3:10 p.m.
I'm running F33 Mate, but I think I was also seeing the problem I'm
asking about under at least F32, and maybe also earlier.
Dragora has two icons that I can put on a panel. One of them is
supposed to be an updater. It works, afaict.
The other seems intended to do what it used to: permit me to
slice and dice lists of apps, and to install or remove them. On any new
install I used to use it heavily, eliminating apps I knew I'd never use,
and adding ones not present by default that I do use.
Both icons do only the check for updates. Have I damaged
something? Or is the exhaustive form deprecated?? If so, is there a
replacement?
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5:37 p.m.
On 29/11/2020 05:10, Beartooth wrote:
I'm running F33 Mate, but I think I was also seeing the
problem I'm
asking about under at least F32, and maybe also earlier.
Dragora has two icons that I can put on a panel. One of them is
supposed to be an updater. It works, afaict.
The other seems intended to do what it used to: permit me to
slice and dice lists of apps, and to install or remove them. On any new
install I used to use it heavily, eliminating apps I knew I'd never use,
and adding ones not present by default that I do use.
Both icons do only the check for updates. Have I damaged
something? Or is the exhaustive form deprecated?? If so, is there a
replacement?
The desktop files
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora.desktop
both define the same Icon
Icon=dnfdragora
Sounds like you have 2 copies of
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
on your panel.
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7:26 p.m.
On 29/11/2020 07:37, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 29/11/2020 05:10, Beartooth wrote:
> I'm running F33 Mate, but I think I was also seeing the problem I'm
> asking about under at least F32, and maybe also earlier.
>
> Dragora has two icons that I can put on a panel. One of them is
> supposed to be an updater. It works, afaict.
>
> The other seems intended to do what it used to: permit me to
> slice and dice lists of apps, and to install or remove them. On any new
> install I used to use it heavily, eliminating apps I knew I'd never use,
> and adding ones not present by default that I do use.
>
> Both icons do only the check for updates. Have I damaged
> something? Or is the exhaustive form deprecated?? If so, is there a
> replacement?
The desktop files
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora.desktop
both define the same Icon
Icon=dnfdragora
Sounds like you have 2 copies of
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
on your panel.
Oh, on further thought, I think I may have confused dnfdragora with the KDE's
plasma-discover.
When it comes to dnfdragora, doesn't the drop-down with the selection of "To
Update", "All", "installed",
"Not Installed" provide helpful information?
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12:58 a.m.
On 29/11/20 12:26 pm, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 29/11/2020 07:37, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 29/11/2020 05:10, Beartooth wrote:
>> I'm running F33 Mate, but I think I was also seeing the
>> problem I'm
>> asking about under at least F32, and maybe also earlier.
>>
>> Dragora has two icons that I can put on a panel. One of
>> them is
>> supposed to be an updater. It works, afaict.
>>
>> The other seems intended to do what it used to: permit me to
>> slice and dice lists of apps, and to install or remove them. On any new
>> install I used to use it heavily, eliminating apps I knew I'd never
>> use,
>> and adding ones not present by default that I do use.
>>
>> Both icons do only the check for updates. Have I damaged
>> something? Or is the exhaustive form deprecated?? If so, is there a
>> replacement?
>
> The desktop files
>
> /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
> /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora.desktop
>
> both define the same Icon
>
> Icon=dnfdragora
>
> Sounds like you have 2 copies of
> /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
>
> on your panel.
>
>
Oh, on further thought, I think I may have confused dnfdragora with
the KDE's plasma-discover.
When it comes to dnfdragora, doesn't the drop-down with the selection
of "To Update", "All", "installed",
"Not Installed" provide helpful information?
I have dnfdragora installed
and I only have one icon for it which in KDE
is under Administration, and that icon runs the application that allows
slicing and dicing packages, and allows putting on all or a selection of
updates from the display as a result of selecting "To Updates" from the
drop down menu. This is no different to what I had in previous versions
of Fedora. I don't have a kicker entry for dnfdragora-updates, and I
don't believe I had that in previous versions of Fedora either.
regards,
Steve
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1:06 a.m.
