latest 2.6.22 kernel and my machine still freezes on
me. So now I'm using the "nv" driver. I'll see if it still freezes.
DS
I am interested in how your F7 freezes. I had a freeze yesterday. What
happened I think was all the fast RAM got used and it was using the Swap
partition. I watched my hard drive light and it was on solid. I did
Ctrl-Alt F1 and in about 3 minutes it dropped to a prompt. But I was
unable to log in it so slow.
Does this sound like yours?
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10:17 a.m.
On 7/24/07, Karl Larsen <k5di(a)zianet.com> wrote:
Dawning Sky wrote:
> On 7/23/07, Rogue <roguexz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>>
>>
>> Dawning Sky wrote:
>> > On 6/21/07, William Case <billlinux(a)rogers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance, put
>> > "noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my
F7
>> > system still freezes a few times a day.
>> >
>> > It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
>> > for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
>> > using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
>> > the log files.
>> >
>> > I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver.
I've
>> > run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
>> > 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
>> >
>> > DS
>> >
>>
>> Same here. I have these random freezes on my laptop and since I do not
>> have another m/c to access it, I am completely hosed :-(
>>
>> The mouse & keyboard do not respond. I wanted to use compiz but then the
>> system would freeze more often.
>>
>> I believe the problem is strongly related to the graphics driver. I have
>> a ATI M300 => radeon300 driver.
>>
>> During the recent freezes, the only application that could have caused
>> an issue was Thunderbird's notification mechanism (which brings up a
>> popup)
>>
>> This behavior is definitely not acceptable. But what frustrates me the
>> most is the absence of any logs!!!! (Arghhh!!) Any hope of logging a bug
>> so that developers could fix the issue is lost.
>>
>> Does any one know how I could capture these error messages? What are the
>> parameters to generate logs for the graphics drivers?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Rogue
>
> I updated to the latest 2.6.22 kernel and my machine still freezes on
> me. So now I'm using the "nv" driver. I'll see if it still
freezes.
>
> DS
>
I am interested in how your F7 freezes. I had a freeze yesterday. What
happened I think was all the fast RAM got used and it was using the Swap
partition. I watched my hard drive light and it was on solid. I did
Ctrl-Alt F1 and in about 3 minutes it dropped to a prompt. But I was
unable to log in it so slow.
Does this sound like yours?
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No. Not at all. I have 4GB of RAM. And my freeze can only be brought
out of by a hard reset.
DS
10:30 a.m.
Dawning Sky wrote:
On 7/24/07, Karl Larsen <k5di(a)zianet.com> wrote:
> Dawning Sky wrote:
> > On 7/23/07, Rogue <roguexz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dawning Sky wrote:
> >> > On 6/21/07, William Case <billlinux(a)rogers.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance,
put
> >> > "noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But
my F7
> >> > system still freezes a few times a day.
> >> >
> >> > It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
> >> > for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
> >> > using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently.
> Nothing in
> >> > the log files.
> >> >
> >> > I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver.
> I've
> >> > run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
> >> > 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
> >> >
> >> > DS
> >> >
> >>
> >> Same here. I have these random freezes on my laptop and since I do not
> >> have another m/c to access it, I am completely hosed :-(
> >>
> >> The mouse & keyboard do not respond. I wanted to use compiz but
> then the
> >> system would freeze more often.
> >>
> >> I believe the problem is strongly related to the graphics driver. I
> have
> >> a ATI M300 => radeon300 driver.
> >>
> >> During the recent freezes, the only application that could have caused
> >> an issue was Thunderbird's notification mechanism (which brings up a
> >> popup)
> >>
> >> This behavior is definitely not acceptable. But what frustrates me the
> >> most is the absence of any logs!!!! (Arghhh!!) Any hope of logging
> a bug
> >> so that developers could fix the issue is lost.
> >>
> >> Does any one know how I could capture these error messages? What
> are the
> >> parameters to generate logs for the graphics drivers?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Rogue
> >
> > I updated to the latest 2.6.22 kernel and my machine still freezes on
> > me. So now I'm using the "nv" driver. I'll see if it still
freezes.
