10:51 a.m.
When did Konqueror become enslaved to Google? Is there a way to
liberate it? Or at least to get it back to displaying man pages?
I don't use Google, except by way of Duckduckgo or other privacy-
providing intermediary. In fact, my main and almost only use of Konqueror
is for man pages, which fonts big enough for my ancient eyeballs format
unreadably elsewhere. (I run Mate, and if I could find a second string to
Brasero that I could count on, I could uninstall all of KDE.)
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11 a.m.
On Thu, 2019-05-30 at 15:51 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
When did Konqueror become enslaved to Google? Is there a way to
liberate it? Or at least to get it back to displaying man pages?
I don't use Google, except by way of Duckduckgo or other privacy-
providing intermediary. In fact, my main and almost only use of Konqueror
is for man pages, which fonts big enough for my ancient eyeballs format
unreadably elsewhere. (I run Mate, and if I could find a second string to
Brasero that I could count on, I could uninstall all of KDE.)
Maybe ask on the Fedora KDE list?
poc
2:06 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 5/30/19 8:51 AM, Beartooth wrote:
When did Konqueror become enslaved to Google? Is there a way to
liberate it? Or at least to get it back to displaying man pages?
Your underlying question seems to be how to view man pages nicely. Try
using yelp (the Gnome help browser). You can call it from the command line:
yelp man:crontab
yelp 'man:crontab(5)'
Or you start it (it's called "Help" in the graphical interface), press
CTRL-L, then enter "man:crontab" or "man:crontab(5)" in the box.
12:24 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On Thu, 30 May 2019 12:06:09 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
Your underlying question seems to be how to view man pages nicely.
Yes, very much so.
Try
using yelp (the Gnome help browser). You can call it from the command
line:
yelp man:crontab
yelp 'man:crontab(5)'
I did those, and they were glorious! You, SIR!, are a gentleman
and a scholar and a judge of fine software. I'm deeply in your debt.
Or you start it (it's called "Help" in the graphical
interface), press
CTRL-L, then enter "man:crontab" or "man:crontab(5)" in the box.
Here I hit a snag small. I tried it on a Mate terminal, and on a
workspace with no app running (unless panels are called apps), but
neither was right, and I didn't know what graphical interface you meant.
Then I thought to go through the whole main menu -- and found help under
System that I had never noticed was there. Again I'm deep in your debt.
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1 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On Thu, 2019-05-30 at 12:06 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
yelp man:crontab
yelp 'man:crontab(5)'
Am I the only one to think it's ironic that 'yelp' itself doesn't have
a man page? Nor does it have any built-in help on how to use it. How is
one supposed to know about these options?
poc
1:52 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 5/31/19 11:00 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2019-05-30 at 12:06 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> yelp man:crontab
> yelp 'man:crontab(5)'
Am I the only one to think it's ironic that 'yelp' itself doesn't have
a man page? Nor does it have any built-in help on how to use it. How is
one supposed to know about these options?
I was definitely thinking the same thing. There's not even any way to
know about using CTRL-L to modify the viewed page. I just tried it
because it's a fairly standard shortcut.
10:12 p.m.
Allegedly, on or about 30 May 2019, Beartooth sent:
I run Mate, and if I could find a second string to Brasero that I
could count on, I could uninstall all of KDE.
I run Mate, have no KDE installation, I can burn discs. You need to
say what it is that you need burning software to do.
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11:56 a.m.
On Fri, 31 May 2019 12:42:27 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 30 May 2019, Beartooth sent:
> I run Mate, and if I could find a second string to Brasero that I could
> count on, I could uninstall all of KDE.
I run Mate, have no KDE installation, I can burn discs. You need to say
what it is that you need burning software to do.
All I know is that when I try either Brasero or K3B and get some
sort of failure, I just pull up the other, and it does the job.
I burn media either to back up data a/o software, or to add those
things onto another machine (I used to use ssh and scp with a router
running dd-wrt; but a lightning strike fried my router, and I'm not
competent to install dd-wrt on the new one.), or to give away live media,
or to install an OS on a machine that doesn't have it.
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1:05 p.m.
On Fri, 2019-05-31 at 16:56 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2019 12:42:27 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 30 May 2019, Beartooth sent:
> > I run Mate, and if I could find a second string to Brasero that I could
> > count on, I could uninstall all of KDE.
