11:29 a.m.
When i was seduced by the dark side i used ms paint a lot i would create
complex artwork via that little application--its one thing that calls me
Back...to windows--the simple ms paint...
11:30 p.m.
On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 10:29, Fernando Fernandez wrote:
When i was seduced by the dark side i used ms paint a lot i would
create
complex artwork via that little application--its one thing that calls me
Back...to windows--the simple ms paint...
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My computer is an update from RH 9 but
Red Hat / Graphics / More Graphic Applications / Paint Program
(kpaint) - did you install KDE?
Craig
11:54 p.m.
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When i was seduced by the dark side i used ms paint a lot i would
create
complex artwork via that little application--its one thing that calls me
Back...to windows--the simple ms paint...
you may try to run mspaint with wine if you *really* *really* love it..
kpaint is other option...
I preffer gimp, it's powerful :-)
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3:59 a.m.
On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 12:29:00PM -0500, Fernando Fernandez wrote:
When i was seduced by the dark side i used ms paint a lot i would
create
complex artwork via that little application--its one thing that calls me
Back...to windows--the simple ms paint...
For simple drawing jobs, I tend to use xpaint. Unfortunately, it's not
part of Fedora, but it can be found here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/sf-xpaint/
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7:01 a.m.
Fernando Fernandez wrote:
When i was seduced by the dark side i used ms paint a lot i would
create
complex artwork via that little application--its one thing that calls me
Back...to windows--the simple ms paint...
Personally - I think that Linux needs:
CorelDraw equivalent
MS Publisher equivalent
PhotoShop/PaintShopPro equivalent
Kazaa/Soulseek clients
If I had those, then Windows would be games only (in fact, it'd be games
only on the other box and would be off this one completely!)
Bryan Anderson <fedora(a)bryananderson.co.uk>
7:20 a.m.
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Personally - I think that Linux needs:
CorelDraw equivalent
MS Publisher equivalent
PhotoShop/PaintShopPro equivalent
Kazaa/Soulseek clients
Most of the above works w/ codeweavers Wine.
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7:26 a.m.
Ummm....There is a Photoshop/PaintShopPro equivalent.
It's called Gimp.
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> Personally - I think that Linux needs:
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> CorelDraw equivalent
> MS Publisher equivalent
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> Kazaa/Soulseek clients
Most of the above works w/ codeweavers Wine.
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pctech(a)mybellybutton.com wrote:
Ummm....There is a Photoshop/PaintShopPro equivalent.
It's called Gimp.
Yeah - but the interface is awful. Try as I might, I can't get used to
it, and all those windows it throws around. I *will* keep on with it as
it does seem to be the best solution for me (it does everything I need,
I think, and it's fater than trying to use PhotoShop under CXOffice),
but it's going to take some time for me to get to like it.
Bryan Anderson <fedora(a)bryananderson.co.uk>
11:28 a.m.
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 08:38, Bryan Anderson wrote:
pctech(a)mybellybutton.com wrote:
> Ummm....There is a Photoshop/PaintShopPro equivalent.
>
> It's called Gimp.
Yeah - but the interface is awful. Try as I might, I can't get used to
it, and all those windows it throws around. I *will* keep on with it as
it does seem to be the best solution for me (it does everything I need,
I think, and it's fater than trying to use PhotoShop under CXOffice),
but it's going to take some time for me to get to like it.
As someone very inexperienced with the Gimp, I find the 1.3.x versions
have a far more understandable and comfortable interface than the 1.2.5
version which is included in FC1. There are fewer windows with more
relevant information plainly available in each one, and most operations
are visible as menus rather than right-clicks. The new font technology
also makes it work better with the Fedora desktop environments.
Hopefully it will soon be declared stable and make it into the Fedora
distribution. If you're starting to learn the Gimp now, though, my
advice would be to install the new version without waiting for that.
Boris
3:25 p.m.
Boris Goldowsky wrote:
As someone very inexperienced with the Gimp, I find the 1.3.x
versions
have a far more understandable and comfortable interface than the 1.2.5
version which is included in FC1.