> >
> > DS
> >
> I am interested in how your F7 freezes. I had a freeze
> yesterday. What
> happened I think was all the fast RAM got used and it was using the Swap
> partition. I watched my hard drive light and it was on solid. I did
> Ctrl-Alt F1 and in about 3 minutes it dropped to a prompt. But I was
> unable to log in it so slow.
>
> Does this sound like yours?
>
>
> --
>
> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
> Linux User
> #450462 http://counter.li.org.
>
No. Not at all. I have 4GB of RAM. And my freeze can only be brought
out of by a hard reset.
DS
Well mine also requires a hard reset to get back to normal. Your 4 GB
of RAM does make it harder to use up but it does happen. While your
computer is frozen look at your hard drive use.
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11:31 a.m.
On 7/24/07, Karl Larsen <k5di(a)zianet.com> wrote:
Dawning Sky wrote:
>> >
>> I am interested in how your F7 freezes. I had a freeze
>> yesterday. What
>> happened I think was all the fast RAM got used and it was using the Swap
>> partition. I watched my hard drive light and it was on solid. I did
>> Ctrl-Alt F1 and in about 3 minutes it dropped to a prompt. But I was
>> unable to log in it so slow.
>>
>> Does this sound like yours?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
>> Linux User
>> #450462 http://counter.li.org.
>>
> No. Not at all. I have 4GB of RAM. And my freeze can only be brought
> out of by a hard reset.
>
> DS
>
Well mine also requires a hard reset to get back to normal. Your 4 GB
of RAM does make it harder to use up but it does happen. While your
computer is frozen look at your hard drive use.
My freeze does not appear related to the computer load. If often
freezes with very light desktop usage. But it does appear to be
related to the desktop usage, not any application in particular. So
the suspicion is that it's video related. For now, I'm using nv
driver. It's been good so far (for a day or so).
DS
1:53 p.m.
Could there be a correlation between the amount of memory you have and the
freezes? I don't have FC7, but on a FC6 "pristine" installation my 4GB RAM
Dell machine froze very often until I took 1GB out. I don't believe the
specific RAM chips were at fault, but anything else could (including the
amount of RAM and/or something in the motherboard). Do you see the same
freezes with just 2 or 3GB RAM?
Emanuel
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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:31 AM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Fedora 7 freezes two or three times per day
Dawning Sky wrote:
On 7/24/07, Karl Larsen <k5di(a)zianet.com> wrote:
> Dawning Sky wrote:
> > On 7/23/07, Rogue <roguexz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dawning Sky wrote:
> >> > On 6/21/07, William Case <billlinux(a)rogers.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance,
put
> >> > "noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But
my F7
> >> > system still freezes a few times a day.
> >> >
> >> > It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
> >> > for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
> >> > using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently.
> Nothing in
> >> > the log files.
> >> >
> >> > I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver.
> I've
> >> > run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
> >> > 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
> >> >
> >> > DS
> >> >
> >>
> >> Same here. I have these random freezes on my laptop and since I do not
> >> have another m/c to access it, I am completely hosed :-(
> >>
> >> The mouse & keyboard do not respond. I wanted to use compiz but
> then the
> >> system would freeze more often.
> >>
> >> I believe the problem is strongly related to the graphics driver. I
> have
> >> a ATI M300 => radeon300 driver.
> >>
> >> During the recent freezes, the only application that could have caused
> >> an issue was Thunderbird's notification mechanism (which brings up a
> >> popup)
> >>
> >> This behavior is definitely not acceptable. But what frustrates me the
> >> most is the absence of any logs!!!! (Arghhh!!) Any hope of logging
> a bug
> >> so that developers could fix the issue is lost.
> >>
> >> Does any one know how I could capture these error messages? What
> are the
> >> parameters to generate logs for the graphics drivers?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Rogue
> >
> > I updated to the latest 2.6.22 kernel and my machine still freezes on
> > me. So now I'm using the "nv" driver. I'll see if it still
freezes.
> >
> > DS
> >
> I am interested in how your F7 freezes. I had a freeze
> yesterday. What
> happened I think was all the fast RAM got used and it was using the Swap
> partition. I watched my hard drive light and it was on solid. I did
> Ctrl-Alt F1 and in about 3 minutes it dropped to a prompt. But I was
> unable to log in it so slow.
