On 03/24/2017 02:00 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: You really should upgrade to F25, simply because F26 is around the corner and 6 months after that happens, support for F24 will end and you'll be forced to go to at least F25 anyway. You might as well get it over with now. :-) gnome-shell is a big part of the Gnome3 desktop. There are large numbers of anecdotal reports of it getting into weird states where it consumes all of the CPU and blocks other processes from getting resources. I don't know that there ever was a single cause of that behavior found. Killing gnome-shell will not necessarily free the machine up and make the GUI work as it is a significant component of the desktop and the real solution is to restart your desktop session somehow (perhaps by killing your session manager) or reboot. I rarely use Gnome3. Last time I spent time with it (granted, it was at least a year ago), it looked like it was designed for tablets and I don't care for that metaphor on my main systems. I've never gotten fond of KDE and I've never really done anything with the other desktops that others swear by. I'm an old f*rt and I liked the old Gnome2 desktop, so I use Xfce (which is fairly close to the way Gnome2 worked and felt). (putting on my flack jacket and helmet to await the inevitable onslaught of Gnome3 and KDE lovers hurling grenades and tactical nukes in my general direction) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks(a)alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Grabel's Law: 2 is not equal to 3--not even for large values of 2. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 11:43 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: Use top to find the process number of gnome-shell. kill -1 <pid of gnome-shell> That will restart it without killing anything actually running.

On 03/24/2017 10:28 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: Not from me, that's for sure. I bailed on Gnome when I learned what Gnome3 was going to be. I migrated to Xfce and never looked back.

On 03/24/2017 12:03 PM, Tim wrote: One thing I like about Xfce is that it lets you decide how to organize your desktop. I have one panel, on the bottom, and two rows of icons on the left, just as I did in Win98. I'm used to it, I'm comfortable with it and I see no reason to change just to because it's new and *shiny!*

Allegedly, on or about 24 March 2017, Rick Stevens sent: If what you're using works, stick with it. But if you're doing a lot of work to make XFCE behave like Gnome 2, then give MATE a try. It's virtually Gnome 2, to start off with. I tried XFCE a long time ago, didn't like it then, but it's probably changed. I had trouble with it and pulseaudio, it wasn't good at auto-mounting, I didn't like that dock that you couldn't get rid of, I disliked the lack of an organised/categorised top-of-screen menu, and the lack of windowing tab bar at the bottom. But, I think the biggest swaying factor for me using MATE, is that most of the programs that I use tend to be gnome, or gnome-centric. So it makes sense to avoid a mish-mash desktop. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Next time your service provider asks you to reboot your equipment, ask them to reboot theirs, first.