I'll agree with you there - have instaleld 1.3.21 and it does seem a
HUGE improvement in terms of useability. Now to get some time to get to
know it!
Bryan Anderson <fedora(a)bryananderson.co.uk>
7:40 a.m.
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 14:26, pctech(a)mybellybutton.com wrote:
Ummm....There is a Photoshop/PaintShopPro equivalent.
It's called Gimp.
> >
> > Personally - I think that Linux needs:
> >
> > CorelDraw equivalent
> > MS Publisher equivalent
> > PhotoShop/PaintShopPro equivalent
> > Kazaa/Soulseek clients
>
Every professional PhotoShop user out there will tell you that the Gimp
in it's current state is nowhere near a PhotoShop equivalent (but yes
it's getting there).
As for Kazaa, if it's Gnutella you're missing then Limewire has a linux
client freely available.
Scribus is a DTP alternative for linux, but as I haven't used either
Scribus or MS Publisher I have no idea how they compare:
http://www.scribus.org.uk/
Lastly, maybe Inkspace could serve as a replacement for Coreldraw for
you? http://www.inkscape.org/ (again, I have no experience with either,
these are just suggestions for things to look at).
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8:07 a.m.
Hi,
Kazaa/Soulseek clients
take a look at http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/
this works great ...
Cheers
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8:54 a.m.
Torsten Eberhardt wrote:
take a look at http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/
this works great ...
Does the fact that it's not developed anymore cause a problem? Have you
tried Nicotine yet? That seems to be the new replacement.
Bryan Anderson <fedora(a)bryananderson.co.uk>
9:54 a.m.
Bryan Anderson wrote:
Does the fact that it's not developed anymore cause a problem?
Have you
tried Nicotine yet? That seems to be the new replacement.
And following up on myself.....are there rpm packages available anywhere
for pysoulseek and/or nocotine? As a newbie I am put off by the fact
that Nicotine seems to need building and the dependancies of both of them.
yum install pyslsk / yum install nicotine fail to find any packages to
match.
Bryan Anderson <fedora(a)bryananderson.co.uk>
4:48 p.m.
Em Seg, 2003-11-24 às 11:40, Tarjei Knapstad escreveu:
> > > Personally - I think that Linux needs:
> > > CorelDraw equivalent/MS Publisher equivalent
Openoffice - Already included..
> > > PhotoShop/PaintShopPro equivalent
Well... I got used to gimp, but let's face it: why couldn't gimp people
just make a single window, with everything inside, like photoshop?
Something like a theme, as dreamweaver mx, which can have the
dreamweaver4 look and feel, also as the new mx one..
> > > Kazaa/Soulseek clients
There's xmule (xmule.sourceforge.net), also as amule (didn't used it
yet, but it's somewhere on livna, fedora or freshrpms...
Scribus is a DTP alternative for linux, but as I haven't used
either
Scribus or MS Publisher I have no idea how they compare:
http://www.scribus.org.uk/
Scribus is preety much like pagemaker..
Lastly, maybe Inkspace could serve as a replacement for Coreldraw
for
you? http://www.inkscape.org/ (again, I have no experience with either,
these are just suggestions for things to look at).
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7:26 a.m.
Alex F. Evonosky wrote:
>CorelDraw equivalent
>MS Publisher equivalent
>PhotoShop/PaintShopPro equivalent
>Kazaa/Soulseek clients
Most of the above works w/ codeweavers Wine.
I have CrossOver Office (I bought it after two days of the demo!) and
that does run Dreamweaver but I'd guess at it being at least 10% slower,
maybe more, than Windows. I could live with that I guess.
I tried PhotoShop in it and it's too slow to use properly. A specific
Linux version would be much faster I am sure.
I've also installed plain Wine, but as yet haven't been able to get it
to do anything other than run notepad.exe - I can't get it to install
any other software yet. I need to have a good read through the
documentation I think, but there are reports that CorelDraw does work
with a few problems, as does Kazaa Lite with some fiddling, so those are
the two that I will try.
Bryan Anderson <fedora(a)bryananderson.co.uk>
4:59 p.m.