>
> Does this sound like yours?
>
>
> --
>
> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
> Linux User
> #450462 http://counter.li.org.
>
No. Not at all. I have 4GB of RAM. And my freeze can only be brought
out of by a hard reset.
DS
Well mine also requires a hard reset to get back to normal. Your 4
GB
of RAM does make it harder to use up but it does happen. While your
computer is frozen look at your hard drive use.
--
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Linux User
#450462 http://counter.li.org.
3:14 p.m.
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Dawning Sky wrote:
On 7/24/07, Karl Larsen <k5di(a)zianet.com> wrote:
> >
> I am interested in how your F7 freezes. I had a freeze
> yesterday. What
> happened I think was all the fast RAM got used and it was using the Swap
> partition. I watched my hard drive light and it was on solid. I did
> Ctrl-Alt F1 and in about 3 minutes it dropped to a prompt. But I was
> unable to log in it so slow.
>
> Does this sound like yours?
>
>
> --
No. Not at all. I have 4GB of RAM. And my freeze can only be brought
out of by a hard reset.
DS
Well, I have 1.2Gigs of RAM on my laptop and as Dawning mentioned in
another thread, I do not believe I am running out of memory and the
harddrive light is not on either.
And my key board does not respond either, including the hardware keys
(WiFi/Bluetooth, etc.).
Most of the times, the only applications that could trigger such a
freeze were Thunderbird and any Java based application -- like an IDE.
Really looking forward to identifying the root cause of this issue.
later,
Rogue
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10:39 a.m.
Dawning Sky wrote:
On 7/23/07, Rogue <roguexz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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I updated to the latest 2.6.22 kernel and my machine still freezes
on
me. So now I'm using the "nv" driver. I'll see if it still freezes.
DS
I was about to try the latest kernel tonight to see if it was better. I
need 3D so the nv drive isn't going to fix my issues.
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Rogue wrote:
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Dawning Sky wrote:
> On 6/21/07, William Case <billlinux(a)rogers.com> wrote:
>
> I'm experiencing this freeze too. I've disabled irqbalance, put
> "noirqbalance" in the kernel parameters, removed compiz. But my F7
> system still freezes a few times a day.
>
> It appears related to the desktop environment. I can leave it there
> for weeks, with server processes running. But if I sit there and
> using the desktop environment, it then freezes frequently. Nothing in
> the log files.
>
> I'm running F7 x86_64, with AMD X2 and the latest nVidia driver. I've
> run memtest for hours without errors. The kernel version is
> 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.
>
> DS
>
Same here. I have these random freezes on my laptop and since I do not
have another m/c to access it, I am completely hosed :-(
The mouse & keyboard do not respond. I wanted to use compiz but then the
system would freeze more often.
I believe the problem is strongly related to the graphics driver. I have
a ATI M300 => radeon300 driver.
During the recent freezes, the only application that could have caused
an issue was Thunderbird's notification mechanism (which brings up a popup)
This behavior is definitely not acceptable. But what frustrates me the
most is the absence of any logs!!!! (Arghhh!!) Any hope of logging a bug
so that developers could fix the issue is lost.
Does any one know how I could capture these error messages? What are the
parameters to generate logs for the graphics drivers?
thanks,
Rogue
From what I have gathered from different forums and bug lists is that
this is not directly a driver issue but an issue between the driver and
kernel. It seems to occur with different video drivers.
On one forum, it was reported by someone that they compiled their own
kernel without CFS support and all their freezups were gone.
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4:37 p.m.
From what I have gathered from different forums and bug lists is that
this is not directly a driver issue but an issue between the driver and
kernel. It seems to occur with different video drivers.
On one forum, it was reported by someone that they compiled their own
kernel without CFS support and all their freezups were gone.
Is this CFS Completely Fair Scheduler? I thought it would go into the
kernel at 2.6.23? I hate to compile the kernel. Haven't done that
for many years. Maybe I'll just stick with the nv driver, if my
machine stops freezing.
DS
10:24 a.m.
Dawning Sky wrote:
>
> From what I have gathered from different forums and bug lists is that
> this is not directly a driver issue but an issue between the driver and
> kernel. It seems to occur with different video drivers.