>
> I run Mate, have no KDE installation, I can burn discs. You need to say
> what it is that you need burning software to do.
All I know is that when I try either Brasero or K3B and get some
sort of failure, I just pull up the other, and it does the job.
I burn media either to back up data a/o software, or to add those
things onto another machine (I used to use ssh and scp with a router
running dd-wrt; but a lightning strike fried my router, and I'm not
competent to install dd-wrt on the new one.), or to give away live media,
or to install an OS on a machine that doesn't have it.
All these things can also be done with a USB thumbdrive, which is
generally easier to create and faster to use.
poc
2:02 a.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 5/31/19 8:05 PM, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2019-05-31 at 19:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> All these things can also be done with a USB thumbdrive, which is
> generally easier to create and faster to use.
Well, not all. I wouldn't use one for back-ups.
Why not? They are multiple times faster and have a lot more space. If
you're concerned about reliability, make multiple backups. Over time it
will be much cheaper as well.
(And more environmentally friendly.) ;-)
5:25 a.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On Sat, 2019-06-01 at 00:02 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/31/19 8:05 PM, Tim via users wrote:
> On Fri, 2019-05-31 at 19:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > All these things can also be done with a USB thumbdrive, which is
> > generally easier to create and faster to use.
>
> Well, not all. I wouldn't use one for back-ups.
Why not? They are multiple times faster and have a lot more space. If
you're concerned about reliability, make multiple backups. Over time it
will be much cheaper as well.
(And more environmentally friendly.) ;-)
Although I wouldn't personally use thumbdrives for backup, mainly
because of having to keep track of them, an external 1TB drive costs
under $50 and a 2TB under $65. That's equivalent to several hundred
DVDs in capacity and orders of magnitude faster in speed. Plus it's
read/write capable and can be used for incremental backups without a
lot of faffing around.
poc
12:26 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 6/1/19 3:25 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-06-01 at 00:02 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 5/31/19 8:05 PM, Tim via users wrote:
>> On Fri, 2019-05-31 at 19:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> All these things can also be done with a USB thumbdrive, which is
>>> generally easier to create and faster to use.
>>
>> Well, not all. I wouldn't use one for back-ups.
>
> Why not? They are multiple times faster and have a lot more space. If
> you're concerned about reliability, make multiple backups. Over time it
> will be much cheaper as well.
> (And more environmentally friendly.) ;-)
Although I wouldn't personally use thumbdrives for backup, mainly
because of having to keep track of them, an external 1TB drive costs
under $50 and a 2TB under $65. That's equivalent to several hundred
DVDs in capacity and orders of magnitude faster in speed. Plus it's
read/write capable and can be used for incremental backups without a
lot of faffing around.
Ok, I thought you were agreeing with using DVDs for backup. I agree
that for large volumes an external hard drive is definitely the best.
Also network storage for backups that don't need to go off-site.
10:13 p.m.
On Fri, 2019-05-31 at 16:56 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
All I know is that when I try either Brasero or K3B and get
some sort of failure, I just pull up the other, and it does the job.
There's also XFburn, that doesn't require KDE.
You could burn data discs straight from the Nautilus file browser
(probably with a plug-in), but I haven't tried that since several
releases back.
I've usually found that weird burning issues were often due to crappy
blank discs. With poor quality control, the next disc in the stack
wasn't quite as bad as the prior, and you don't nail the issue down to
the right problem. Or simply, that when the drive has another go at
focussing on the disc, it succeeds.
I've found that if, when you insert a blank, the drive spends ages
whizzing around trying to figure out the disc, that indicates its a bad
one. Good discs whiz up virtually instantly.
These days I only use Verbatim discs. There's usually only been 2 or 3
brands to try at my shops, they've been very good, just about all
others have been dire.
It can also be a compatibility issue with your drive and the discs.
The discs could be good, but your drive may be bad, or simply doesn't
like that brand. And drives do wear out, or simply age badly even
without lots of use.
10:31 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 6/1/19 12:56 AM, Beartooth wrote:
All I know is that when I try either Brasero or K3B and get some
sort of failure, I just pull up the other, and it does the job.
