--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Nermin Celik n.celik00@gmail.com wrote:
I installed Fedora 12 x86-64 onto Hp Z800 workstation, had a problem with software updates so used
$su -c 'yum update',
problem was fixed. Installed Adobe Acrobat Reader. Downloaded few other programs but did not install them. Then, the screen froze. Tried Ctrl-Alt-Del to restart, didn't work, so reset the machine from the power button. Then someting very interesting happened - machine went into a loop mode, started, failed to boot fedora, shutdown, restarted by itself, failed to boot fedora, shutdown...etc about six times. Then I just shut the machine off. Before fedora could be loaded, the pc just shutdown in each case. At start tried pressing F10 but didn't work.
Has anyone else experinced a similar problem?
No. Never had anything like that happen, and I've been using Fedora as my primary OS since Core 3.
How did you "install" Acrobat Reader? Did you use yum and the Adobe repo? How did you download the other programs that you didn't install? Yum? Or did you download the rpm's directly from a non-repo site?
Really, since you just installed 12, save yourself a lot of time: Do a clean reinstall of 12 overwriting everything. At the first boot, before updating, disable selinux, then in the terminal of your choice: enter
'su -'
give the root password, and do your 'yum update'. After completing, set up the other repos that you want, and install your other apps. The following link will help a lot:
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/
B
On 29 March 2010 17:44, Patrick Bartek bartek047@yahoo.com wrote:
... At the first boot, before updating, disable selinux, then in the terminal ...
Any particular reason for disabling selinux? In my experience so far selinux hasn't been as intrusive as it used to be for the last year or so.
+1 on this.
B
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 March 2010 17:44, Patrick Bartek bartek047@yahoo.com wrote:
... At the first boot, before updating, disable
selinux, then in the terminal ...
Any particular reason for disabling selinux? In my experience so far selinux hasn't been as intrusive as it used to be for the last year or so.
It has always caused problems on my system. Particularly so, with my initial install of Fedora 12: Update wouldn't work until I disabled it. Even the "Permissive" setting caused problems.
Since my system is a stand-alone one behind two firewalls, not locally networked to any others, doesn't run any public accessable servers, etc., and I'm the only user, I don't really need selinux. I would like to uninstall it. It just takes up space on the hard drive and consumes RAM, but it is a dependency for most everything. So, it's set to load disabled.
B
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 21:39 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
Since my system is a stand-alone one behind two firewalls, not locally networked to any others, doesn't run any public accessable servers, etc., and I'm the only user, I don't really need selinux.
And you don't use email, webpages, or otherwise cross that firewall?
Not all problems are due to some outsider making an incoming connection.
--- On Tue, 3/30/10, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 21:39 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
Since my system is a stand-alone one behind two
firewalls, not locally
networked to any others, doesn't run any public
accessable servers,
etc., and I'm the only user, I don't really need
selinux.
And you don't use email, webpages, or otherwise cross that firewall?
Not all problems are due to some outsider making an incoming connection.
Sure, I do. Every day. But in 10 years of using various versions of Linux--the last 5 with FC3, 4, 5, 6, F9 & now 12 as my primary OS--and 20+ years total of personal computing--none Windows based, I've never been infected, hacked, etc. And all of that is without selinux security just a firewall or two, hardware router securely set up, access permissions strictly set, never staying logged on any site any longer than is necessary, common sense at 100%, and never leaving root running all the time in a terminal for convenience like a few career admins I know.
Now, I'm not saying that selinux is bad or shouldn't be used by those who need it, and, most importantly, know how to administer it. I'm just saying that in my case, selinux over the years has been more a problem than a benefit.
B
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 14:34 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
--- On Tue, 3/30/10, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 21:39 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
Since my system is a stand-alone one behind two
firewalls, not locally
networked to any others, doesn't run any public
accessable servers,
etc., and I'm the only user, I don't really need
selinux.
And you don't use email, webpages, or otherwise cross that firewall?
Not all problems are due to some outsider making an incoming connection.
Sure, I do. Every day. But in 10 years of using various versions of Linux--the last 5 with FC3, 4, 5, 6, F9 & now 12 as my primary OS--and 20+ years total of personal computing--none Windows based, I've never been infected, hacked, etc. And all of that is without selinux security just a firewall or two, hardware router securely set up, access permissions strictly set, never staying logged on any site any longer than is necessary, common sense at 100%, and never leaving root running all the time in a terminal for convenience like a few career admins I know.
Now, I'm not saying that selinux is bad or shouldn't be used by those who need it, and, most importantly, know how to administer it. I'm just saying that in my case, selinux over the years has been more a problem than a benefit.
---- I think the community is trying to tell you that if you don't have sufficient skills in troubleshooting SELinux issues, the better concept is to not offer advice as opposed to suggesting that someone turn it off because you turn it off.
It's just another layer of security and if you have decided not to use it on systems you manage, that's your prerogative but a rather poor model for imitation.
Craig
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 17:08 -0700, Craig White wrote:
I think the community is trying to tell you that if you don't have sufficient skills in troubleshooting SELinux issues, the better concept is to not offer advice as opposed to suggesting that someone turn it off because you turn it off.
Yes. It's there as one of those protections for the situations that you haven't thought of, yet.
You see similar advice on Windows forums about not really needing anti-virus software, etc. Yeah, sure, if you're really "with it," you can do that. But the average user is not, and shouldn't be given that sort of advice.
Hmm, hey, what does this button do???