Em Seg, 2003-11-24 às 11:26, Bryan Anderson escreveu:
I've also installed plain Wine, but as yet haven't been able
to get it
to do anything other than run notepad.exe - I can't get it to install
any other software yet. I need to have a good read through the
documentation I think, but there are reports that CorelDraw does work
with a few problems, as does Kazaa Lite with some fiddling, so those are
the two that I will try.
http://frankscorner.org - helped me run counter strike, american mcgee's
alice, internet explorer 6, office 2000 and dreamweaver on wine...
Ah, dreamweaver... the killer app which does not have anything like it
under linux..
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6:11 a.m.
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 23:59, Alexandre Strube wrote:
Em Seg, 2003-11-24 às 11:26, Bryan Anderson escreveu:
<snip>
Ah, dreamweaver... the killer app which does not have anything like it
under linux..
Maybe that won't last too long: http://www.nvu.com/
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7:53 a.m.
Em Ter, 2003-11-25 às 10:11, Tarjei Knapstad escreveu:
> Ah, dreamweaver... the killer app which does not have anything
like it
> under linux..
Maybe that won't last too long: http://www.nvu.com/
If it can be half of dreamweaver, I will buy a 12-pack of guinness to
comemorate it :-)
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9 a.m.
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 11:53:15AM -0200, Alexandre Strube wrote:
Em Ter, 2003-11-25 às 10:11, Tarjei Knapstad escreveu:
> > Ah, dreamweaver... the killer app which does not have anything like it
> > under linux..
> Maybe that won't last too long: http://www.nvu.com/
If it can be half of dreamweaver, I will buy a 12-pack of guinness to
comemorate it :-)
Hum, Daniel Glazman knows his stuff, he knows well about the
issues. Maybe the UI or the set of feture won't be able to compete
but for the core I expect this to be a solid "product".
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10:33 a.m.
Em Seg, 2003-11-24 às 11:26, Bryan Anderson escreveu:
...
Ah, dreamweaver... the killer app which does not have anything like it
under linux..
In reference to your Dreamweaver comment... I've heard good things about
http://quanta.sourceforge.net. Granted, it's not one of the most active projects, but
it still looks good. Also, it's built for KDE.
Phil
9:43 a.m.
Em Ter, 2003-11-25 às 14:33, Phil Brammer escreveu:
> Ah, dreamweaver... the killer app which does not have anything
like it
> under linux..
In reference to your Dreamweaver comment... I've heard good things about
http://quanta.sourceforge.net. Granted, it's not one of the most active projects, but
it still looks good. Also, it's built for KDE.
I worked with quanta for quite some time.... No way to compare it with
dreamweaver. It's almost like compare dosshell to nautilus :-) Yeah I
know is has evolved since redhat 9 version, but, no, thanks. I rather
use dreamweaver with wine...
Or wait for this nvu from lindows :-)
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7:36 a.m.
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 06:01, Bryan Anderson wrote:
Fernando Fernandez wrote:
> When i was seduced by the dark side i used ms paint a lot i would create
> complex artwork via that little application--its one thing that calls me
> Back...to windows--the simple ms paint...
Personally - I think that Linux needs:
CorelDraw equivalent
MS Publisher equivalent
PhotoShop/PaintShopPro equivalent
Kazaa/Soulseek clients
If I had those, then Windows would be games only (in fact, it'd be games
only on the other box and would be off this one completely!)
-----
I think Linux needs less people who make statements such as this
without:
- bothering to check on the status of projects that might give them what
they want.
- making contributions to the development of projects that interest
them.
But hey, that's just me.
Craig
7:58 a.m.
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On Monday 24 November 2003 13:36, Craig White wrote:
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 06:01, Bryan Anderson wrote:
> Fernando Fernandez wrote:
> > When i was seduced by the dark side i used ms paint a lot i would
> > create complex artwork via that little application--its one thing that
> > calls me Back...to windows--the simple ms paint...
>
> Personally - I think that Linux needs:
>
> CorelDraw equivalent
Open Office draw manages this for me, there's also Dia and Sodipodi.