>
> On one forum, it was reported by someone that they compiled their own
> kernel without CFS support and all their freezups were gone.
>
Is this CFS Completely Fair Scheduler? I thought it would go into the
kernel at 2.6.23? I hate to compile the kernel. Haven't done that
for many years. Maybe I'll just stick with the nv driver, if my
machine stops freezing.
DS
Yes,
I understood that it was in the present kernel but I am repeating what
was mentioned on the nvidia support forum. But other things I am
reading is that you are correct. If it isn't the CFS, then the posters
comment on the nvidia forum was in error. What I do see is that some of
the CFS code is supposed to be in the kernel though, part of CFQ (?) I
don't understand enough of the coding to fully understand.
But on the Linux Kernel Mailing List, there is a thread on video issues
with the CFS.
I know that on my machine at home, even the gnome splash screen will
freeze the system. ssh into it and I see that Xorg is in the 95% range.
I went to an earlier version of the nvidia driver (I need 3D) and I will
have loss of mouse or keyboard from time to time. If I use mplayer and
change the speed using the "}" key, I lose all input. Strange screen
flashes but I don't end up with a total machine freeze. In gqview, if I
quickly go through images using the space bar, the display will flash
like it loses scanning.
This is using the Freshrpms and dkms tools. I have to find some time to
play with the latest kernel and drivers to see what happens. I am
hoping for an evening of rain to give me a reason to stay in the house
and not do yard work or go in the pool. :)
I have read about this same issue with different video cards so it isn't
just nvidia video cards. There is a bug report on bugzilla about a
different card.
I am also reading about this happening on different versions of Linux.
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HI
well my laptop does freeze at boot, 1 to 4 times in a row, plus the reboot
it reboots if i try to play quake4 or googleearth, yes it just
reboots, I already tryed
al versions of nvidia driver and it does the same thing
btw: dont buy compaq laptops to run linux
On 7/25/07, Robin Laing <Robin.Laing(a)drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote:
Dawning Sky wrote:
>>
>> From what I have gathered from different forums and bug lists is that
>> this is not directly a driver issue but an issue between the driver and
>> kernel. It seems to occur with different video drivers.
>>
>> On one forum, it was reported by someone that they compiled their own
>> kernel without CFS support and all their freezups were gone.
>>
>
> Is this CFS Completely Fair Scheduler? I thought it would go into the
> kernel at 2.6.23? I hate to compile the kernel. Haven't done that
> for many years. Maybe I'll just stick with the nv driver, if my
> machine stops freezing.
>
> DS
Yes,
I understood that it was in the present kernel but I am repeating what
was mentioned on the nvidia support forum. But other things I am
reading is that you are correct. If it isn't the CFS, then the posters
comment on the nvidia forum was in error. What I do see is that some of
the CFS code is supposed to be in the kernel though, part of CFQ (?) I
don't understand enough of the coding to fully understand.
But on the Linux Kernel Mailing List, there is a thread on video issues
with the CFS.
I know that on my machine at home, even the gnome splash screen will
freeze the system. ssh into it and I see that Xorg is in the 95% range.
I went to an earlier version of the nvidia driver (I need 3D) and I will
have loss of mouse or keyboard from time to time. If I use mplayer and
change the speed using the "}" key, I lose all input. Strange screen
flashes but I don't end up with a total machine freeze. In gqview, if I
quickly go through images using the space bar, the display will flash
like it loses scanning.
This is using the Freshrpms and dkms tools. I have to find some time to
play with the latest kernel and drivers to see what happens. I am
hoping for an evening of rain to give me a reason to stay in the house
and not do yard work or go in the pool. :)
I have read about this same issue with different video cards so it isn't
just nvidia video cards. There is a bug report on bugzilla about a
different card.
I am also reading about this happening on different versions of Linux.
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3:20 p.m.
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 21:34 +0200, Jorge Boscan wrote:
HI
well my laptop does freeze at boot, 1 to 4 times in a row, plus the reboot
it reboots if i try to play quake4 or googleearth, yes it just
reboots, I already tryed
al versions of nvidia driver and it does the same thing
btw: dont buy compaq laptops to run linux
That's a bad blanket statement to make. I'm running FC6 on several HP
laptops very, very happily (one Turion and one Athlon64). No problems.