On 29/11/2020 14:58, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 29/11/20 12:26 pm, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 29/11/2020 07:37, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 29/11/2020 05:10, Beartooth wrote:
>>> I'm running F33 Mate, but I think I was also seeing the problem
I'm
>>> asking about under at least F32, and maybe also earlier.
>>>
>>> Dragora has two icons that I can put on a panel. One of them is
>>> supposed to be an updater. It works, afaict.
>>>
>>> The other seems intended to do what it used to: permit me to
>>> slice and dice lists of apps, and to install or remove them. On any new
>>> install I used to use it heavily, eliminating apps I knew I'd never use,
>>> and adding ones not present by default that I do use.
>>>
>>> Both icons do only the check for updates. Have I damaged
>>> something? Or is the exhaustive form deprecated?? If so, is there a
>>> replacement?
>>
>> The desktop files
>>
>> /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
>> /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora.desktop
>>
>> both define the same Icon
>>
>> Icon=dnfdragora
>>
>> Sounds like you have 2 copies of
>> /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
>>
>> on your panel.
>>
>>
>
> Oh, on further thought, I think I may have confused dnfdragora with the KDE's
plasma-discover.
>
> When it comes to dnfdragora, doesn't the drop-down with the selection of "To
Update", "All", "installed",
> "Not Installed" provide helpful information?
I have dnfdragora installed and I only have one icon for it which in KDE is under
Administration, and that icon runs the application that allows slicing and dicing
packages, and allows putting on all or a selection of updates from the display as a result
of selecting "To Updates" from the drop down menu. This is no different to what
I had in previous versions of Fedora. I don't have a kicker entry for
dnfdragora-updates, and I don't believe I had that in previous versions of Fedora
either.
I don't believe dnfdragora-updater is installed by default.
It installs a /etc/xdg/autostart/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop which will put an
item in
your panel and inform you when updates are available.
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11:40 a.m.
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 07:37:13 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 29/11/2020 05:10, I Beartooth wrote:
> I'm running F33 Mate, but I think I was also seeing the problem
> I'm
> asking about under at least F32, and maybe also earlier.
>
> Dragora has two icons that I can put on a panel. One of them is
> supposed to be an updater. It works, afaict.
[...]
The desktop files
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora.desktop
both define the same Icon
Icon=dnfdragora
Sounds like you have 2 copies of
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
on your panel.
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Well, I try hard ...
I did cd /usr/share/applications, and got
# ls|grep dnf
org.mageia.dnfdragora.desktop
org.mageia.dnfdragora-localinstall.desktop
org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
Is there some repo somewhere from which I can grep the standard
icons for those three?
Meanwhile, I got a surprise. I tried to construct the command,
not surprisingly getting several failures -- my CLI-foo is miniscule. But
then came this:
[root@localhost btth]# /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-
localinstall.desktop
-bash: /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-localinstall.desktop:
Permission denied
[root@localhost btth]#
I suppose I should be glad it failed; but WHO has power to give
or refuse permission to root??
I also went back (as user, not root) to the GUI of /usr/share/
applications, opened the file for the installer, and found a box saying
its command is dnfdragora-localinstall.desktop; I copied that, added a &,
and got a screenful of messages I don't understand.
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Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.
4:50 p.m.
On 30/11/2020 01:40, Beartooth wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 07:37:13 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 29/11/2020 05:10, I Beartooth wrote:
>> I'm running F33 Mate, but I think I was also seeing the problem
>> I'm
>> asking about under at least F32, and maybe also earlier.
>>
>> Dragora has two icons that I can put on a panel. One of them is
>> supposed to be an updater. It works, afaict.
[...]
> The desktop files
>
> /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
> /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora.desktop
>
> both define the same Icon
>
> Icon=dnfdragora
>
> Sounds like you have 2 copies of
> /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
>
> on your panel.
>
> ---
> The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions.
Well, I try hard ...
I did cd /usr/share/applications, and got
# ls|grep dnf
org.mageia.dnfdragora.desktop
org.mageia.dnfdragora-localinstall.desktop
org.mageia.dnfdragora-updater.desktop
Is there some repo somewhere from which I can grep the standard
icons for those three?
A few things. First, I may have inadvertently added some confusion. I'm not a
frequent MATE user.