> MS Publisher equivalent
Open Office
> PhotoShop/PaintShopPro equivalent
Gimp is better than it seems at first meeting it. There is a MUCH newer
1.3.23 beta version of Gimp available for download from http://www.gimp.org/
too, I think somebody was talking about it earlier as being packaged. Its
meant to be a beta but I started using it a couple of months ago and its
perfectly stable.
> Kazaa/Soulseek clients
Bittorrent is pretty good. I don't use the other P2P any more but there used
to be limewire and other such things that ran on Linux (with Java I think in
the case of limewire).
If you MUST stay with Windows for one or two apps because they just can't come
over, Vmware is a great solution (at $299 tho). This literally makes your
Windows session a window on your Linux desktop and it runs fully concurrently
sharing the hardware. Windows runs drivers that fake up hardware while
actually passing the requests through to your regular Linux drivers. Its
REALLY GOOD, you can even have things like XP and 98 up at the same time
without leaving Linux. There's a 30-day trial for free at
http://www.vmware.com.
I think Linux needs less people who make statements such as this
without:
- bothering to check on the status of projects that might give them what
they want.
To be fair, it can be a problem finding out what is good and available... its
the kind of thing that it can be difficult to frame in a Google search. I
heard about Sodipodi the other week from Slashdot, for example, its hard
unless you spend a lot of time reading up on what's going on.
Sourceforge/Freshmeat search by popularity and activity can help but it only
hosts a fraction of the projects that are out there.
This is where the distros can help, by bringing in the best of breed it means
you don't have to have your ear to the ground all the time. If the original
poster had said "Fedora needs" instead of "Linux needs" then maybe it
wouldn't've got your back up.
- making contributions to the development of projects that interest
them.
But hey, that's just me.
Well, fair enough, but its surprisingly hard to frame an email complaining
about someone complaining without inadvertantly becoming guilty of the very
thing you abhor... wouldn't it've been more useful if your email had
contained something more than the same kind of complaint you were complaining
about :?)
- -Andy
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8:23 a.m.
Andy Green wrote:
Open Office draw manages this for me, there's also Dia and
Sodipodi.
I have installed Sodipodi and it looks at first glance to be able to do
the job I need.....but I have the horrible task now of re-saving all my
CorelDraw files into something that Sodipodi can open.
>>MS Publisher equivalent
Open Office
Have just installed Scribus and that looks interesting, but I will also
look into OpenOffice. I still have these ex-Windows mind-sets, in that
when I tried to use MS Office desktop publishing, the results were not
good, bloated and very often incompatible with other peoples systems, so
I avoided OpenOffice thinking it may suffer the same fate. I will look
into it though.
Gimp is better than it seems at first meeting it. There is a MUCH
newer
1.3.23 beta version of Gimp available for download from http://www.gimp.org/
too, I think somebody was talking about it earlier as being packaged. Its
meant to be a beta but I started using it a couple of months ago and its
perfectly stable.
Again - I'll look it up - YUM says that the version I have 1.2.? is up
to date, so I'll do a search for a FC1/RH package.
>>Kazaa/Soulseek clients
Bittorrent is pretty good. I don't use the other P2P any more but there used
to be limewire and other such things that ran on Linux (with Java I think in
the case of limewire).
Kazaa used to be useful, but now all I get are movie previews. I use
Soulseek a lot as I held a repository of Palm freeware and the combined
chat/file share facility was good. However, as I am now leaving Windows
behind, and a lot of what I did on the Palm was tied to Windows (there
are not that many Linux versions of 'Windows versions of Palm software')
I might be leaving that behind. I'm certainly not going to give up on
Linux just because of p2p apps.
If you MUST stay with Windows for one or two apps because they just
can't come
over, Vmware is a great solution (at $299 tho). This literally makes your
Windows session a window on your Linux desktop and it runs fully concurrently
sharing the hardware. Windows runs drivers that fake up hardware while
actually passing the requests through to your regular Linux drivers. Its
REALLY GOOD, you can even have things like XP and 98 up at the same time
without leaving Linux. There's a 30-day trial for free at
http://www.vmware.com.
