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On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 09:15:47PM +0200, Chadley Wilson wrote: I'd recommend a combination of Perl and the Template Toolkit. But then I'm a little biased. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perltt/ Dave... -- New .sigs Running in please parse

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:16:37 +0100 Adam Cooper <adam.cooper(a)port.ac.uk&gt; wrote: working my way through email that piled up while i was busy earlier this week... i agree, more-or-less, but i think this should be expanded upon, as there are a lot of issues. php is a flawed language in many regards, but you get used to it quickly and it's possible to write working code in a hurry. it shares some defects with most any of the traditional script/cgi style approaches, which is that it has poor scaling properties and it's incredibly easy to write large quantities of bad code without realizing it. perl along with pure jsp/asp solutions all can end up in this place -- unscalable, badly organized code. java can be done equally badly, but the tools exist in java (ejb, struts, servlets, etc) to facilitate very good, very scalable code. the downside is that java is a pain for small projects. prototyping something quickly in java is much, much harder than doing it in php. what i tend to do is prototype in php, but i code in a javaesque style, using php objects that are analogous to the objects i might use in java. i generally hide my database tables behind php objects, to provide a measure of abstraction and isolation. the goal is to produce 1) cleaner code and 2) a template that can be useful if you hit the scaling wall with php and need to go to a java version. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty(a)averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security