Of course, I'm a nerd so debugging stuff kinda appeals to me.
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4:54 p.m.
oh yeah?
pick one of those and try to change the broadcom minipcie for another
atheros based
and you will see what "104 error" is
On 7/27/07, Rick Stevens <rstevens(a)internap.com> wrote:
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 21:34 +0200, Jorge Boscan wrote:
> HI
>
> well my laptop does freeze at boot, 1 to 4 times in a row, plus the reboot
> it reboots if i try to play quake4 or googleearth, yes it just
> reboots, I already tryed
> al versions of nvidia driver and it does the same thing
>
> btw: dont buy compaq laptops to run linux
That's a bad blanket statement to make. I'm running FC6 on several HP
laptops very, very happily (one Turion and one Athlon64). No problems.
Of course, I'm a nerd so debugging stuff kinda appeals to me.
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12:15 p.m.
Just want to check with the list that what's the current situation on this
freezing problem with the nvidia driver. Any solution yet?
Since I switch to the nv driver, I haven't had a single freeze.
DS
On 7/25/07, Robin Laing <Robin.Laing(a)drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote:
Dawning Sky wrote:
>>
>> From what I have gathered from different forums and bug lists is that
>> this is not directly a driver issue but an issue between the driver and
>> kernel. It seems to occur with different video drivers.
>>
>> On one forum, it was reported by someone that they compiled their own
>> kernel without CFS support and all their freezups were gone.
>>
>
> Is this CFS Completely Fair Scheduler? I thought it would go into the
> kernel at 2.6.23? I hate to compile the kernel. Haven't done that
> for many years. Maybe I'll just stick with the nv driver, if my
> machine stops freezing.
>
> DS
Yes,
I understood that it was in the present kernel but I am repeating what
was mentioned on the nvidia support forum. But other things I am
reading is that you are correct. If it isn't the CFS, then the posters
comment on the nvidia forum was in error. What I do see is that some of
the CFS code is supposed to be in the kernel though, part of CFQ (?) I
don't understand enough of the coding to fully understand.
But on the Linux Kernel Mailing List, there is a thread on video issues
with the CFS.
I know that on my machine at home, even the gnome splash screen will
freeze the system. ssh into it and I see that Xorg is in the 95% range.
I went to an earlier version of the nvidia driver (I need 3D) and I will
have loss of mouse or keyboard from time to time. If I use mplayer and
change the speed using the "}" key, I lose all input. Strange screen
flashes but I don't end up with a total machine freeze. In gqview, if I
quickly go through images using the space bar, the display will flash
like it loses scanning.
This is using the Freshrpms and dkms tools. I have to find some time to
play with the latest kernel and drivers to see what happens. I am
hoping for an evening of rain to give me a reason to stay in the house
and not do yard work or go in the pool. :)
I have read about this same issue with different video cards so it isn't
just nvidia video cards. There is a bug report on bugzilla about a
different card.
I am also reading about this happening on different versions of Linux.
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12:04 p.m.
Dawning Sky wrote:
Just want to check with the list that what's the current
situation on
this freezing problem with the nvidia driver. Any solution yet?
Since I switch to the nv driver, I haven't had a single freeze.
DS
FWIW,
I changed my video card a few weeks ago as one was on clearance sale.
It is still an Nvidia card and it works like a dream. No issues at all.
On the other hand, with a fully updated FC6 box, I have had freezes that
show the exact symptoms that I had on my F7 machine. During the freeze
I ssh'd into the computer and ran top and saw that Xorg was at 95%.
When I tried to strace the machine froze. My work computer us using ATI
so this points to a kernel issue.
With what I have been reading about changing the kernel scheduler and
queuing system, I wonder if there is a conflict that will take some time
to find.
I have been to busy to look at the nvidia site for personal reasons.
Work and other things are why I have taken so long to reply.
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:04:30 -0600
Robin Laing <Robin.Laing(a)drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote:
My work computer us using ATI so this points to a kernel issue.
Or perhaps merely a common issue between the Nvidia and ATI proprietary video
drivers.
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