For that price, I could get a low-power PC and a KVM switch and not lose
on performance on the Linux box.
Well, fair enough, but its surprisingly hard to frame an email
complaining
about someone complaining without inadvertantly becoming guilty of the very
thing you abhor... wouldn't it've been more useful if your email had
contained something more than the same kind of complaint you were complaining
about :?)
Well - personally I am prepared to offer whatever contribution I can,
given the time to get into Linux and to find out what contribution I can
give. At the moment I consider myself a newbie so don't feel confident
in being 'responsible' for anything. In addition - I can't code at all,
but I guess that there may be a need for help with hosting/building web
sites/etc?
And I wasn't complaining - I was commenting. To complain about the lack
of a piece for software when the guys writing and maintaining this stuff
are doing it for free, in spare time, would be downright rude. I
complain about MS software and the quality of software that I have paid
money for - my comments were simply a wish-list.
And yes - it can be very difficult to find your way through the vast
number of packages out there....but now that I've found:
http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
...it ought to be a lot easier!
Bryan Anderson <fedora(a)bryananderson.co.uk>
8:52 a.m.
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I avoided OpenOffice thinking it may suffer the same fate. I will
look
into it though.
OO has completely replaced Office here for the last 18 months. Really good.
Kazaa used to be useful, but now all I get are movie previews. I use
Google on ".torrent" daduck
For that price, I could get a low-power PC and a KVM switch and not
lose
on performance on the Linux box.
Its not the same. Here I have Linux as the main OS, but when I need it XP and
98 on the same 3GHz laptop, with 1GB RAM. You don't lose out on performance
if Linux is idling and you are doing something in XP (at least, I can't see
any performance degradation with the apps I use), or the guest OS is idling
and you are maxing out Linux. Instead of three machines I have just the one
(mostly) silent one on one HDD. The other machines' filesystems are ext3
files on the Linux host, they get fully backed up with the Linux machine.
You can also cut and paste between VMs which is kinda hard on a KVM :-)
> Well, fair enough, but its surprisingly hard to frame an email
> complaining about someone complaining without inadvertantly becoming
> guilty of the very thing you abhor... wouldn't it've been more useful if
....
And I wasn't complaining - I was commenting. To complain about
the lack
of a piece for software when the guys writing and maintaining this stuff
This bit was actually a reply to Craig :-) ... pretty sure he was
complaining.
- -Andy
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11:04 a.m.
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 09:23, Bryan Anderson wrote:
Andy Green wrote:
Again - I'll look it up - YUM says that the version I have 1.2.?
is up
to date, so I'll do a search for a FC1/RH package.
If you include the fedora.us repositories in your yum.conf, the testing
repository contains a gimp2 (the 1.3 packages are leading up to the 2.0
release) package that will install along side the standard gimp package.
1.3.21 is currently in there, and 1.3.23 will be entering QA later
today.
The testing repo also includes scribus-1.1.2.
While you're trying out graphics programs, also give blender a shot. It
will give you a quality 3d graphics package.
Phil
4:22 p.m.
Tanto tempo fa, in una galassia lontana lontana, Bryan Anderson scrisse:
Personally - I think that Linux needs:
[cut]
Kazaa/Soulseek clients
ever heard about eMule or Xmule ?
the latest i have tracked is: xmule-1.6.1.tar.bz2 (dunnow if in the
meanwhile someone did a FC rpm like MDK or SuSE one's)
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Tanto tempo fa, in una galassia lontana lontana, Bryan Anderson
scrisse:
>Personally - I think that Linux needs:
>
>[cut]
>Kazaa/Soulseek clients
ever heard about eMule or Xmule ?
the latest i have tracked is: xmule-1.6.1.tar.bz2 (dunnow if in the
meanwhile someone did a FC rpm like MDK or SuSE one's)
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4:14 a.m.
Thierry Sayegh wrote:
>ever heard about eMule or Xmule ?
