Hi All,
Fedroa 29, x64 Xfce 4.13
Is there an X11 (not Xfce's settings) setting out there somewhere for how the mouse behaves?
Many thanks, -T
On 4/20/19 8:07 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Is there an X11 (not Xfce's settings) setting out there somewhere for how the mouse behaves?
I suppose it would be helpful to those wishing to assist if you indicated what you're having problems with and what you'd like to achieve.
Can folks assume you've done a google search on "Xorg mouse settings" or something similar?
the command line xinput and xset commands claim to change point settings.
My playing with it in gnome does not seem to change anything, but I know they used to work, so it may work if you don't have something like gnome or xfce running.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 7:28 PM Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 4/20/19 8:07 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Is there an X11 (not Xfce's settings) setting out there somewhere for how the mouse behaves?
I suppose it would be helpful to those wishing to assist if you indicated what you're having problems with and what you'd like to achieve.
Can folks assume you've done a google search on "Xorg mouse settings" or something similar?
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On 4/20/19 8:50 AM, Roger Heflin wrote:
the command line xinput and xset commands claim to change point settings.
My playing with it in gnome does not seem to change anything, but I know they used to work, so it may work if you don't have something like gnome or xfce running.
I'm pretty sure those have been superseded by "libinput" especially when using Gnome and Wayland.
From the man page...
DESCRIPTION libinput is a library to handle input devices and provides device detec‐ tion and input device event processing for most Wayland compositors and the X.Org xf86-input-libinput driver.
xinput seems to be interfacing with libinput and is reporting there are devices and the devices have properties.
It it is not clear though which properties work and don't work in it
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 7:58 PM Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 4/20/19 8:50 AM, Roger Heflin wrote:
the command line xinput and xset commands claim to change point settings.
My playing with it in gnome does not seem to change anything, but I know they used to work, so it may work if you don't have something like gnome or xfce running.
I'm pretty sure those have been superseded by "libinput" especially when using Gnome and Wayland.
From the man page...
DESCRIPTION libinput is a library to handle input devices and provides device detec‐ tion and input device event processing for most Wayland compositors and the X.Org xf86-input-libinput driver.
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 20:08:51 -0500 Roger Heflin wrote:
xinput seems to be interfacing with libinput and is reporting there are devices and the devices have properties.
It it is not clear though which properties work and don't work in it
And unless they have improved it since it first showed up, wayland has far more limited ability to tweak mouse settings than good old x11.
It definitely works:
xinput --list-props 11 Device 'Kensington Kensington USB/PS2 Orbit': Device Enabled (182): 1 Coordinate Transformation Matrix (184): 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000 libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled (316): 0 libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled Default (317): 0 libinput Scroll Methods Available (318): 0, 0, 1 libinput Scroll Method Enabled (319): 0, 0, 0 libinput Scroll Method Enabled Default (320): 0, 0, 0 libinput Button Scrolling Button (321): 3 libinput Button Scrolling Button Default (322): 3 libinput Accel Speed (323): 1.000000 libinput Accel Speed Default (324): 0.000000 libinput Accel Profiles Available (325): 1, 1 libinput Accel Profile Enabled (326): 1, 0 libinput Accel Profile Enabled Default (327): 1, 0 libinput Left Handed Enabled (328): 0 libinput Left Handed Enabled Default (329): 0 libinput Send Events Modes Available (301): 1, 0 libinput Send Events Mode Enabled (302): 0, 0 libinput Send Events Mode Enabled Default (303): 0, 0 Device Node (304): "/dev/input/event5" Device Product ID (305): 1149, 4130 libinput Drag Lock Buttons (330): <no items> libinput Horizontal Scroll Enabled (331): 1
Then running this: xinput set-float-prop 11 323 0.01
makes the acceleration go way down. My acceleration max is 1.0 and I know I have gnome set as high as I could get it.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 8:08 PM Roger Heflin rogerheflin@gmail.com wrote:
xinput seems to be interfacing with libinput and is reporting there are devices and the devices have properties.
It it is not clear though which properties work and don't work in it
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 7:58 PM Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 4/20/19 8:50 AM, Roger Heflin wrote:
the command line xinput and xset commands claim to change point settings.
My playing with it in gnome does not seem to change anything, but I know they used to work, so it may work if you don't have something like gnome or xfce running.