You had said: "Dragora has two icons that I can put on a panel" I took that to
mean that you went to
"System-->Administration" and then right-clicked on either dnfdragora and/or
dnfdragora-updater
and selected either "Add this launcher to panel" or "Add this launcher to
desktop".
Doing both will result in the same icon appearing twice on the panel or desktop.
This is because the "launcher" or "desktop file" for both is define as
the same.
It is important to note that the *destop files are *not* shell scripts. And they have no
execute permissions.
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ ll
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-localinstall.desktop
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 5376 Sep 6 23:04
/usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-localinstall.desktop
Meanwhile, I got a surprise. I tried to construct the command,
not surprisingly getting several failures -- my CLI-foo is miniscule. But
then came this:
[root@localhost btth]# /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-
localinstall.desktop
-bash: /usr/share/applications/org.mageia.dnfdragora-localinstall.desktop:
Permission denied
[root@localhost btth]#
I suppose I should be glad it failed; but WHO has power to give
or refuse permission to root??
That is explained above.
I also went back (as user, not root) to the GUI of /usr/share/
applications, opened the file for the installer, and found a box saying
its command is dnfdragora-localinstall.desktop; I copied that, added a &,
and got a screenful of messages I don't understand.
Again, dnfdragora-localinstall.desktop is not a command. It is a file with information as
to what
to execute when the Icon on the panel or desktop is clicked (or double-clicked").
The more important question as this point is the one I asked in a later post.
When it comes to dnfdragora, doesn't the drop-down with the selection of "To Update", "All",
"installed", "Not Installed" provide the needed functionality? That
is, you can list what packages
aren't installed and you can select from there which one to install.
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12:44 p.m.
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 06:50:32 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
The more important question as this point is the one I asked in a
later
post.
When it comes to dnfdragora, doesn't the drop-
down with the selection of "To Update", "All",
"installed", "Not Installed" provide the needed functionality? That
is,
you can list what packages aren't installed and you can select from
there which one to install.
My bad. There is no drop-down. The whole display is greyed out,
except for the colored line at the bottom showing its progress; and when
that finishes, the only thing not greyed out is "quit".
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2:15 p.m.
On 01/12/2020 02:44, Beartooth wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 06:50:32 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> The more important question as this point is the one I asked in a later
> post.
> When it comes to dnfdragora, doesn't the drop-
> down with the selection of "To Update", "All",
> "installed", "Not Installed" provide the needed functionality?
That is,
> you can list what packages aren't installed and you can select from
> there which one to install.
My bad. There is no drop-down. The whole display is greyed out,
except for the colored line at the bottom showing its progress; and when
that finishes, the only thing not greyed out is "quit".
You will see that greyed out condition if dnfdragora is started with the --update-only
parameter.
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12:04 p.m.
On Tue, 01 Dec 2020 04:15:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> My bad. There is no drop-down. The whole display is greyed out,
> except for the colored line at the bottom showing its progress; and
> when that finishes, the only thing not greyed out is "quit".
You will see that greyed out condition if dnfdragora is started with the
--update-only parameter.
So how do I get it to launch without that? Can it be done with
the GUI??
2:09 p.m.
F33 Mate with dnfdragora-updater removed (rpm -e dnfdragora-updater) because I found it
annoying. I have a launcher for dnfdragora in my panel; right-click on the panel then Add
to Panel->Application Launcher->Administration->dnfdragora. I click on the panel
icon, and, using the default Gtk interface, dnfdragora graciously takes up the whole
screen and refuses to let me reduce its window beyond a still-too-large size. But it does
work.
7:17 p.m.
Steven,
Check out this bug report for the full screen and a possible work around.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1895120
Feel free to add your self to it as you like.
~~R
On 12/3/20 12:09 PM, Steven Usdansky via users wrote:
F33 Mate with dnfdragora-updater removed (rpm -e dnfdragora-updater)
because I found it annoying. I have a launcher for dnfdragora in my panel; right-click on
the panel then Add to Panel->Application Launcher->Administration->dnfdragora. I
click on the panel icon, and, using the default Gtk interface, dnfdragora graciously takes
up the whole screen and refuses to let me reduce its window beyond a still-too-large size.
But it does work.
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6:38 a.m.
Richard,
I've been using that work-around for two months 🤠
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1888934
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