>the latest i have tracked is: xmule-1.6.1.tar.bz2 (dunnow if in the
>meanwhile someone did a FC rpm like MDK or SuSE one's)
IIRC the author of xmule was taken down when some entity invoked the
DMCA, and he is currently in a lot of legal trouble. I read this off of
some blog somewhere so I don't know much about the accuracy of this nor
the current status.
IANAL, but I believe it would be a lot easier to make a clear case that
bittorrent is used primarily by our community for distributing
legitimate content like ISO images. It would be a lot less easy to show
that those other P2P clients are exist primarily for legitimate uses. I
recall hearing the phrase "intent matters" often on these lists, and I
believe that would apply in this case.
Warren
8:15 a.m.
Warren Togami wrote:
Thierry Sayegh wrote:
>> ever heard about eMule or Xmule ?
>> the latest i have tracked is: xmule-1.6.1.tar.bz2 (dunnow if in the
>> meanwhile someone did a FC rpm like MDK or SuSE one's)
IIRC the author of xmule was taken down when some entity invoked the
DMCA, and he is currently in a lot of legal trouble. I read this off of
some blog somewhere so I don't know much about the accuracy of this nor
the current status.
IANAL, but I believe it would be a lot easier to make a clear case that
bittorrent is used primarily by our community for distributing
legitimate content like ISO images. It would be a lot less easy to show
that those other P2P clients are exist primarily for legitimate uses. I
recall hearing the phrase "intent matters" often on these lists, and I
believe that would apply in this case.
Agreed. I first heard of BitTorrent for beta iso images of Mandrake.
IMHO, it's a p2p idea that can be shown it's good for the internet
community. It reduces the network traffic on central servers while
still providing content.
8:28 a.m.
--- Eric Feldhusen <efeldhusen(a)chartermi.net> wrote:
Warren Togami wrote:
> Thierry Sayegh wrote:
>>> ever heard about eMule or Xmule ?
>>> the latest i have tracked is:
xmule-1.6.1.tar.bz2 (dunnow if in the
>>> meanwhile someone did a FC rpm like MDK or SuSE
one's)
>
> IIRC the author of xmule was taken down when some
entity invoked the
> DMCA, and he is currently in a lot of legal
trouble. I read this off of
> some blog somewhere so I don't know much about the
accuracy of this nor
> the current status.
>
> IANAL, but I believe it would be a lot easier to
make a clear case that
> bittorrent is used primarily by our community for
distributing
> legitimate content like ISO images. It would be a
lot less easy to show
> that those other P2P clients are exist primarily
for legitimate uses. I
> recall hearing the phrase "intent matters" often
on these lists, and I
> believe that would apply in this case.
Agreed. I first heard of BitTorrent for beta iso
images of Mandrake.
IMHO, it's a p2p idea that can be shown it's good
for the internet
community. It reduces the network traffic on
central servers while
still providing content.
According to the XMule web site, as of 22-Nov they
were still working on it and have released v1.7.1 of
XMule.
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8:47 a.m.
New subject: TR/HackToolX.RK.1 and TR/Classloader.C viruses picked up by Virex
Powerful Trojans are going around that brought down my kernel 2.4.22
last night. I first noticed the system was very sluggish and I could
not longer use Nautilus. Then my email inbox stopped working. Then
cups. One virus is java related.
I quickly ran my Vexira --update and did a full scan.
/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/net-tools.mo
Date: 25.08.2003 Time: 11:15:24 Size: 40920
ALERT: [TR/HackToolX.RK.1 virus]
/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/net-tools.mo <<< The Trojan horse
TR/HackToolX.RK.1
/usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/net-tools.mo
Date: 25.08.2003 Time: 11:15:24 Size: 48498
ALERT: [TR/HackToolX.RK.1 virus]
/usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/net-tools. mo <<< The Trojan horse
TR/HackToolX.RK.1
\ /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/chrome/lang/lang-pt-BR.jar.txt \
/usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/chrome/lang/lang-zh-CN-unix.jar.txt
/home/fs/.java/deployment/cache/javapi/v1.0/jar/WebCounter.jar-53ebf3b-6321a0e0.
zip
Date: 30.11.2003 Time: 10:14:07 Size: 32905
ALERT: [TR/Classloader.C virus]
/home/fs/.java/deployment/cache/javapi/v1.0/jar
/WebCounter.jar-53ebf3b-6321a0e0.zip <<< The Trojan horse TR/Classloader.C
Vexira repaired none of these, just gave me alerts.