I'm pretty sure those have been superseded by "libinput" especially when using Gnome and Wayland.
From the man page...
DESCRIPTION libinput is a library to handle input devices and provides device detec‐ tion and input device event processing for most Wayland compositors and the X.Org xf86-input-libinput driver.
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On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:
It definitely works:
xinput --list-props 11 Device 'Kensington Kensington USB/PS2 Orbit': Device Enabled (182): 1[tony@rn6 ~] Coordinate Transformation Matrix (184): 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000 libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled (316): 0 libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled Default (317): 0 libinput Scroll Methods Available (318): 0, 0, 1 libinput Scroll Method Enabled (319): 0, 0, 0 libinput Scroll Method Enabled Default (320): 0, 0, 0 libinput Button Scrolling Button (321): 3 libinput Button Scrolling Button Default (322): 3 libinput Accel Speed (323): 1.000000 libinput Accel Speed Default (324): 0.000000 libinput Accel Profiles Available (325): 1, 1 libinput Accel Profile Enabled (326): 1, 0 libinput Accel Profile Enabled Default (327): 1, 0 libinput Left Handed Enabled (328): 0 libinput Left Handed Enabled Default (329): 0 libinput Send Events Modes Available (301): 1, 0 libinput Send Events Mode Enabled (302): 0, 0 libinput Send Events Mode Enabled Default (303): 0, 0 Device Node (304): "/dev/input/event5" Device Product ID (305): 1149, 4130 libinput Drag Lock Buttons (330): <no items> libinput Horizontal Scroll Enabled (331): 1
Then running this: xinput set-float-prop 11 323 0.01
makes the acceleration go way down. My acceleration max is 1.0 and I know I have gnome set as high as I could get it.
Hi Roger,
Thank you!
You have created a monster!
$ MouseAccel.pl6 Input error Usage: MouseAccel.pl6 Speed[0.00 to 1.00] Exiting. Bummer Dude!
$ MouseAccel.pl6 2 AccelSpeed = <2> Input error Usage: MouseAccel.pl6 Speed[0.00 to 1.00] Exiting. Bummer Dude!
$ MouseAccel.pl6 0.5 AccelSpeed = <0.5> MouseID = <15> AccelID = <296> xinput --set-prop 15 296 0.5 Logitech USB Optical Mouse acceleration speed set to 0.5
$ MouseAccel.pl6 0.01 AccelSpeed = <0.01> MouseID = <15> AccelID = <296> xinput --set-prop 15 296 0.01 Logitech USB Optical Mouse acceleration speed set to 0.01
Anyone want my code, ping me.
-T
On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:
It definitely works:
How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?
right under my nose:
$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 1.000000
That isn't the "default" that you're asking about.
You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?
On 4/19/19 11:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:
It definitely works:
How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?
right under my nose:
$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 1.000000
That isn't the "default" that you're asking about.
You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?
Yes.
The above was just a round about way of getting it
On 4/19/19 11:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:
It definitely works:
How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?
right under my nose:
$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 1.000000
That isn't the "default" that you're asking about.
You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?
Now this is interesting. After a reboot, acceleration is off:
$ xinput --list --short | grep -i logit ⎜ ↳ Logitech USB Optical Mouse id=15 [slave pointer (2)]
$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 0.000000
All day yesterday with it on, I had no issues scrolling windows instead of lines
On 4/20/19 1:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:
It definitely works:
How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?
right under my nose:
$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 1.000000
That isn't the "default" that you're asking about.
You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?
Now this is interesting. After a reboot, acceleration is off:
$ xinput --list --short | grep -i logit ⎜ ↳ Logitech USB Optical Mouse id=15 [slave pointer (2)]
$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 0.000000
All day yesterday with it on, I had no issues scrolling windows instead of lines
More interesting. Xfce's mouse dialog show acceleration is on:
screenshot: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=8432
On 20Apr2019 14:04, ToddAndMargo ToddAndMargo@zoho.com wrote:
On 4/20/19 1:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?
right under my nose: $ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 1.000000
That isn't the "default" that you're asking about. You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?