I don't know about brasero but with k3b you may have run into
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1583845
A workaround is included in the BZ
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9:04 a.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 19-05-30 11:51:53, Beartooth wrote:
... In fact, my main and almost only use of Konqueror
is for man pages, which fonts big enough for my ancient eyeballs
format
unreadably elsewhere. (I run Mate, ...
I set the DPI in the Appearance Settings Fonts tab to a higher number.
Increase it until everything is readable. I run XFCE, but Gnome before
it also had this, and so does Mate, but hidden in the Details.
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1:35 p.m.
On Fri, 31 May 2019 15:34:02 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
Beartooth wrote:
> When did Konqueror become enslaved to Google?
What's your definition of "enslaved to google" in this context?
> Or at least to get it back to displaying man pages?
man:/
URL seems to work for me on fedora 30.
First, I apologize for writing while dead tired and angry. I had
been unable to search any other way than with google; I have since found
the cause, to the extent I can =hope= it's not googling; but I am not
sanguine.
Second, man:/ brings me a sackload of stuff not from the man
pages -- and again, that sackload seems to be covered all over with
googleness, which disimproves my digestion.
I install every browser that Fedora supports, plus such others as
seem to be safe from dependency hell (currently Opera and Vivaldi); I
can't think of any other that seems determined to deliver me up to one
search engine, let alone the one I try hardest to avoid.
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2:20 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 6/2/19 2:35 AM, Beartooth wrote:
Second, man:/ brings me a sackload of stuff not from the man
pages -- and again, that sackload seems to be covered all over with
googleness, which disimproves my digestion.
Ahah!!!
I see your problem.
In konqueror there ar 2, count them 2, boxes you can enter at the top of the screen.
The right one is a "search engine" box.
The left one is the URL box.
You are typing in the right most box!
Move to the left!
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11:12 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 6/2/19 3:20 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 6/2/19 2:35 AM, Beartooth wrote:
> Second, man:/ brings me a sackload of stuff not from the man
> pages -- and again, that sackload seems to be covered all over with
> googleness, which disimproves my digestion.
Ahah!!!
I see your problem.
In konqueror there ar 2, count them 2, boxes you can enter at the top of the screen.
The right one is a "search engine" box.
The left one is the URL box.
You are typing in the right most box!
Move to the left!
I foolishly tried to include an image file in one of my responses.
Anyway.... Here is what it should look like both good and bad
BAD - https://drive.google.com/file/d/15-zvw7aLG-23BbVD0PfM8rOBm38BfQLb/view?us...
GOOD - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jtfOXKcSpDU8bGbDVOvh_hR1jK4M7knY/view?us...
OK, I get a lot of Chinese since, well, I'm in Taiwan.
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1:24 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On Sun, 02 Jun 2019 12:12:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
I foolishly tried to include an image file in one of my responses.
Anyway.... Here is what it should look like both good and bad
BAD -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15-zvw7aLG-23BbVD0PfM8rOBm38BfQLb/view?
usp=sharing
usp=sharing
OK, I get a lot of Chinese since, well, I'm in Taiwan.
The good one certainly looks a lot better -- but doesn't do
anything if I click on one of the entries. Is that expected behavior, or
have I done something wrong?
2:54 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 6/3/19 2:24 AM, Beartooth wrote:
The good one certainly looks a lot better -- but doesn't do
anything if I click on one of the entries. Is that expected behavior, or
have I done something wrong?
Are you saying you clicked on the Image File I posted? If you did, of course nothing
will
happen.
Or, are you saying you brought up konqueror on your system, typed "man:/" in the
left box,
got the same list and then clicked on "Section 1" and didn't get a new page
with "Index
for Section 1: User Commands" and a list of commands.
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2:18 a.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On 6/3/19 2:24 AM, Beartooth wrote:
The good one certainly looks a lot better
Here is a video of my desktop showing the way you should see it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19Bgjg3ICBwVGDIGJAK62oRrHIaefm9pa/view?us...
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10:16 a.m.
New subject: Konqueror :-{
On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 15:18:21 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 6/3/19 2:24 AM, Beartooth wrote:
> The good one certainly looks a lot better
Here is a video of my desktop showing the way you should see it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19Bgjg3ICBwVGDIGJAK62oRrHIaefm9pa/view?
usp=sharing
OK, many thanks! I think I must have been mindlessly clicking on
a still image of a real link.
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