Sending this email after system clean load. All users should be on alert.
F.S.
9:41 a.m.
New subject: TR/HackToolX.RK.1 and TR/Classloader.C viruses picked up by Virex
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:47:07 -0500
fs <frank(a)insightcomputer.com> wrote:
Powerful Trojans are going around that brought down my kernel 2.4.22
last night. I first noticed the system was very sluggish and I could
not longer use Nautilus. Then my email inbox stopped working. Then
cups. One virus is java related.
Your problem quite likely didn't have anything to do with "powerful"
trojans at all.
/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/net-tools.mo
<<< The Trojan horse TR/HackToolX.RK.1
This is a language file that contains french translations for application
strings. It doesn't contain executable code so it's not a likely
candidate for an actual virus. More likely a false report from your
virus scanner.
ALERT: [TR/Classloader.C virus]
/home/fs/.java/deployment/cache/javapi/v1.0/jar
/WebCounter.jar-53ebf3b-6321a0e0.zip <<< The Trojan horse
TR/Classloader.C
The classloader virus apparently only affected java versions prior
to 1.2, so if you are running with a recent version you should
have been protected from it. All the google references i could find to
this virus are from 1998 and 1999.
Vexira repaired none of these, just gave me alerts.
Sending this email after system clean load.
Hmmm... my guess is that your virus software will still complain about the
language file and will again complain about the classloader issue if
you revisit the offending website. On the upside, rebuilding your system
probably fixed whatever the real problem was too!
Cheers,
Sean
10:14 a.m.
New subject: TR/HackToolX.RK.1 false alarm
Thanks for the info. Looks like a false alarm by Virex.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Estabrooks" <seanlkml(a)rogers.com>
To: <fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: TR/HackToolX.RK.1 and TR/Classloader.C viruses picked up by
Virex
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:47:07 -0500
fs <frank(a)insightcomputer.com> wrote:
> Powerful Trojans are going around that brought down my kernel 2.4.22
> last night. I first noticed the system was very sluggish and I could
> not longer use Nautilus. Then my email inbox stopped working. Then
> cups. One virus is java related.
Your problem quite likely didn't have anything to do with "powerful"
trojans at all.
> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/net-tools.mo
> <<< The Trojan horse TR/HackToolX.RK.1
This is a language file that contains french translations for application
strings. It doesn't contain executable code so it's not a likely
candidate for an actual virus. More likely a false report from your
virus scanner.
> ALERT: [TR/Classloader.C virus]
> /home/fs/.java/deployment/cache/javapi/v1.0/jar
> /WebCounter.jar-53ebf3b-6321a0e0.zip <<< The Trojan horse
> TR/Classloader.C
The classloader virus apparently only affected java versions prior
to 1.2, so if you are running with a recent version you should
have been protected from it. All the google references i could find to
this virus are from 1998 and 1999.
> Vexira repaired none of these, just gave me alerts.
>
> Sending this email after system clean load.
Hmmm... my guess is that your virus software will still complain about the
language file and will again complain about the classloader issue if
you revisit the offending website. On the upside, rebuilding your system
probably fixed whatever the real problem was too!
Cheers,
Sean
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12:45 p.m.
New subject: xmule (was Re: I think fedora needs...)
On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 09:28, pctech(a)mybellybutton.com wrote:
--- Eric Feldhusen <efeldhusen(a)chartermi.net> wrote:
> Warren Togami wrote:
> > Thierry Sayegh wrote:
> >>> ever heard about eMule or Xmule ?
> >>> the latest i have tracked is:
> xmule-1.6.1.tar.bz2 (dunnow if in the
According to the XMule web site, as of 22-Nov they
were still working on it and have released v1.7.1 of
XMule.