Now this is interesting. After a reboot, acceleration is off: $ xinput --list --short | grep -i logit ⎜ ↳ Logitech USB Optical Mouse id=15 [slave pointer (2)]
$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 0.000000
All day yesterday with it on, I had no issues scrolling windows instead of lines
More interesting. Xfce's mouse dialog show acceleration is on:
screenshot: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=8432
Just wondering whether this dialogue is a direct query of the mouse state or some kind of proxy via Xfce's settings i.e. if you change the seting outside Xfce does the dialogue notice? (Either immediately or on dialogue close/reopen?)
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
On 4/21/19 4:15 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 20Apr2019 14:04, ToddAndMargo ToddAndMargo@zoho.com wrote:
On 4/20/19 1:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?
right under my nose: $ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 1.000000
That isn't the "default" that you're asking about. You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?
Now this is interesting. After a reboot, acceleration is off: $ xinput --list --short | grep -i logit ⎜ ↳ Logitech USB Optical Mouse id=15 [slave pointer (2)]
$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}' 0.000000
All day yesterday with it on, I had no issues scrolling windows instead of lines
More interesting. Xfce's mouse dialog show acceleration is on:
screenshot: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=8432
Just wondering whether this dialogue is a direct query of the mouse state or some kind of proxy via Xfce's settings i.e. if you change the seting outside Xfce does the dialogue notice? (Either immediately or on dialogue close/reopen?)
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
This may be the issue. The screen shot shows an acceleration of 2.5 and xinput says it is zero. Xfce may be misreading xinput
On 21Apr2019 18:50, ToddAndMargo ToddAndMargo@zoho.com wrote:
More interesting. Xfce's mouse dialog show acceleration is on: screenshot: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=8432
Just wondering whether this dialogue is a direct query of the mouse state or some kind of proxy via Xfce's settings i.e. if you change the seting outside Xfce does the dialogue notice? (Either immediately or on dialogue close/reopen?)
This may be the issue. The screen shot shows an acceleration of 2.5 and xinput says it is zero. Xfce may be misreading xinput
Can xinput acceleration be <0? To "descale" the mouse? What if Xfce is showing an arbitrary scale with xinput's "0" being the middle of the scale. Your screenshot has the scale suspiciously bang in the middle.
What's "xset q" report?
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
On 4/21/19 8:41 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 21Apr2019 18:50, ToddAndMargo ToddAndMargo@zoho.com wrote:
More interesting. Xfce's mouse dialog show acceleration is on: screenshot: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=8432
Just wondering whether this dialogue is a direct query of the mouse state or some kind of proxy via Xfce's settings i.e. if you change the seting outside Xfce does the dialogue notice? (Either immediately or on dialogue close/reopen?)
This may be the issue. The screen shot shows an acceleration of 2.5 and xinput says it is zero. Xfce may be misreading xinput
Can xinput acceleration be <0? To "descale" the mouse? What if Xfce is showing an arbitrary scale with xinput's "0" being the middle of the scale. Your screenshot has the scale suspiciously bang in the middle.
What's "xset q" report?
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
Fresh reboot:
$ xset q Keyboard Control: auto repeat: on key click percent: 0 LED mask: 00000002 XKB indicators: 00: Caps Lock: off 01: Num Lock: on 02: Scroll Lock: off 03: Compose: off 04: Kana: off 05: Sleep: off 06: Suspend: off 07: Mute: off 08: Misc: off 09: Mail: off 10: Charging: off 11: Shift Lock: off 12: Group 2: off 13: Mouse Keys: off auto repeat delay: 500 repeat rate: 30 auto repeating keys: 00ffffffdffffbbf fadfffefffedffff 9fffffffffffffff fff7ffffffffffff bell percent: 50 bell pitch: 400 bell duration: 100 Pointer Control: acceleration: 2/1 threshold: 4 Screen Saver: prefer blanking: yes allow exposures: yes timeout: 0 cycle: 0 Colors: default colormap: 0x20 BlackPixel: 0x0 WhitePixel: 0xffffff Font Path: catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d,built-ins DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 7200 Suspend: 7200 Off: 14400 DPMS is Disabled
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After setting it to .75
$ MouseAccel.pl6 .75 AccelSpeed = <.75> MouseID = <15> AccelID = <296> PreviousAccelSpeed = <0.000000> xinput --set-prop 15 296 .75 Logitech USB Optical Mouse acceleration speed set to .75
$ xset q | grep accel acceleration: 2/1 threshold: 4
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Setting it back to zero:
$ MouseAccel.pl6 0 AccelSpeed = <0> MouseID = <15> AccelID = <296> PreviousAccelSpeed = <0.001000> xinput --set-prop 15 296 0 Logitech USB Optical Mouse acceleration speed set to 0
$ xset q | grep accel acceleration: 2/1 threshold: 4
On 21Apr2019 20:49, ToddAndMargo ToddAndMargo@zoho.com wrote:
On 4/21/19 8:41 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
This may be the issue. The screen shot shows an acceleration of 2.5 and xinput says it is zero. Xfce may be misreading xinput
Can xinput acceleration be <0? To "descale" the mouse? What if Xfce is showing an arbitrary scale with xinput's "0" being the middle of the scale. Your screenshot has the scale suspiciously bang in the middle.