On 03/30/2010 12:39 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, suvayu alifatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 March 2010 17:44, Patrick Bartekbartek047@yahoo.com wrote:
... At the first boot, before updating, disable
selinux, then in the terminal ...
Any particular reason for disabling selinux? In my experience so far selinux hasn't been as intrusive as it used to be for the last year or so.
It has always caused problems on my system. Particularly so, with my initial install of Fedora 12: Update wouldn't work until I disabled it. Even the "Permissive" setting caused problems.
Since my system is a stand-alone one behind two firewalls, not locally networked to any others, doesn't run any public accessable servers, etc., and I'm the only user, I don't really need selinux. I would like to uninstall it. It just takes up space on the hard drive and consumes RAM, but it is a dependency for most everything. So, it's set to load disabled.
B
That is fine, but please do not recommend others disable it.
Daniel J Walsh dwalsh@redhat.com writes:
On 03/30/2010 12:39 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, suvayu alifatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 March 2010 17:44, Patrick Bartekbartek047@yahoo.com wrote:
... At the first boot, before updating, disable
selinux, then in the terminal ...
Any particular reason for disabling selinux? In my experience so far selinux hasn't been as intrusive as it used to be for the last year or so.
It has always caused problems on my system. Particularly so, with my initial install of Fedora 12: Update wouldn't work until I disabled it. Even the "Permissive" setting caused problems.
Since my system is a stand-alone one behind two firewalls, not locally networked to any others, doesn't run any public accessable servers, etc., and I'm the only user, I don't really need selinux. I would like to uninstall it. It just takes up space on the hard drive and consumes RAM, but it is a dependency for most everything. So, it's set to load disabled.
B
That is fine, but please do not recommend others disable it.
I'd like to second that. Thanks to Dan, the Fedora-12 selinux setup now works well enough that I see now reason for me to turn it off any more. In previous installations I'd leave it on for as long as I could stand it, which on servers was only around 3 or 4 days. The list of denials was just too long to deal with and they just kept on creeping out of the woodwork. No more.
As for the adobe flash induced crash, what files did you install from adobe? Was it just /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so and /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so or were there other files?
-wolfgang
As for the adobe flash induced crash, what files did you install from adobe? Was it just /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/
plugins/libflashplayer.so and /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so or were there other files?
I downloaded an rpm file from Adobe Reader's website, and the rpm manager took care of the rest, so l don't know the exact names of files installed - l'm a newbie :)
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht < wolfgang.rupprecht@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel J Walsh dwalsh@redhat.com writes:
On 03/30/2010 12:39 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, suvayu ali<fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.comfatkasuvayu%2Blinux@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 29 March 2010 17:44, Patrick Bartekbartek047@yahoo.com wrote:
... At the first boot, before updating, disable
selinux, then in the terminal ...
Any particular reason for disabling selinux? In my experience so far selinux hasn't been as intrusive as it used to be for the last year or so.
It has always caused problems on my system. Particularly so, with my
initial install of Fedora 12: Update wouldn't work until I disabled it. Even the "Permissive" setting caused problems.
Since my system is a stand-alone one behind two firewalls, not locally
networked to any others, doesn't run any public accessable servers, etc., and I'm the only user, I don't really need selinux. I would like to uninstall it. It just takes up space on the hard drive and consumes RAM, but it is a dependency for most everything. So, it's set to load disabled.
B
That is fine, but please do not recommend others disable it.
I'd like to second that. Thanks to Dan, the Fedora-12 selinux setup now works well enough that I see now reason for me to turn it off any more. In previous installations I'd leave it on for as long as I could stand it, which on servers was only around 3 or 4 days. The list of denials was just too long to deal with and they just kept on creeping out of the woodwork. No more.
As for the adobe flash induced crash, what files did you install from adobe? Was it just /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so and /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so or were there other files?
-wolfgang
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How did you "install" Acrobat Reader? Did you use yum and the Adobe repo?
I used the rpm manager.
How did you download the other programs that you didn't install? Yum? Or
did you download the rpm's directly from a non-repo site? Downloaded them from a non-repo site.
Thank you for the link:)
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Patrick Bartek bartek047@yahoo.comwrote:
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Nermin Celik n.celik00@gmail.com wrote:
I installed Fedora 12 x86-64 onto Hp Z800 workstation, had a problem with software updates so used
$su -c 'yum update',
problem was fixed. Installed Adobe Acrobat Reader. Downloaded few other programs but did not install them. Then, the screen froze. Tried Ctrl-Alt-Del to restart, didn't work, so reset the machine from the power button. Then someting very interesting happened - machine went into a loop mode, started, failed to boot fedora, shutdown, restarted by itself, failed to boot fedora, shutdown...etc about six times. Then I just shut the machine off. Before fedora could be loaded, the pc just shutdown in each case. At start tried pressing F10 but didn't work.
Has anyone else experinced a similar problem?
No. Never had anything like that happen, and I've been using Fedora as my primary OS since Core 3.
How did you "install" Acrobat Reader? Did you use yum and the Adobe repo?
How did you download the other programs that you didn't install? Yum? Or
did you download the rpm's directly from a non-repo site?
Really, since you just installed 12, save yourself a lot of time: Do a clean reinstall of 12 overwriting everything. At the first boot, before updating, disable selinux, then in the terminal of your choice: enter
'su -'
give the root password, and do your 'yum update'. After completing, set up the other repos that you want, and install your other apps. The following link will help a lot:
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/
B
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