I am currently using xmule 1.7.0, but I'm looking forward
to 1.7.1 to correct some "buglets" aka "minor annoyances"
of the current version!
cheers,
Elton ;-)
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4:41 p.m.
New subject: xmule
On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 18:45, Elton Woo wrote:
<cut>but I'm looking forward
to 1.7.1 to correct some "buglets" aka "minor
annoyances"
of the current version!
<cut>
It is already available as a test package but it works great
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5:32 p.m.
New subject: xmule
On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 17:41, Thierry Sayegh wrote:
On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 18:45, Elton Woo wrote:
<cut>but I'm looking forward
> to 1.7.1 to correct some "buglets" aka "minor annoyances"
It is already available as a test package but it works great
Oh? Could you kindly point me to a rpm package, please?
TIA,
Elton ;-)
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1:34 a.m.
New subject: xmule
On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 23:32, Elton Woo wrote:
<cut>
> It is already available as a test package but it works great
Oh? Could you kindly point me to a rpm package, please?
FreshRPMs ;-)
xmule
ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/testing/1/xmule/
and wxGTK
ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/testing/1/wxGTK-gtk2/
Have fun!
Thierry
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12:03 p.m.
New subject: xmule
On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 02:34, Thierry Sayegh wrote:
FreshRPMs ;-)
xmule
ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/testing/1/xmule/
and wxGTK
ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/testing/1/wxGTK-gtk2/
Have fun!
Merci bien!
Elton ;-)
2:06 p.m.
New subject: xmule
On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 02:34, Thierry Sayegh wrote:
xmule
ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/testing/1/xmule/
and wxGTK
ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/testing/1/wxGTK-gtk2/
Just a word of
warning. I thought I needed the newer wxGTK libs
(wxGTK-2.4.2-2), but I finally got xmule 1.7.1 by replacing the *older*
wxGTK-2.4.1 libs.
Thanks again,
Elton ;-)
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4:41 p.m.
New subject: xmule (was Re: I think fedora needs...)
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:45:34 -0500, Elton Woo wrote:
> > >>> ever heard about eMule or Xmule ?
> > >>> the latest i have tracked is:
> > xmule-1.6.1.tar.bz2 (dunnow if in the
>
> According to the XMule web site, as of 22-Nov they
> were still working on it and have released v1.7.1 of
> XMule.
I am currently using xmule 1.7.0, but I'm looking forward
to 1.7.1 to correct some "buglets" aka "minor annoyances"
of the current version!
Hmm, if the amule message boards can be believed, the update from xmule
1.6.1 to 1.7.0 was a big joke. Almost none of the entries in the changelog
had been implemented actually.
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2:55 p.m.
Em Dom, 2003-12-14 às 20:22, koolinus escreveu:
ever heard about eMule or Xmule ?
the latest i have tracked is: xmule-1.6.1.tar.bz2 (dunnow if in the
meanwhile someone did a FC rpm like MDK or SuSE one's)
What's the difference between xmule and amule? both are available on my
apt list, share same configuration...
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4:07 p.m.
Alexandre Strube wrote:
What's the difference between xmule and amule? both are available
on my
apt list, share same configuration...
Both are very similar. But the guy behind xmule decided to drop it
(because of personal questions) and I dont know if someone is going to
keep developing it.
They are good , but if I copy all my current downloads from emule to any
of them , they segfault.. (maybe it's because I have 2000+ files on
queue right now...) . Under normal usage, they work perfectly.
Pedro Macedo
11:03 a.m.
On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 22:07, Pedro Fernandes Macedo wrote:
Both are very similar. But the guy behind xmule decided to drop it
(because of personal questions) and I dont know if someone is going to
keep developing it.
IIRC, those personal questions were being harassed by people who don't
like P2P.
Rui
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3:57 p.m.
Rui Miguel Seabra wrote:
IIRC, those personal questions were being harassed by people who
don't
like P2P.
Rui
Well, I dont know for sure , as I saw this info on the official page for
xmule... But I really hope he keeps working on xmule , coz it's a good
client (it didnt segfault when adding 2000+ downloads... but it still
failed to conect on various servers and got my ip blacklisted , while
emule connected without issues).
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