What's "xset q" report?
Fresh reboot:
$ xset q
[...]
Pointer Control: acceleration: 2/1 threshold: 4
[...]
After setting it to .75
$ MouseAccel.pl6 .75 AccelSpeed = <.75> MouseID = <15> AccelID = <296> PreviousAccelSpeed = <0.000000> xinput --set-prop 15 296 .75 Logitech USB Optical Mouse acceleration speed set to .75
$ xset q | grep accel acceleration: 2/1 threshold: 4
Setting it back to zero: $ MouseAccel.pl6 0 AccelSpeed = <0> MouseID = <15> AccelID = <296> PreviousAccelSpeed = <0.001000> xinput --set-prop 15 296 0 Logitech USB Optical Mouse acceleration speed set to 0 $ xset q | grep accel acceleration: 2/1 threshold: 4
Ok, so AccelSpeed isn't related the the xset pointer acceleration.
Does the Xfce dialogue track your changes done through xinput via MouseAccel.pl6 ?
And I guess: does the mouse behaviour change with changes in either place?
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
On 22Apr2019 00:35, ToddAndMargo ToddAndMargo@zoho.com wrote:
On 4/21/19 10:46 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
does the mouse behaviour change with changes in either place?
I am not sure what you are asking.
If you change the mouse acceleration with Xfce, with xinput or with xset, does it affect the behaviour which caused you to start this thread?
Also, if you change the acceleration with xinput or xset, odes the Xfce dialogue notice the change?
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
On 4/22/19 1:01 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
If you change the mouse acceleration with Xfce, with xinput or with xset, does it affect the behaviour which caused you to start this thread?
Also, if you change the acceleration with xinput or xset, odes the Xfce dialogue notice the change?
After xset, it seems to have gone away, even after rebooting.
Xfce's mouse dialog does not change no matter what I set xset to.
I never changed anything in Xfce's mouse dialog. I just looked.
On 4/22/19 12:35 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/21/19 10:46 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
does the mouse behaviour change with changes in either place?
I am not sure what you are asking.
I think the question is that while you are changing values in two different ways, does either one have any effect on the mouse behaviour?
On 4/22/19 1:02 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 4/22/19 12:35 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/21/19 10:46 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
does the mouse behaviour change with changes in either place?
I am not sure what you are asking.
I think the question is that while you are changing values in two different ways, does either one have any effect on the mouse behaviour?
Since messing with xset, I have not been able to reproduce the behavior, even after a fresh reboot.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 08:22:46PM -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
It definitely works:
xinput --list-props 11 Device 'Kensington Kensington USB/PS2 Orbit': Device Enabled (182): 1 Coordinate Transformation Matrix (184): 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000 libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled (316): 0 libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled Default (317): 0 libinput Scroll Methods Available (318): 0, 0, 1
Definitely. I use xinput in a script, "tp", to control the synaptic trackpad on several different laptops. As I use a wireless mouse with the computer, my .profile contains a "/home/bin/tp off" line to disable the trackpad.
Jon
On 4/19/19 5:27 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 4/20/19 8:07 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Is there an X11 (not Xfce's settings) setting out there somewhere for how the mouse behaves?
I suppose it would be helpful to those wishing to assist if you indicated what you're having problems with and what you'd like to achieve.
Can folks assume you've done a google search on "Xorg mouse settings" or something similar?
I have worked with Oliver Fourdan, the creator of Xfce.
mouse roller scrolls windows instead of lines: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12516
If you roll your roller too fast, Xfce thinks you are on Panel 0 and Xfce scrolls windows.
Oliver said it is an X issue: "it gets its events from the Xserver"
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